Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#501 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:09 am

Dupp wrote:Light years!



Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.

And Russell is good is he?
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#502 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:12 am

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Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West

tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.


Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.

Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.

What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.


What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#503 » by xdrta+ » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:14 am

For the Warriors, Wiggens is better than DLo and the contracts are basically the same. Looks like slam-dunk.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#504 » by MindState » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:14 am

This trade is great for both teams from a fit and talent perspective. Both teams got better. Anyone who doesent think that is in denial.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#505 » by zhenyasj » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:16 am

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yes, Iggy is a + asset...dude literally just netted Memphis Winslow...that's the definition of a plus asset. what are you talking about? say we never traded for DLo it could've been us that traded Iggy for Winslow, and i'd rather have Winslow at his contract over Wiggins at his contract...that right there is a win on its own

now include the fact that we also had to give Memphis an unprotected 2024 1st rounder just to GIVE them Iggy...u can be serious here.


So thats were the issue lies. Who cares about what winslow makes compared wiggy when GS will never have cap space as long as they have Curry Klay Draymond green. Wiggy isn't gonna stop the warriors from getting a player due to his contract in comparison to winslow contract, GS is over the cap regardless.

I'd rather have wiggy than winslow imho.


what do you mean who the hell cares how much they make? I care...the contract is a huge difference in terms of how potentially tradeable these guys are...Winslow at 13mil is infinitely more valuable asset than Wiggins at 28mil

and, to make matters worse, we had to give up a 2024 UNPROTECTED 1st rounder to do it...we couldn't even get an unprotected 21 from Minny in THIS deal.

First of all, 2024 is protected. Secondly, it's too far away and I'd rather have 2021 pick as it will be the deepest draft in years and we have a chance to improve the team while the core is still playing. Finally, Wiggins is still 24 years old and is worth taking a chance on given where he played.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#506 » by iamworthy » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:16 am

I assume Steph Gave the green light on this? If so, it's crazy to think they have put their championship hopes in Wiggins. I was expecting aaron Gordon or something.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#507 » by brutalitops » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:20 am

xdrta+ wrote:For the Warriors, Wiggens is better than DLo and the contracts are basically the same. Looks like slam-dunk.

Possibly, Cant see i've seen him play.


However Andrew Wiggins, previously from the Wolves is trash and Dlo is a far better player
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#508 » by Raps in 4 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:22 am

xdrta+ wrote:For the Warriors, Wiggens is better than DLo and the contracts are basically the same. Looks like slam-dunk.


They both suck. But at least DLo was an asset due to his age and all-star selection.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#509 » by 510TWSS » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:22 am

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16 finals Barnes with way way worse defense sure.


Not really. How great is Barnes now that he's not on Warriors? How's his defense. His lateral movement was always slow.

Wiggins is a huge upgrade over HB (and I used to have a man crush on HB lol).

It's in fashion to knock Wiggins as some kind of flop. You can't call a guy that averages 22 a night on an otherwise crappy team a bust.

He's going to be great...and I think the Warriors are going to have a 65 win year next year.

Being a bust is relative to expectations as well as draft position, there's no ppg threshold that makes a player not a bust. Wiggins is certainly a bust for a #1 pick with superstar expectations, doesn't mean some team can't find a role for him that makes him most effective as possible, but we'll see.


Haha so what do we call Bennet? Lmao
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#510 » by zhenyasj » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:24 am

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Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.

Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.

What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.


What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take

They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#511 » by Marvin Martian » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:24 am

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Dupp wrote:Light years!



Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.

And Russell is good is he?


Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#512 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:32 am

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zhenyasj wrote:What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.


What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take

They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.


i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#513 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:32 am

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GrandTheftRondo wrote:
Dupp wrote:Light years!



Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.

And Russell is good is he?


Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.

Both are similar efficiency wise. You’d want to hope Russell is a better playmaker seeing as he came into the league as a point guard.

If your argument for Russell being good is well he isn’t Wiggins then that says a lot about Russell’s ability as a player.

Making the playoffs once in the East as the seventh seed isn’t exactly some amazing achievement. He was also trash in that series.

I’m not arguing for Wiggins but how do people think Russell had any use for the Warriors next season? He’s awful defensively and would force Klay to play the 3, a position he is too small for. At least with Wiggins he’s bigger and allows Klay to play his natural position.

Warriors were stuck with a mediocre player either way.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#514 » by cpower » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:35 am

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
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GrandTheftRondo wrote:And Russell is good is he?


Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.

Both are similar efficiency wise. You’d want to hope Russell is a better playmaker seeing as he came into the league as a point guard.

If your argument for Russell being good is well he isn’t Wiggins then that says a lot about Russell’s ability as a player.

Making the playoffs once in the East as the seventh seed isn’t exactly some amazing achievement. He was also trash in that series.

I’m not arguing for Wiggins but how do people think Russell had any use for the Warriors next season? He’s awful defensively and would force Klay to play the 3, a position he is too small for. At least with Wiggins he’s bigger and allows Klay to play his natural position.

Warriors were stuck with a mediocre player either way.

I agree, the decision to get DLO or Wiggins is some red flag for this orginazation. Pretty much opposite of what they used to do in picking players...
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#515 » by Buckeye-NBAFan » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:35 am

zhenyasj wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West

tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.


Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.

Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.

What assets? Myers is trying to make chicken soup with chicken ***. He's trying to create assets out of nothing. Whether he succeeds or fails, we'll see, but at least he's trying rather than running it back with the team with 0 depth and only 2 scorers.


Myers traded Iggy, Damian Jones and a 1st for Wiggins and a 1st. It's not a good trade, no matter how you try to spin it
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#516 » by zhenyasj » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:39 am

clyde21 wrote:
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What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take

They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.


i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.

You can't compare situations. Myers was trying to free up money fast to sign D-Lo versus Memphis taking time to listen to offers.
Whether this trade works out or not, I'd rather a GM being proactive and taking chances rather than playing it safe and settling.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#517 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:42 am

cpower wrote:
GrandTheftRondo wrote:
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Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.

Both are similar efficiency wise. You’d want to hope Russell is a better playmaker seeing as he came into the league as a point guard.

If your argument for Russell being good is well he isn’t Wiggins then that says a lot about Russell’s ability as a player.

Making the playoffs once in the East as the seventh seed isn’t exactly some amazing achievement. He was also trash in that series.

I’m not arguing for Wiggins but how do people think Russell had any use for the Warriors next season? He’s awful defensively and would force Klay to play the 3, a position he is too small for. At least with Wiggins he’s bigger and allows Klay to play his natural position.

Warriors were stuck with a mediocre player either way.

I agree, the decision to get DLO or Wiggins is some red flag for this orginazation. Pretty much opposite of what they used to do in picking players...

Um.... it was either lose Durant and get nothing in return or take Russell. They made the right choice. They don’t have cap room so they can’t simply bring in whoever.

It’s not some red flag picking these players. Every player cannot be a home run. Sometimes to get to an end goal you have to put up with some rubbish. The Warriors are currently trying to rebuild while Curry, Klay and Draymond are still there. This won’t be the last major move they make.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#518 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:42 am

clyde21 wrote:
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What do you mean what assets? Memphis literally just got Winslow for Iggy, the same Iggy Myers had to give Memphis 2024 1st rounder to take

They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.


i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.


Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#519 » by dballislife » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:42 am

hes not the better player but i think wiggins fits good with curry and klay, the lane is gonna be open for him to attack with his athleticism and green can only pass so its a good fit
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#520 » by 510TWSS » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:45 am

Meh you’d think Justice Winslow was James Worthy by the way some talk about him on here.

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