Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized

[Kobblehead]

Ideally what you need next to Embiid is a wing that can draw attention from the defense, can create, is at least decent passer and an above average shooter. Someone in the vein of McGrady for example. And then add roleplayers that can shoot and play some defense. Simmons is too far away from this archetype and it makes things tricky when building the team. Now even if you get a guard that can create and score it is hard to find a role in the offense for both Embiid and Simmons, meaning a role that would satisfy them.

Brandon Ingram at #1 in 2016
Jayson Tatum at #1 in 2017
Shai Gilgous-Alexander at #10 in 2018

[kuclas]

Ideally what you need next to Embiid is a wing that can draw attention from the defense, can create, is at least decent passer and an above average shooter. Someone in the vein of McGrady for example. And then add roleplayers that can shoot and play some defense. Simmons is too far away from this archetype and it makes things tricky when building the team. Now even if you get a guard that can create and score it is hard to find a role in the offense for both Embiid and Simmons, meaning a role that would satisfy them.

Brandon Ingram at #1 in 2016
Jayson Tatum at #1 in 2017
Shai Gilgous-Alexander at #10 in 2018

We all know fultz was suppose to be that player.

28-29 teams would still have drafted him 1 overall.

[Negrodamus]

Ideally what you need next to Embiid is a wing that can draw attention from the defense, can create, is at least decent passer and an above average shooter. Someone in the vein of McGrady for example. And then add roleplayers that can shoot and play some defense. Simmons is too far away from this archetype and it makes things tricky when building the team. Now even if you get a guard that can create and score it is hard to find a role in the offense for both Embiid and Simmons, meaning a role that would satisfy them.

Brandon Ingram at #1 in 2016
Jayson Tatum at #1 in 2017
Shai Gilgous-Alexander at #10 in 2018

Donovan Mitchell at #3 in 2017
Terence Davis at #24 (or #20) in 2019

[Kobblehead]

We all know fultz was suppose to be that player.

28-29 teams would still have drafted him 1 overall.

Maybe so, but then you had an entire year to realize you got saddled with a bad apple and made a mistake. That 2018 draft was giftwrapped for us to still land that guy.

[phillynative]

Embiid is pretty much finished. When he went back to Toronto for the first time after leaving there crying after a game seven and scored zero points, that told me all I needed to know about him. He's done.

Hes done what? Playing in the NBA ? For the sixers? Basketball?

He's done being a player any team should build around and run its offense through.

Yes lets run it through a player that hasnt even got started being that type of player

[smittybanton]

I reiterate, Joel Embiid must aim to shoot at least 10 3pters a game. It will create space for others. It will make his defender play him closer. We have the offensive rebounders to make up for any lack of proficiency. He should still get 10 to 20 other shots per game. Every time he touches the paint he should get the ball, at the same time he should never camp out there. MOVEMENT!


I HATE Alaa Abdelnaby for criticizing Joel taking threes. Shaq and Barkley too. Abdelnaby was terrible. He did nothing with his physical gifts. He should be the last person giving advice to a big man. Moreover, he could not shoot at all, so of course he would always be in the paint. As for Shaq and Barkley, the NBA changed several rules because of each of them, such that post play is wildly inefficient because of the offensive foul calls and the double teams. Neither of them could shoot either. Joel's game is much more like Tim Duncan or Hakeem. Use your versatility to our advantage. Please dont be Dwight Howard and care more about dominating your man than helping the team win. Shoot the **** three!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Almost every team that uses analytics would love for him to take 10 threes a game, some of his worst games are high volume three games. He's not a good enough shooter to take that many per game.

I reiterate, Joel Embiid must aim to shoot at least 10 3pters a game. It will create space for others. It will make his defender play him closer. We have the offensive rebounders to make up for any lack of proficiency. He should still get 10 to 20 other shots per game. Every time he touches the paint he should get the ball, at the same time he should never camp out there. MOVEMENT!


I HATE Alaa Abdelnaby for criticizing Joel taking threes. Shaq and Barkley too. Abdelnaby was terrible. He did nothing with his physical gifts. He should be the last person giving advice to a big man. Moreover, he could not shoot at all, so of course he would always be in the paint. As for Shaq and Barkley, the NBA changed several rules because of each of them, such that post play is wildly inefficient because of the offensive foul calls and the double teams. Neither of them could shoot either. Joel's game is much more like Tim Duncan or Hakeem. Use your versatility to our advantage. Please dont be Dwight Howard and care more about dominating your man than helping the team win. Shoot the **** three!

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[Mik317]

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but I was told he didn't want to adjust for others....

[51X3RF4N]

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but I was told he didn't want to adjust for others....

He doesn't. Lol. In his ideal world he is dominating in the paint. He has said as much in the past. Every time he talks about being at the 3pt line to create space for others, he uses the word "sacrifice". Clearly, he would prefer to be closer to the basket and not getting triple teamed while his teammates can't knock down catch and shoot 3s.

Clearly, he would like his PG to take pull up jump shots rather than drive into traffic.

Clearly, he would like his PF and SF to not BOTH float into the paint or try to post up endlessly throughout games.

Clearly, he is correct that standing at the 3pt line is a sacrifice to his overall dominance.

He's doing it because he feels he HAS to in order to try to win games, not because he wants to so others feel more comfortable.

These quotes are so painfully obvious that Joel doesn't see himself fitting with Al and Ben.

[CROklahoma]

Could you guys actually imagine your GM trading Embiid tommorow for a overhaul larger than PG one lets say, something like 2 unprotected first rounders, 2 protected, and 2 young players ...

Would you be willing to build around Simmons, Thybulle, Harris ...

[ProcessDoctor]

Could you guys actually imagine your GM trading Embiid tommorow for a overhaul larger than PG one lets say, something like 2 unprotected first rounders, 2 protected, and 2 young players ...

Would you be willing to build around Simmons, Thybulle, Harris ...

We’d need a star in return for Jo. I think that’ll be the direction we take this summer, but not tomorrow.

We need to bring in a coach with a vision for what he/she wants around Ben.

[CROklahoma]

I don't think that ever happens, he is more untouchable than KAT for Minny. I don't even know how this fantasy started ...

What I do believe should happen, CP3 and Gallo to Philly ...

CP3
Richardson
Simmons
Harris
Embiid

Closing with Gallo instead of JRich.

Instant ECF candidate ...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Could you guys actually imagine your GM trading Embiid tommorow for a overhaul larger than PG one lets say, something like 2 unprotected first rounders, 2 protected, and 2 young players ...

Would you be willing to build around Simmons, Thybulle, Harris ...

The problem is you need a very specific center to play with Simmons, someone who is a rim protector and a high volume three point shooter. Then, you also need a closer to play with him that can play on and off the ball equally well.

[CROklahoma]

Could you guys actually imagine your GM trading Embiid tommorow for a overhaul larger than PG one lets say, something like 2 unprotected first rounders, 2 protected, and 2 young players ...

Would you be willing to build around Simmons, Thybulle, Harris ...

The problem is you need a very specific center to play with Simmons, someone who is a rim protector and a high volume three point shooter. Then, you also need a closer to play with him that can play on and off the ball equally well.

Thats easy, kit-KAT.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Could you guys actually imagine your GM trading Embiid tommorow for a overhaul larger than PG one lets say, something like 2 unprotected first rounders, 2 protected, and 2 young players ...

Would you be willing to build around Simmons, Thybulle, Harris ...

The problem is you need a very specific center to play with Simmons, someone who is a rim protector and a high volume three point shooter. Then, you also need a closer to play with him that can play on and off the ball equally well.

Thats easy, kit-KAT.

KAT's not a rim protector, and is pretty soft. That also leaves them without a closer, because the Wolves aren't going to give up assets for Embiid and would view it as a 1 to 1 trade, matter of fact with how durable KAT has been throughout his career and being younger they'd probably want more than just Embiid.

[phillynative]

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but I was told he didn't want to adjust for others....

He doesn't. Lol. In his ideal world he is dominating in the paint. He has said as much in the past. Every time he talks about being at the 3pt line to create space for others, he uses the word "sacrifice". Clearly, he would prefer to be closer to the basket and not getting triple teamed while his teammates can't knock down catch and shoot 3s.

Clearly, he would like his PG to take pull up jump shots rather than drive into traffic.

Clearly, he would like his PF and SF to not BOTH float into the paint or try to post up endlessly throughout games.

Clearly, he is correct that standing at the 3pt line is a sacrifice to his overall dominance.

He's doing it because he feels he HAS to in order to try to win games, not because he wants to so others feel more comfortable.

These quotes are so painfully obvious that Joel doesn't see himself fitting with Al and Ben.

If these are his sentiments I dont see anything wrong with any of it. He only "HAS" to do it because of the way the roster is built around him. Im also sure he knows hes no "Brook Lopez". Inside is his bread and butter and what he built his name off . So yes its a sacrafice when there is no players around him to compliment his game.

[Arsenal]

Proud of Embiid for holding out this long without completely blowing up. Very professional of him to sacrifice his game and not complain.

When we flame out this postseason, I'm quite sure he'll erupt and with good reason. It is criminal how badly this team has been constructed around him.

[SixthStreet]

The best way for THIS roster to reach its ceiling is for Embiid to work his way up to 10 3s a game. He's not a good enough shooter to do it yet, but he's not far off (especially considering how shooting starved we are from 3). Offensive sets can improve the shot chart and he can becoming more mentally prepared to hoist that many a game. I don't think it's something they can do on the fly in season, but it should be given renewed focus in the offseason.

And if shooting more 3s lets him expend less energy offensively and he can exert himself more on defense that's all the better.

[ankle420breaker]

Proud of Embiid for holding out this long without completely blowing up. Very professional of him to sacrifice him game and not complain.

When we flame out this postseason, I'm quite sure he'll erupt and with good reason. It is criminal how badly this team has been constructed around him.

Valid point, but Embiid hasn't had much room to talk this year. Aside with being out of shape since training camp he's disappeared defensively while his offensive numbers have declined across the board. He's definitely been part of the problem.

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[Bum Adebayo]

The best way for THIS roster to reach its ceiling is for Embiid to work his way up to 10 3s a game. He's not a good enough shooter to do it yet, but he's not far off (especially considering how shooting starved we are from 3). Offensive sets can improve the shot chart and he can becoming more mentally prepared to hoist that many a game. I don't think it's something they can do on the fly in season, but it should be given renewed focus in the offseason.

And if shooting more 3s lets him expend less energy offensively and he can exert himself more on defense that's all the better.

Ya of course it's him, the best player, who has to sacrifice himself for the other lesser players. Meanwhile there are other players who are always in their confort zone and it's not that bad because "he will never be able to shoot", but on the other hand Embiid being a good volume shooter with 10, 10! 3pt shots per game is perfeeekt.

I tell you, sometimes I exaggerated a bit about the state of the modern NBA, but after reading so many comments about how it is desirable to see Embiid shoot 10 3pt shots per game, it is evident the game is RUINED and we have already gone past the point of no return. This product is TERRIBLE, encouraging players to shoot bad percentage shots in volume because of analytics and roster construction.

I think I will stop watching any more RS games, at least in playoffs there is more defense played and less coasting.