2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[bondom34]

do explain

Delaying a rebuild and having 1 useful young player on your team while winning on the back of vets and keeping them to chase a first round exit after just committing to a rebuild is inexcusable. There's at most 2 players on this roster who will be on it the next time the team is relevant and maybe 1 has been integral this season. They stayed over the tax and managed to not get an asset for a guy who can leave and will keep winning for another quick out after trying to start to rebuild.

I haven't been this mad at a move or lack thereof in a while.

Your frustration would be more supported if we knew what, if anything, other teams were offering for Gallo. What are they supposed to do, call up and ask for protected 2nd rounders for him?

Honestly, I'd rather anything than nothing.

[Old Man Game]

Delaying a rebuild and having 1 useful young player on your team while winning on the back of vets and keeping them to chase a first round exit after just committing to a rebuild is inexcusable. There's at most 2 players on this roster who will be on it the next time the team is relevant and maybe 1 has been integral this season. They stayed over the tax and managed to not get an asset for a guy who can leave and will keep winning for another quick out after trying to start to rebuild.

I haven't been this mad at a move or lack thereof in a while.

Your frustration would be more supported if we knew what, if anything, other teams were offering for Gallo. What are they supposed to do, call up and ask for protected 2nd rounders for him?

Honestly, I'd rather anything than nothing.

So a team calls and says we'll offer a pick protected 1-45 and Sam does it, don't you think people would have been rightfully pissed?

[bondom34]

Your frustration would be more supported if we knew what, if anything, other teams were offering for Gallo. What are they supposed to do, call up and ask for protected 2nd rounders for him?

Honestly, I'd rather anything than nothing.

So a team calls and says we'll offer a pick protected 1-45 and Sam does it, don't you think people would have been rightfully pissed?

I mean, I'm relatively confident there'd be more offered. But I don't really see a reason to keep him for the rest of the season and stay over the tax. I'd rather his minutes go to any young guy at this point.

[Thunder Up]

My level of pissed at this is through the roof.

do explain

Delaying a rebuild and having 1 useful young player on your team while winning on the back of vets and keeping them to chase a first round exit after just committing to a rebuild is inexcusable. There's at most 2 players on this roster who will be on it the next time the team is relevant and maybe 1 has been integral this season. They stayed over the tax and managed to not get an asset for a guy who can leave and will keep winning for another quick out after trying to start to rebuild.

I haven't been this mad at a move or lack thereof in a while.

You live in a la la land where the Thunder got deals that made sense to make a move on and just said ehhh **** it no thanks

[bondom34]

do explain

Delaying a rebuild and having 1 useful young player on your team while winning on the back of vets and keeping them to chase a first round exit after just committing to a rebuild is inexcusable. There's at most 2 players on this roster who will be on it the next time the team is relevant and maybe 1 has been integral this season. They stayed over the tax and managed to not get an asset for a guy who can leave and will keep winning for another quick out after trying to start to rebuild.

I haven't been this mad at a move or lack thereof in a while.

You live in a la la land where the Thunder got deals that made sense to make a move on and just said ehhh **** it no thanks

Literally anything makes sense.

Chasing a 7 seed does not.

[ThunderBolt]

Fair point.

Regardless, however, I think there is some value in a franchise just playing competitive basketball games when the fanbase by in large is enjoying themselves. I felt the opposite for years. I was a big tank commander. But in light of how fun this season has been I'm feeling pretty good about letting it ride. If Gallo walks for nothing at least its Gallo this time and not a franchise superstar caliber player like KD. In other words the fanbase has been through worse and given all the other assets we've collected we're in a better position to weather that outcome this time.

I think an unprotected Miami pick 3 years out would have had some nice value. Teams like unprotected picks even if the team is good at the moment. I guess I was hoping that was the type of asset that we could use to get a player like Oladipo when he becomes available.

Have we seen reporting that that deal was on the table? Everything I've seen effectively gave Gallo himself a veto over whatever Miami was offering because the trade from their end was entirely contingent on him signing the extension, which he was unwilling to do. So can't be mad at Presti over this one if Gallo wasn't willing (understandably) to mortgage his future for the OKC franchise.

There were reports the last few days and weeks of Knicks and Lakers being interested in schroder. Miami, Phx, Mavs and Portland interested in Gallo and Hawks interested in Adams. Like I said, it’s not too late but if we start the season with these guys on the roster then it’s unlikely we will get as much of a return at that time as we could have today.

[Thunder Up]

Delaying a rebuild and having 1 useful young player on your team while winning on the back of vets and keeping them to chase a first round exit after just committing to a rebuild is inexcusable. There's at most 2 players on this roster who will be on it the next time the team is relevant and maybe 1 has been integral this season. They stayed over the tax and managed to not get an asset for a guy who can leave and will keep winning for another quick out after trying to start to rebuild.

I haven't been this mad at a move or lack thereof in a while.

You live in a la la land where the Thunder got deals that made sense to make a move on and just said ehhh **** it no thanks

Literally anything makes sense.

Chasing a 7 seed does not.

hell yeah man, trading Gallo for James Johnson would've been great!!!! I can't believe we didn't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bondom34]

You live in a la la land where the Thunder got deals that made sense to make a move on and just said ehhh **** it no thanks

Literally anything makes sense.

Chasing a 7 seed does not.

hell yeah man, trading Gallo for James Johnson would've been great!!!! I can't believe we didn't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a mighty tall strawman you've got there.

[Dadouv47]

Sam has basically painted himself into a corner this summer. If Gallo isn’t moved in a sign and trade and Dennis doesn’t find a new home, it will be a squandered opportunity. It’s not too late but “leverage” for Gallo is gone and Dennis’ value will decline each day after the season begins.

I have one major concern with a rebuild- waiting to tear it down until shai is 24 and really starting to take the next . There is still time to make the most out of the current players but today wasn’t ideal for me. Hopefully the profit from a couple of playoff games helps to offset the tax we will be paying since we didn’t do anything to get under it.

I agree with everything u said but I don't think Presti passed on average/good offers.
Schroeder was the player I used to hate the most since I became an OKC fan. I wanted to trade him badly because his value went up but what other teams offered? A couple of 2nd at best? I
The main issue is that we have a lot of good players that are overpaid, so it's tough to find value. And we are too good to tank.
If teams are willing to make bigger move in the offseason, I hope Presti start combining players and future draft picks to get some young players in return, because it's obviously concerning that SGA is our only piece for the future

[Thunder Up]

Literally anything makes sense.

Chasing a 7 seed does not.

hell yeah man, trading Gallo for James Johnson would've been great!!!! I can't believe we didn't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a mighty tall strawman you've got there.

Did you know that the Thunder are pushing for the 4 or 5 seed at the moment and will never be chasing the 7 seed because that is a foregone conclusion

[Dadouv47]

I think an unprotected Miami pick 3 years out would have had some nice value. Teams like unprotected picks even if the team is good at the moment. I guess I was hoping that was the type of asset that we could use to get a player like Oladipo when he becomes available.

Have we seen reporting that that deal was on the table? Everything I've seen effectively gave Gallo himself a veto over whatever Miami was offering because the trade from their end was entirely contingent on him signing the extension, which he was unwilling to do. So can't be mad at Presti over this one if Gallo wasn't willing (understandably) to mortgage his future for the OKC franchise.

There were reports the last few days and weeks of Knicks and Lakers being interested in schroder. Miami, Phx, Mavs and Portland interested in Gallo and Hawks interested in Adams. Like I said, it’s not too late but if we start the season with these guys on the roster then it’s unlikely we will get as much of a return at that time as we could have today.

The Lakers were not willing to give up Kuzma for Morris, so clearly not trading Kuzma for Schroeder either.

The only player that I suspect Presti was asking too much for is Adams, but Drummond was traded for a 2nd and the Cavs couldn't trade TT.

[bondom34]

hell yeah man, trading Gallo for James Johnson would've been great!!!! I can't believe we didn't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a mighty tall strawman you've got there.

Did you know that the Thunder are pushing for the 4 or 5 seed at the moment and will never be chasing the 7 seed because that is a foregone conclusion

Oh. Yes that's excellent. Chris Paul is the future of the franchise.

[Thunder Up]

That's a mighty tall strawman you've got there.

Did you know that the Thunder are pushing for the 4 or 5 seed at the moment and will never be chasing the 7 seed because that is a foregone conclusion

Oh. Yes that's excellent. Chris Paul is the future of the franchise.

Man those 76ers are really looking great with that full on rebuild extreme tanking that they did......

[ThunderBolt]

Did you know that the Thunder are pushing for the 4 or 5 seed at the moment and will never be chasing the 7 seed because that is a foregone conclusion

Oh. Yes that's excellent. Chris Paul is the future of the franchise.

Man those 76ers are really looking great with that full on rebuild extreme tanking that they did......

The 76ers are underachieving at the six seed and we are overachieving at the six seed.

[Thunder Up]

Oh. Yes that's excellent. Chris Paul is the future of the franchise.

Man those 76ers are really looking great with that full on rebuild extreme tanking that they did......

The 76ers are underachieving at the six seed and we are overachieving at the six seed.

The 76ers at the apex of their rebuild to win a championship have the same record as the rebuilding Thunder while playing in an awful conference.

It's lookin real nice for those Sixers!

[thor19]

Delaying a rebuild and having 1 useful young player on your team while winning on the back of vets and keeping them to chase a first round exit after just committing to a rebuild is inexcusable. There's at most 2 players on this roster who will be on it the next time the team is relevant and maybe 1 has been integral this season. They stayed over the tax and managed to not get an asset for a guy who can leave and will keep winning for another quick out after trying to start to rebuild.

I haven't been this mad at a move or lack thereof in a while.

You live in a la la land where the Thunder got deals that made sense to make a move on and just said ehhh **** it no thanks

Literally anything makes sense.

Chasing a 7 seed does not.

If some teams call giving a second and bad contracts that dont helps us either, we can do a sign and trade and give something in return in the offseason, getting JJ or dion maybe nobody want to give a young player, some one like Oubre , AG , Bamba , Herro , or someone similar

[bondom34]

Man those 76ers are really looking great with that full on rebuild extreme tanking that they did......

The 76ers are underachieving at the six seed and we are overachieving at the six seed.

The 76ers at the apex of their rebuild to win a championship have the same record as the rebuilding Thunder while playing in an awful conference.

It's lookin real nice for those Sixers!

I feel like you missed that the Sixers best two players are young, and they've got a more promising rookie than OKC does. The Thunder's best two players are over 30, and the Sixers have been further in the last two years than OKC.

Philly also only rebuilt like 4 years.

[ThunderBolt]

Have we seen reporting that that deal was on the table? Everything I've seen effectively gave Gallo himself a veto over whatever Miami was offering because the trade from their end was entirely contingent on him signing the extension, which he was unwilling to do. So can't be mad at Presti over this one if Gallo wasn't willing (understandably) to mortgage his future for the OKC franchise.

There were reports the last few days and weeks of Knicks and Lakers being interested in schroder. Miami, Phx, Mavs and Portland interested in Gallo and Hawks interested in Adams. Like I said, it’s not too late but if we start the season with these guys on the roster then it’s unlikely we will get as much of a return at that time as we could have today.

The Lakers were not willing to give up Kuzma for Morris, so clearly not trading Kuzma for Schroeder either.

The only player that I suspect Presti was asking too much for is Adams, but Drummond was traded for a 2nd and the Cavs couldn't trade TT.

My point is that we know teams called on our players. There were likely calls that weren’t reported. This team still would have made the playoffs without Gallo. I guess I want to know when Sam is really going to commit to the rebuild. It needs to happen no later than this summer.

[Thunder Up]

The 76ers are underachieving at the six seed and we are overachieving at the six seed.

The 76ers at the apex of their rebuild to win a championship have the same record as the rebuilding Thunder while playing in an awful conference.

It's lookin real nice for those Sixers!

I feel like you missed that the Sixers best two players are young, and they've got a more promising rookie than OKC does. The Thunder's best two players are over 30, and the Sixers have been further in the last two years than OKC.

Philly also only rebuilt like 4 years.

I feel like you missed that the Simmons + Embiid tandem isn't working and Simmons is a very blah player, especially come playoff time.

Thybulle is not anything special, at all. 3nD wing who isn't great at 3'ing (time will tell, I wanted OKC to get him before the roster blow-up happened)

There's more than one way to rebuild a team to compete and full on tanking is not a good option.
Also, trading a player just to trade him for absolutely-f*cking-nothing is not a good move. But apparently you are absolutely irate because the Thunder didn't just throw players away for whatever someone was willing to send.

[slick_watts]

Man those 76ers are really looking great with that full on rebuild extreme tanking that they did......

The 76ers are underachieving at the six seed and we are overachieving at the six seed.

The 76ers at the apex of their rebuild to win a championship have the same record as the rebuilding Thunder while playing in an awful conference.

It's lookin real nice for those Sixers!

the sixers hired an incompetent to run their franchise. if the thunder rebuilt properly and got into the same position the sixers were in a couple years ago it would be a rousing success, just like the sixers rebuild has been. also, ben simmons / joel embiid are in their age 23 and age 25 seasons respectively. so i'm not sure it's fit to describe this as their 'apex' just yet.

lastly, and obviously, the sixers struggles this season have no bearing on the thunder's current situation. weren't you spouting this sunshine party line last season too?

Precedent? C'mon, there's no such thing as a binding precedent in a front office. It's all case by case anyway. If no one was offering anything compelling there's no shame or downside to letting it go in this instance and just enjoying what it is for what it is. So what if they get swept in the first round. That's only 1 less game than they won in the playoffs last year and they got numerous first rounders in the exchange. That's a successful season so far as I see it.

the downside is a reduction of value on the thunder's own 2020 pick (and the chance the pick is lost entirely) as well as whatever they could have reasonably acquired by trading danilo gallinari for any return.

i'm not really too torn up about this. i kind of expected it, considering the sunshine coming from the thunder media which is the mouthpiece for the thunder organization. they are treating this season as a sort of palate cleanser and maybe that's worth something. but i'm wary of the thunder not committing to a rebuild in lieu of chasing waterfalls.