Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

[Godson21]

RIP KING. Gone way too soon.

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[TimRobbins]

you and I have no idea what happened or who made the call so I won’t get into a back and forth. None of us know. You don’t know if he said the conditions are bad and Kobe said let’s give it a go anyways. You have absolutely no idea and unfortunately none of Us will ever know.


The pilot obviously made some mistakes and the word is “vilify” has nothing to do with being a villain but means to speak disparagingly about someone. Now with new information given that Kobe and the pilot may have been close It’s probably more than likely that they both had discussions about whether to fly that day or not. I also don’t think Kobe would allow a pilot he didn’t have great confidence in to fly his children and family in.

I'm not going to argue semantics (even though you're wrong). The point is that the Helicopter crashed on a mountain. That's pilot error regardless of how you spin it. Does it make the pilot a "bad guy"? no. Is he responsible for the crash? yes.

[Pharmcat]

The decisions the pilot had to make happened quickly. They are split second or decisions that need to be made very much in the fly. I’m not gonna get to much into the back and forth but it’s very easy to villainy the pilot now but in real time those real life decisions when they impact people’s lives are much harder and have to be much quicker than what an eye witness account lays out.

I don't think anybody believes the pilot is a "villain". I'm pretty sure he didn't fly into a mountain by purpose, but I'm also sure he made several errors which caused this terrible tragedy. This one is on the pilot. The pilot made the call to fly despite the whether conditions and the pilot made the mistakes which led him to crash against a mountain.

you and I have no idea what happened or who made the call so I won’t get into a back and forth. None of us know. You don’t know if he said the conditions are bad and Kobe said let’s give it a go anyways. You have absolutely no idea and unfortunately none of Us will ever know.


The pilot obviously made some mistakes and the word is “vilify” has nothing to do with being a villain but means to speak disparagingly about someone. Now with new information given that Kobe and the pilot may have been close It’s probably more than likely that they both had discussions about whether to fly that day or not. I also don’t think Kobe would allow a pilot he didn’t have great confidence in to fly his children and family in.

It doesn't matter what the passenger says it's up to the pilot to fly or not. If lapd wasn't flying their chopper neither should he. I do blame pilot error (fog and he forgot to consider their may be hills to the right and left of him (not just straight ahead)) but will be happy to correct post if ruled mechanical.

[MagicBagley18]

you and I have no idea what happened or who made the call so I won’t get into a back and forth. None of us know. You don’t know if he said the conditions are bad and Kobe said let’s give it a go anyways. You have absolutely no idea and unfortunately none of Us will ever know.


The pilot obviously made some mistakes and the word is “vilify” has nothing to do with being a villain but means to speak disparagingly about someone. Now with new information given that Kobe and the pilot may have been close It’s probably more than likely that they both had discussions about whether to fly that day or not. I also don’t think Kobe would allow a pilot he didn’t have great confidence in to fly his children and family in.

I'm not going to argue semantics (even though you're wrong). The point is that the Helicopter crashed on a mountain. That's pilot error regardless of how you spin it. Does it make the pilot a "bad guy"? no. Is he responsible for the crash? yes.

Again you have no idea what was discussed amongst Kobe and the pilot whom he trusted or what happened in regard to decision making up there. Leave it at that

[basketballRob]

Only three league MVP's since it's inception in 1956 have died. Wilt, Moses, and now Kobe.

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[YouMustBeJoakim]

I don’t know if it’s appropriate timing for this topic. But I’m thinking about Nike and their business ties with his shoe line. Obviously, Kobe had royalties for all the sales including all the upcoming Protro releases. Is it possible that Vanessa and her family have compensation/annuities for these future sales? I know that many companies have survivor annuities in the case of a spouse’s death.

I’m seeing a lot of Nike advertisements for his shoes popping up unexpectedly (along with an absurd markup in price for his shoes on StockX), and it’s leaving a sour taste in my mouth.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

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News organizations should protect their journalists, not acquiesce to the mob when it comes for them.

The Washington Post not only failed Felicia Sonmez, but set a dangerous precedent.

Nope. That **** isn't journalism. It's clickbait and akin to whoring out for attention. The lowest of the low scum engage in it. People are tired of it. All this woke, ultra SJW, PC and leftist crap..
It's a time for mourning, and not their crap.

[Kilroy]

The fact you said that to begin with, and that you're back to defend it says everything about you that needs to be said.

Have some class.

Not sure why the statement needs "defense" and not sure what this has to do with "class". It's just an observation. Unlike his basketball career, Kobe put his life in the hands of a pilot that he (probably) knew nothing about his flying skills. It ended up killing him.

Not sure what offends you about this observation, but I guess when you're looking be offended, you can take offense at anything and everything.

It was Kobe's private pilot. People said Kobe refused to fly with anyone but him.

This was one of his previous pilots. Stands to reason he's had a few over the years...

And I mean, dude made mistake... I make countless mistakes a day. Almost none of them have any effect on anyone else's life.
But his did. It killed him and unfortunately everyone with him.
But it was a mistake. Why he made that particular mistake, at that particular time, with those particular people on board... That's up to God.

[The Laker Kid]

It's 3:30 PM here at work and it's very quiet. I'm wearing a Purple shirt. I have coworkers who are Clipper fan and one's a Warrior fan and both are wearing Laker colors to show support. We fist bumped this morning but didn't say a word the entire day. Normally this is a trash talking day between us but today is a day of solidarity and mourning.

[Vladimir777]

Only three league MVP's since it's inception in 1956 have died. Wilt, Moses, and now Kobe.

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That's a crazy fact. The fact that the Bobs Pettit and Cousy, and Bill Russell, outlived Kobe Bryant is insane, and very tragic.

[Wilber85]

you and I have no idea what happened or who made the call so I won’t get into a back and forth. None of us know. You don’t know if he said the conditions are bad and Kobe said let’s give it a go anyways. You have absolutely no idea and unfortunately none of Us will ever know.


The pilot obviously made some mistakes and the word is “vilify” has nothing to do with being a villain but means to speak disparagingly about someone. Now with new information given that Kobe and the pilot may have been close It’s probably more than likely that they both had discussions about whether to fly that day or not. I also don’t think Kobe would allow a pilot he didn’t have great confidence in to fly his children and family in.

I'm not going to argue semantics (even though you're wrong). The point is that the Helicopter crashed on a mountain. That's pilot error regardless of how you spin it. Does it make the pilot a "bad guy"? no. Is he responsible for the crash? yes.

How many pilots do we have on here that have flown the same type of helicopter?

Don't point any fingers, but you can always question why they didn't just land in burbank, and take a car from there. There is a lot of why's but it happened. It is horrible, hurts, and a lot of people are devastated with this tragedy.

[Kilroy]

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News organizations should protect their journalists, not acquiesce to the mob when it comes for them.

The Washington Post not only failed Felicia Sonmez, but set a dangerous precedent.

Nope. That **** isn't journalism. It's clickbait and akin to whoring out for attention. The lowest of the low scum engage in it. People are tired of it. All this woke, ultra SJW, PC and leftist crap..
It's a time for mourning, and not their crap.

I mean, not everyone has to feel anything about Kobe's passing, or his daughter's...
But even if you don't, you ought to at least have respect for the others who do.

Make your points at a later date.

And don't hide your selfishness and ambition behind a lie about Journalistic Integrity.

The media is almost over-protected in this modern era, by the Constitution and a Supreme Court, who has been very liberal in it's interpretation of the 1st Amendment as it pertains to the Press... Especially in an era where "the Press" is anyone with a cell phone and TMZ's hotline number.

[Roy The Natural]

So why did the police ground it's helicopter fleet?

In any case, every version of the story comes down to pilot error. Tragic and fatal.

Different area and the fog was dissipating pretty much everywhere except that spot for some reason explained that I don't remember. The pilot made a judgement call in real time that works out 9/10 times. I personally don't blame him.

9/10 is not good enough... I wouldn't take a trip in which I would die 1/10 times. There is no way you don't blame the pilot on this one. It was on him.

We don't even totally know why they crashed. Have there been any reports of exactly what caused the crash? You're sitting here blaming the pilot, but has mechanical failure even been fully ruled out yet?

I'm honestly not 100% certain that the fog alone is enough to worry about causing this crash. A modern helicopter of that quality has autopilot functions and a myriad of instrumentation that should feed back enough information to avoid becoming so disoriented that you crash.

A lot of time heavy fog conditions ground flight do to the possibilities of mid-air collisions rather than pilot disorientation.

[NPZ]

Only three league MVP's since it's inception in 1956 have died. Wilt, Moses, and now Kobe.

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That's a crazy fact. The fact that the Bobs Pettit and Cousy, and Bill Russell, outlived Kobe Bryant is insane, and very tragic.

Yeah. Oscar, Willis Reed, and Unseld as well still alive. I remember when Wilt died in 1999 at only 63. That was a big loss due to relative youth. It was hard to believe that big Wilt could die was a sentiment bandied about in the media/press. Nothing even comes close to this since Petrovic/Lewis.

[Roy The Natural]

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News organizations should protect their journalists, not acquiesce to the mob when it comes for them.

The Washington Post not only failed Felicia Sonmez, but set a dangerous precedent.

Nope. That **** isn't journalism. It's clickbait and akin to whoring out for attention. The lowest of the low scum engage in it. People are tired of it. All this woke, ultra SJW, PC and leftist crap..
It's a time for mourning, and not their crap.

I mean, not everyone has to feel anything about Kobe's passing, or his daughter's...
But even if you don't, you ought to at least have respect for the others who do.

Make your points at a later date.

And don't hide your selfishness and ambition behind a lie about Journalistic Integrity.

The media is almost over-protected in this modern era, by the Constitution and a Supreme Court, who has been very liberal in it's interpretation of the 1st Amendment as it pertains to the Press... Especially in an era where "the Press" is anyone with a cell phone and TMZ's hotline number.

It's not even about that. Honestly she has every right to say whatever she wants. But The Washington Post only has an obligation to defend her in my opinion if she goes through the proper journalistic channels and puts her opinion in a form that The Washington Post approves.

[zshawn10]

Shaq's opening comments on his podcast:

“We’re worried about you, want to make sure to we check in and you’re doing well”

Shaq: “I’m not doing well. I’m sick. I’m just getting over the death of my sister... I haven’t been sleeping since Ayesha’s death.”

He follows up it with how he found out, with his son Greg showing him the TMZ headline

Shaq: “I yelled at Greg and said ‘Yo man, get that **** out my face. Get it out of my face”

https://www.podcastone.com/the-big-podcast-with-shaq

[kulaz3000]

The media is almost over-protected in this modern era, by the Constitution and a Supreme Court, who has been very liberal in it's interpretation of the 1st Amendment as it pertains to the Press... Especially in an era where "the Press" is anyone with a cell phone and TMZ's hotline number.

I actually think it's the opposite. Journalism is a thankless profession, and yet it's a profession which is so crucial in society which doesn't get the respect it deserves.

I don't think they are over-protected enough, where people in power constantly manipulates the media to spin the story to fit their agenda, it's the journalist who actually seek out the honest truth, who get racked through the coals by online trolls and the media because it doesn't align with their own spin.

Now, that goes without saying, there are the journalists and people in the media who seek the truth the right way, but like any other profession, there are those who take short cuts or are influenced or pushed into a certain direction, which just further muddles the truth.

[ratul]

I found talking about something else or distracting yourself helps. Alternatively you end up just thinking about it all the time

[alienswon]

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[Roy The Natural]

they did nothing wrong by suspending her

She was simply seeking attention and being a complete idiot during this time of sorrow.

So...like every major news network?

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I really wish we could stop posting this type of stuff in this thread. I shifts the conversation away from Kobe and onto the people who are making these statements.