Trade Thread Part Deux

[CelticsLV]

Zach Lowe speculates in his most recent podcast that he thinks the Pelicans will look into sell trades soon. Also noted that the Pelicans quickly went to Zion at center which makes Favors future with the team curious.

Still think I want a Hayward+picks for Favors/Redick

that's about as smart as Joe Johnson for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers to win 5 more wins and make the playoffs in a year where we had no chance at a championship.

Same thing.

Does Hayward and picks for Favors/Redick put us in the finals with a chance? No.

Does it clear up space to make a big move next year to do the same? No.

Does it give us better assets for trades in the future? No, and big No.

I'm all for any trade that improves any of those 3 things, or at least doesn't hurt any of those things. Like if we trade some assets for the Lazer, and then retain him, it could be a move that moves us closer to a championship. This trade does none of the above.

Celtics can't even afford to keep Hayward after next season when Tatum's max contract kicks in. Even next season, if Hayward picks up his option, will be very tight in terms of tax situation. Would need to say bye bye to Kanter and Theis to stay under.

The fact is, Celtics can't afford to keep all 4 of Walker, Brown, Tatum, Hayward.

Not that Ainge will trade Hayward. I don't think there's any market for him if we want actual value back. If you can trade Hayward for some good, less costly player you do it.

[SLCceltic]

You dont call if ‘the only way Hayward gets dealt is if he demands a trade’

If you ever want another FA to sign here GH WILL NOT BE TRADED!!!!

GH is very well likes league-wide and chose to leave his first NBA home for Boston and his former coach. He gets hurt in a most heinous manner and then while on the mend, and with no clear and definitive evidence that he will not return to pre-injury form, BOSTON TRADES HIM!!!

Do you ever want another FA to pick Boston ??? GHs move to Boston was like a fairy tale reunion, and if Boston gives someone like that the boot it will give ANYONE the boot!! Signaling the end of FAgency!

I don't understand how you are unable to see this

that crap is overrated. THe lakers did everything wrong and everyone signed there or forced a trade. We traded IT after playing with his injury and sisters death for Kyrie. Kemba signed here. AD used the IT thing to force a trade to the Lakers, nobody in the league really cared about that. As nobody would care if we traded Hayward to any team not in China.

They come for the city (lakers/heat), to play in home town (kyrie) or to play with best friends (kd) or because the organization is top notch and likely to keep winning (boston, etc). Nobody cares about trading a guy 3 years after signing him when he has an opt out in the summer.

Totally disagree. AD used the IT trade to sling some mud in efforts to get his way but ITs situation is very different. Thomas' condition was/is congenital and everyone knew it. Right now you have an 80-85% (and still progressing) Hayward. GH to Boston is different because of Stevens. Trading Hayward now would kill FAs signing here.

If its ALL about organizations why was Horford the first decent FA to sign here. James posey is probably the next biggest prior FA and he signed to play w Boston 3

Trading Hayward would be a FA death sentence

[SLCceltic]

Zach Lowe speculates in his most recent podcast that he thinks the Pelicans will look into sell trades soon. Also noted that the Pelicans quickly went to Zion at center which makes Favors future with the team curious.

Still think I want a Hayward+picks for Favors/Redick

that's about as smart as Joe Johnson for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers to win 5 more wins and make the playoffs in a year where we had no chance at a championship.

Same thing.

Does Hayward and picks for Favors/Redick put us in the finals with a chance? No.

Does it clear up space to make a big move next year to do the same? No.

Does it give us better assets for trades in the future? No, and big No.

I'm all for any trade that improves any of those 3 things, or at least doesn't hurt any of those things. Like if we trade some assets for the Lazer, and then retain him, it could be a move that moves us closer to a championship. This trade does none of the above.

Celtics can't even afford to keep Hayward after next season when Tatum's max contract kicks in. Even next season, if Hayward picks up his option, will be very tight in terms of tax situation. Would need to say bye bye to Kanter and Theis to stay under.

The fact is, Celtics can't afford to keep all 4 of Walker, Brown, Tatum, Hayward.

Not that Ainge will trade Hayward. I don't think there's any market for him if we want actual value back.

This is when our loyalty toward GH will pay off and he signs a very cap-friendly deal...

Works both ways. Trading him now is not the way to go!

[Curmudgeon]

Well, Cauley-Stein was worth a second round pick. I guess that clarifies what Ainge thinks of him.

[Celts17Pride]

Well, Cauley-Stein was worth a second round pick. I guess that clarifies what Ainge thinks of him.

Ainge is right. WCS sucks

[SLCceltic]

Tells me DA has something pretty good cooking. He is going to make a deal or 2 by the 6th

[Andrew McCeltic]

How much salary leapfrog would we have to do to turn like, Poirier/Wanamaker into an expiring to trade for Favors? I’d give up two 1sts if he promises to re-up - but don’t want to trade Kanter or Theis..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Well, Cauley-Stein was worth a second round pick. I guess that clarifies what Ainge thinks of him.

Ainge is right. WCS sucks

No need for him with Rob Williams..

I’m old enough to remember when this board *loved* Cauley-Stein and his potential as a quick defensive big.. maybe if he hadn’t been stuck in Sacramento..

[Andrew McCeltic]

It’s also possible Hayward *wants* a larger offensive role and would rather have it on a different team, or wants to be on an unequivocal contender - Miami? - and not a still-developing one..

[CelticFaninLBC]

It's possible Hayward wants to opt out at the end of the season and go to the highest bidder. Boston may not want to pay him 3 & 90.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I just love this team’s vibes.. but if you did something like Kanter for Bertans, and then Hayward out, Favors and more in - that’s probably a better balanced team with a higher ceiling for Brown and Tatum

[100proof]

The problem with WCS is he is taller than 6foot8.

Door in the practive facility are only 6foot8 inches tall.

[Curmudgeon]

The problem with WCS is that he's a putz.

[31to6]

If you ever want another FA to sign here GH WILL NOT BE TRADED!!!!

GH is very well likes league-wide and chose to leave his first NBA home for Boston and his former coach. He gets hurt in a most heinous manner and then while on the mend, and with no clear and definitive evidence that he will not return to pre-injury form, BOSTON TRADES HIM!!!

Do you ever want another FA to pick Boston ??? GHs move to Boston was like a fairy tale reunion, and if Boston gives someone like that the boot it will give ANYONE the boot!! Signaling the end of FAgency!

I don't understand how you are unable to see this

that crap is overrated. THe lakers did everything wrong and everyone signed there or forced a trade. We traded IT after playing with his injury and sisters death for Kyrie. Kemba signed here. AD used the IT thing to force a trade to the Lakers, nobody in the league really cared about that. As nobody would care if we traded Hayward to any team not in China.

They come for the city (lakers/heat), to play in home town (kyrie) or to play with best friends (kd) or because the organization is top notch and likely to keep winning (boston, etc). Nobody cares about trading a guy 3 years after signing him when he has an opt out in the summer.

Totally disagree. AD used the IT trade to sling some mud in efforts to get his way but ITs situation is very different. Thomas' condition was/is congenital and everyone knew it. Right now you have an 80-85% (and still progressing) Hayward. GH to Boston is different because of Stevens. Trading Hayward now would kill FAs signing here.

If its ALL about organizations why was Horford the first decent FA to sign here. James posey is probably the next biggest prior FA and he signed to play w Boston 3

Trading Hayward would be a FA death sentence

Darth is 100% correct — no one cares about this stuff. LAC signed Blake to a max deal after having a fake jersey retirement ceremony for him and traded him within like 7 months. 18 months later Kawhi and PG manipulate their way there.

And 5 months after AD was crying to the media about how BOsCon treated IT (so that he could force his way to LAL) Kemba signed in the dotted line to take his old spot.

Emotionally appealing for certain fans, I guess, but might as well believe that the reason we’re not playing Romeo Langford is so that other teams won’t ask for him in trades:)

[SLCceltic]

that crap is overrated. THe lakers did everything wrong and everyone signed there or forced a trade. We traded IT after playing with his injury and sisters death for Kyrie. Kemba signed here. AD used the IT thing to force a trade to the Lakers, nobody in the league really cared about that. As nobody would care if we traded Hayward to any team not in China.

They come for the city (lakers/heat), to play in home town (kyrie) or to play with best friends (kd) or because the organization is top notch and likely to keep winning (boston, etc). Nobody cares about trading a guy 3 years after signing him when he has an opt out in the summer.

Totally disagree. AD used the IT trade to sling some mud in efforts to get his way but ITs situation is very different. Thomas' condition was/is congenital and everyone knew it. Right now you have an 80-85% (and still progressing) Hayward. GH to Boston is different because of Stevens. Trading Hayward now would kill FAs signing here.

If its ALL about organizations why was Horford the first decent FA to sign here. James posey is probably the next biggest prior FA and he signed to play w Boston 3

Trading Hayward would be a FA death sentence

Darth is 100% correct — no one cares about this stuff. LAC signed Blake to a max deal after having a fake jersey retirement ceremony for him and traded him within like 7 months. 18 months later Kawhi and PG manipulate their way there.

And 5 months after AD was crying to the media about how BOsCon treated IT (so that he could force his way to LAL) Kemba signed in the dotted line to take his old spot.

Emotionally appealing for certain fans, I guess, but might as well believe that the reason we’re not playing Romeo Langford is so that other teams won’t ask for him in trades:)

Again, completely different sets of surrounding circumstances. Blake clocked a trainer and that relationship quickly turned toxic all around. Everybody knew this and also knew blake would likely be moved 7mo old extension notwithstanding.

Kawaii and PG wanted LA all the way!
When was the last time you saw a player force his way to Massachusetts??
Never.

ADs camp looked stupid trying to sully our rep with regard to IT

GH moved his family here, wants to be here, hasn't decked anyone, nor does he have any physical limitation tied to a birth defect! GH didn't necessarily want Boston as much as he wanted Stevens. Don't you think moving Hayward now would cause problems with our Head Coach??

WAY too messy. Winter Boston not in high demand ...we need all the help we can get signing FAs

Not really sure what you are saying w regard to Langford???

[Fencer reregistered]

The problem with WCS is he is taller than 6foot8.

Door in the practive facility are only 6foot8 inches tall.

Not literally true. But when Tacko literally got a concussion bumping a ceiling in the practice facility, I did think "The architect had ONE job ..."

[ParticleMan]

I don't really want to trade Hayward but FA perception has absolutely nothing to do with that. That's all ESPN melodrama bull ****. In the end FA's go for money and a chance to win. On the flip side FO's make trades when they think it will improve the team, and Ainge is as heartless as they come. It's a business at the end of the day, for both sides.

[zoyathedestroya]

Derrick Rose's tag price probably keeps going up and up every game. 11 straight games with at least 20 points now. 4th in FG% (behind Doncic, Giannis, DeRozan) among guys with at least 10 drives per game. Scoring 1.22 PPP on isos (95.1 percentile), just behind Hayward.

[steefP2]

I hope after last night's game people realize that trading for Aaron Gordon is not worth it.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

I hope after last night's game people realize that trading for Aaron Gordon is not worth it.

I hope it made people realize Hayward is worth more than the various role players everyone seems to want to trade him for.