Dupp wrote:Light years!
Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.
And Russell is good is he?
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Dupp wrote:Light years!
Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.
zhenyasj wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:
Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West
tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.
Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.
Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.
What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.
clyde21 wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:clyde21 wrote:
yes, Iggy is a + asset...dude literally just netted Memphis Winslow...that's the definition of a plus asset. what are you talking about? say we never traded for DLo it could've been us that traded Iggy for Winslow, and i'd rather have Winslow at his contract over Wiggins at his contract...that right there is a win on its own
now include the fact that we also had to give Memphis an unprotected 2024 1st rounder just to GIVE them Iggy...u can be serious here.
So thats were the issue lies. Who cares about what winslow makes compared wiggy when GS will never have cap space as long as they have Curry Klay Draymond green. Wiggy isn't gonna stop the warriors from getting a player due to his contract in comparison to winslow contract, GS is over the cap regardless.
I'd rather have wiggy than winslow imho.
what do you mean who the hell cares how much they make? I care...the contract is a huge difference in terms of how potentially tradeable these guys are...Winslow at 13mil is infinitely more valuable asset than Wiggins at 28mil
and, to make matters worse, we had to give up a 2024 UNPROTECTED 1st rounder to do it...we couldn't even get an unprotected 21 from Minny in THIS deal.
xdrta+ wrote:For the Warriors, Wiggens is better than DLo and the contracts are basically the same. Looks like slam-dunk.
xdrta+ wrote:For the Warriors, Wiggens is better than DLo and the contracts are basically the same. Looks like slam-dunk.
og15 wrote:ILOVEIT wrote:Dupp wrote:
16 finals Barnes with way way worse defense sure.
Not really. How great is Barnes now that he's not on Warriors? How's his defense. His lateral movement was always slow.
Wiggins is a huge upgrade over HB (and I used to have a man crush on HB lol).
It's in fashion to knock Wiggins as some kind of flop. You can't call a guy that averages 22 a night on an otherwise crappy team a bust.
He's going to be great...and I think the Warriors are going to have a 65 win year next year.
Being a bust is relative to expectations as well as draft position, there's no ppg threshold that makes a player not a bust. Wiggins is certainly a bust for a #1 pick with superstar expectations, doesn't mean some team can't find a role for him that makes him most effective as possible, but we'll see.
clyde21 wrote:zhenyasj wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.
Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.
What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.
What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Dupp wrote:Light years!
Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.
And Russell is good is he?
zhenyasj wrote:clyde21 wrote:zhenyasj wrote:What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.
What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take
They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.
Marvin Martian wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Dupp wrote:Light years!
Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.
And Russell is good is he?
Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Marvin Martian wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:And Russell is good is he?
Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.
Both are similar efficiency wise. You’d want to hope Russell is a better playmaker seeing as he came into the league as a point guard.
If your argument for Russell being good is well he isn’t Wiggins then that says a lot about Russell’s ability as a player.
Making the playoffs once in the East as the seventh seed isn’t exactly some amazing achievement. He was also trash in that series.
I’m not arguing for Wiggins but how do people think Russell had any use for the Warriors next season? He’s awful defensively and would force Klay to play the 3, a position he is too small for. At least with Wiggins he’s bigger and allows Klay to play his natural position.
Warriors were stuck with a mediocre player either way.
zhenyasj wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:
Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West
tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.
Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.
Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.
What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.
clyde21 wrote:zhenyasj wrote:clyde21 wrote:
What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take
They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.
i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.
cpower wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Marvin Martian wrote:
Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.
Both are similar efficiency wise. You’d want to hope Russell is a better playmaker seeing as he came into the league as a point guard.
If your argument for Russell being good is well he isn’t Wiggins then that says a lot about Russell’s ability as a player.
Making the playoffs once in the East as the seventh seed isn’t exactly some amazing achievement. He was also trash in that series.
I’m not arguing for Wiggins but how do people think Russell had any use for the Warriors next season? He’s awful defensively and would force Klay to play the 3, a position he is too small for. At least with Wiggins he’s bigger and allows Klay to play his natural position.
Warriors were stuck with a mediocre player either way.
I agree, the decision to get DLO or Wiggins is some red flag for this orginazation. Pretty much opposite of what they used to do in picking players...
clyde21 wrote:zhenyasj wrote:clyde21 wrote:
What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take
They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.
i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.