Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[DonaldSanders]

IF Wiggins ups his value to the point where he's tradable, the Warriors could win. However if Wiggins doesn't, it's very possible he'll be on the Warriors through the rest of Klay and Curry's prime, still being a negative player.

Golden State took quite the gamble here.

Gamble is the right way to put it. Clearly DLo wasn't going to take us anywhere, and we need someone with different skills than him. The issue is that we're banking on either:

1) Wiggins improving under the GState culture (he probably will, but how much is hard to say)
2) That 2021 pick turning into a nice player

Wiggins turnovers and bad 3P shooting don't bode well. I'll try to be optimistic, but it's tough. The only upside is that from stats his defense doesn't look quite as bad as it does when watching. Hopefully the Warrior Way can convince him to play harder on D more consistently -- that's what we need more than anything. I doubt he will ever develop a good 3. I wish we got a different player or 2 good rotation players but it doesn't sound like we had those options.

[MindState]

Name a worse player who makes as much as he does. There may be a few, but he's about as bad as it gets for a max player. I actually like this trade for Golden State, but it's because of the pick, not Wiggins' value.

You arent looking at this correctly. The Warriors financial situation has not changed, D'Lo and Wiggins had the same exact contract. So nothing has changed pre-trade from a financial standpoint. Except Wiggins is a much better fit. So the warriors improved.

And my point is that Wiggins at that contract is never a good thing, even if he is your team's 4th best player. This was at best a lateral move in the short term.

By the way, 4th best players I'd rather have on a good team, even though Wiggins is more "talented":

Gordon Hayward
Whoever you consider The Clippers 4th best player to be
Brook Lopez
Malcolm Brogdon
Joe Harris or Jarret Allen
Paul Millsap or Will Barton
Lonzo Ball, JJ Reddick, or Derrick Favors
Joe Ingles

This really isn't hard, and there are no doubt more.

Consider this though, out of all those teams listed, Warriors Top 3 players are better then the top 3 players on all of those teams, which makes the Warriors ability to eat Wiggins contract that much easier. Thats why im saying, its all relative. If Wiggins is the 4th best player on the Warriors, the Warriors look like a great team. Especially when you consider all the other assets they have.

Imagine having Curry, Klay, Draymond, Wiggins and the chance at the #1 pick in this years draft.

Every team would wish to be in that situation.

Look at the bigger picture. Wiggins on the warriors isnt a negative considering their current situation.

[thinktank]

Well that’s hard to do considering the players that would be named are actually the first or second best players on their respective teams . You're trying to prove your point in a very strange way.

What you’re saying makes zero sense.

Someone said 6ers. Perhaps.

Name another team whose 4th best player is better than Wiggins.

Not saying there aren’t any, but how many are there?

The initial post made no sense because he’s trying to lower the standard by which Wiggins should be judged by To prove people are hating on Wiggins which in reality people are probably just disappointed in on Wiggins because he never lived up to his draft status and gets paid like he did.

All you’re doing is ignoring the context of Wiggins’ fit in the Warriors. Ie you don’t want to look at it the way the poster is because he might be right.

[NCHeels2008]

i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.

You can't compare situations. Myers was trying to free up money fast to sign D-Lo versus Memphis taking time to listen to offers.
Whether this trade works out or not, I'd rather a GM being proactive and taking chances rather than playing it safe and settling.

yes I can, Myers panicked and not only gave away a + asset for nothing but attached a future pick (could be a really high one, too) just so he pay D-Lo 30mil a pop.

again, we essentially traded Iggy and a 24 FRP for Wiggins and a 21 FRP...that's not a good deal...the Wiggins contract on its own is a negative asset that needed a 1st just to unload.

Hollinger spoke to the fact maybe GSW was still better off for keeping money on the books, Since the Chase Center prints money just having a bad contract could be better than no contract. And I'd much rather have MIN 21 1st than GSW 24 1st. Now as strong as Wiggin's negative perception is among the league, I'm disappointed the Warriors couldn't get more from Minnesota, the Wolves needs to make this deal much more than the Warriors. If you're the Dubs why don't you just sit on DLo and let the Wolves become even more of a trash fire. The TPE and MLE better be used because Wiggins is bolted to this roster until he's an expiring. The TPE and MLE signing will be the cap flotsam to "star hunt" along with their lotto pick and that Minnesota pick.

[TheAlchemist]

Warriors will look crazy good when everyone's back. Remember, this team was a 72 win team with Harrison Barnes at the 3 spot.

Wiggins is comparable to Barnes, yet has potential to be MUCH better (although unrealized at this point and looks to forever will be).

The Warriors didn't NEED Kevin Durant. They needed a player who can athletically be great at defending, creating a shot, and shooting at the three spot- YET - work within the framework of a team.

They are perhaps the most balanced team in the NBA and I'm telling you guys, they'll have another dynasty within the next decade.

Curry - Thompson - Wiggins - Draymond - the first overall pick...

JEEEZUS.

[InWestWeTrust]

Warriors will look crazy good when everyone's back. Remember, this team was a 72 win team with Harrison Barnes at the 3 spot.

Wiggins is comparable to Barnes, yet has potential to be MUCH better (although unrealized at this point and looks to forever will be).

The Warriors didn't NEED Kevin Durant. They needed a player who can athletically be great at defending, creating a shot, and shooting at the three spot- YET - work within the framework of a team.

They are perhaps the most balanced team in the NBA and I'm telling you guys, they'll have another dynasty within the next decade.

Curry - Thompson - Wiggins - Draymond - the first overall pick...

JEEEZUS.

I don’t hate the trade like a lot of dubs fan but you’re overlooking the depth the non-KD warriors had with Barnes. If Myers can get some more wings to replace Livingston and Igoudala then JEEEEEZUS. Until then I’m being patient.

[Soca]

Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.

Did you really think a team with Cap Space was going to absorb the entire 17 mil left on Iguodala's deal without an asset attached? Sorry that wasn't happening for a 36 year old Iguodala.

yes, because he's still a + asset that can be flipped (as we literally just saw) for another asset.

That's not the same situation. Memphis could take salary back. The Warriors needed a team to take Iguodala's entire salary without receiving any salary back. That was the only way make the Russell sign and trade work.

[iamworthy]

What you’re saying makes zero sense.

Someone said 6ers. Perhaps.

Name another team whose 4th best player is better than Wiggins.

Not saying there aren’t any, but how many are there?

The initial post made no sense because he’s trying to lower the standard by which Wiggins should be judged by To prove people are hating on Wiggins which in reality people are probably just disappointed in on Wiggins because he never lived up to his draft status and gets paid like he did.

All you’re doing is ignoring the context of Wiggins’ fit in the Warriors. Ie you don’t want to look at it the way the poster is because he might be right.

This feels like a clown show . Yes, if nba talent were broken into tiers, the more tiers Wiggins dropped he would eventually become the best player in that tier.

[clyde21]

Did you really think a team with Cap Space was going to absorb the entire 17 mil left on Iguodala's deal without an asset attached? Sorry that wasn't happening for a 36 year old Iguodala.

yes, because he's still a + asset that can be flipped (as we literally just saw) for another asset.

That's not the same situation. Memphis could take salary back. The Warriors needed a team to take Iguodala's entire salary without receiving any salary back. That was the only way make the Russell sign and trade work.

yes, we all understand that, that doesn't mean Myers had to give them a 1st rounder to take Iguodala. we could've went to Denver instead if Memphis wanted that, by Myers gave in like a turd.

[John Murdoch]

Wolves bent em over

[Soca]

yes, because he's still a + asset that can be flipped (as we literally just saw) for another asset.

That's not the same situation. Memphis could take salary back. The Warriors needed a team to take Iguodala's entire salary without receiving any salary back. That was the only way make the Russell sign and trade work.

yes, we all understand that, that doesn't mean Myers had to give them a 1st rounder to take Iguodala. we could've went to Denver instead if Memphis wanted that, by Myers gave in like a turd.

Denver did not have 17 mil in cap space or a trade exception that large to absorb Iguodala's contract last summer. That wouldn't have worked.

[clyde21]

That's not the same situation. Memphis could take salary back. The Warriors needed a team to take Iguodala's entire salary without receiving any salary back. That was the only way make the Russell sign and trade work.

yes, we all understand that, that doesn't mean Myers had to give them a 1st rounder to take Iguodala. we could've went to Denver instead if Memphis wanted that, by Myers gave in like a turd.

Denver did not have 17 mil in cap space or a trade exception that large to absorb Iguodala's contract last summer. That wouldn't have worked.

Dallas* not Denver

[Soca]

yes, we all understand that, that doesn't mean Myers had to give them a 1st rounder to take Iguodala. we could've went to Denver instead if Memphis wanted that, by Myers gave in like a turd.

Denver did not have 17 mil in cap space or a trade exception that large to absorb Iguodala's contract last summer. That wouldn't have worked.

Dallas* not Denver

They wanted Memphis to take back Courtney Lee's contract so I'm assuming that was the exact request this past summer.

[Neutral 123]

Wiggins just doesn't have it. He's a massive and expensive downgrade.

[clyde21]

Denver did not have 17 mil in cap space or a trade exception that large to absorb Iguodala's contract last summer. That wouldn't have worked.

Dallas* not Denver

They wanted Memphis to take back Courtney Lee's contract so I'm assuming that was the exact request this past summer.

Dallas could've still taken in Iggy's contract no issue

Memphis essentially held onto Iggy for half a year and got Justise Winslow and a 2024 1st for it...the Warriors got robbed, pointblank. they knew Myers was in a tough spot and milked him and he let it happen.

[Duke4life831]

yes, we all understand that, that doesn't mean Myers had to give them a 1st rounder to take Iguodala. we could've went to Denver instead if Memphis wanted that, by Myers gave in like a turd.

Denver did not have 17 mil in cap space or a trade exception that large to absorb Iguodala's contract last summer. That wouldn't have worked.

Dallas* not Denver

Or Myers could've just not done the sign and trade to get DLO and held onto Iggy and the 1st round pick and traded him at the deadline. Iggy by himself returned a better return than DLO got.

I didn't like the idea of attaching a 1st round with Iggy to get rid of him, but I thought in the long haul it would be worth it because GS would flip DLO and picks for a good asset. But flipping DLO for one of the worst contracts in all of basketball? Ya I would've much preferred Myers held onto Iggy and let KD walk. Then flip Iggy for an asset at the deadline, since it appears Iggy gets as good of a return as DLO got.

[JohnPferdelack]

Will the locker room cancer wiggins already play against the lakers?

[My Main Man]

Will the locker room cancer wiggins already play against the lakers?

I've been pretty down on Wiggins throughout his career but he's not a locker room cancer at all. If anything, every member of the Wolves from top down was rooting for him to succeed. Everyone liked him, he caused virtually zero drama, and the team always had his back. Opposite of a locker room cancer. He just isn't a top player.

[MindState]

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