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Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#781 » by Alfred » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:16 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:Isn't this thread long enough already?

McCaw is easily an NBA caliber player. He's actually a decent rotation player who sticks to his role offensively and plays sound fundamental defense.


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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#782 » by np6 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:49 pm

McCaw is Raptors's worst offensive AND (surprinsingly) defensive player, out of the players that played more than 500 min:

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The image above uses data from https://fivethirtyeight.com and you'd want to be in the top right quadrant.

However, I played and I've followed teams where less talented players, played ahead of their more talented teammates because coaches had more confidence in them running the system they want to run.

TD's time will come (I hope before the playoffs), and it's a great thing that this is happening to him now. It will make him a lot more careful with the details on both offense and defense.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#783 » by Danny1616 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:54 pm

He's an alright player, but no way I have in front of Powell and Davis in the depth chart. I'd even give Thomas some more burn over McCaw.

On any other team he'd be a nice bench piece, but our bench is insane this year.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#784 » by Basketball_Jones » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:47 am

Can’t wait for playoff McCaw!
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#785 » by JN » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:13 am

Posted in another thread, and thought it would be relevant to the mega McCaw thread.

This is in response to those that claim that when McCaw comes in we immediately get worse and start blowing leads. We see it in every game thread.

In the 15 game winning streak

Raptors are +14.8 / 48 minutes that McCaw is on the floor
Raptors are +8.8 / 48 minutes when McCaw is not on the floor
Positive impact of +6.0 / 48 during the streak.

If we keep it to the last 7 games with Masked McCaw

Raptors are +14.9 / 48 minutes that Masked McCaw is on the floor
Raptors are +5.6 / 48 minutes when Masked McCaw is not on the floor
Impact of +9.3 / 48 minutes

I know +/- is far from a perfect stat, but it certainly shows that the momentum has not shifted negatively when he has been on the floor recently. In fact our team has performed better with him on the floor ... significantly better during the streak. Before this streak the stats were certainly going in a negative manner, but not lately.

I am not a McCaw supporter by any means. I was open to Nurse giving him an extended chance to prove himself. Eventually I had enough and began to admit that Nurse was a great coach who was making a judgment error of some note. Now I am moving to "acceptance" and this isn't really hurting us and that Nurse may know what he is doing.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#786 » by JN » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:18 am

Danny1616 wrote:He's an alright player, but no way I have in front of Powell and Davis in the depth chart. I'd even give Thomas some more burn over McCaw.

On any other team he'd be a nice bench piece, but our bench is insane this year.


He was not ahead of Powell in the depth chart when Powell came back from injury last time.

And he has played the same level of minutes as TD since he came back from injury (21 min vs 20 min). Once Powell comes back I hope that changes, as there will be less of a need to play McCaw and TD together.. it will be one or the other. I know last time it was more McCaw than TD, but I think NN has had a jump in confidence with TD recently. So I hold out some hope.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#787 » by bballsparkin » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:39 am

Alfred wrote:
I_Like_Dirt wrote:Isn't this thread long enough already?

McCaw is easily an NBA caliber player. He's actually a decent rotation player who sticks to his role offensively and plays sound fundamental defense.


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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#788 » by RaptorsNorth » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:49 am

np6 wrote:McCaw is Raptors's worst offensive AND (surprinsingly) defensive player, out of the players that played more than 500 min:

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The image above uses data from https://fivethirtyeight.com and you'd want to be in the top right quadrant.

However, I played and I've followed teams where less talented players, played ahead of their more talented teammates because coaches had more confidence in them running the system they want to run.

TD's time will come (I hope before the playoffs), and it's a great thing that this is happening to him now. It will make him a lot more careful with the details on both offense and defense.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#789 » by Randle McMurphy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:19 am

JN wrote:Once Powell comes back I hope that changes, as there will be less of a need to play McCaw and TD together.. it will be one or the other. I know last time it was more McCaw than TD, but I think NN has had a jump in confidence with TD recently. So I hold out some hope.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#790 » by ballislife89 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:29 am

Just a reminder how much this guy sucks.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#791 » by C_Money » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:36 am

On a night when we’re struggling from 3, Nick Nurse plays McCaw over Matt Thomas. That’s terrible coaching right there.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#792 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:40 am

Maybe playing 4 on 5 offensively whenever he's on the court isn't such a good idea after all.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#793 » by SharoneWright » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:43 am

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Post#794 » by Alfred » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:44 am

Patrick McCaw is the undisputed king of 2 point games. About to rack up another thrilling 2 point performance tonight.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#795 » by deeps6x » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:47 am

JN wrote:Posted in another thread, and thought it would be relevant to the mega McCaw thread.

This is in response to those that claim that when McCaw comes in we immediately get worse and start blowing leads. We see it in every game thread.

In the 15 game winning streak

Raptors are +14.8 / 48 minutes that McCaw is on the floor
Raptors are +8.8 / 48 minutes when McCaw is not on the floor
Positive impact of +6.0 / 48 during the streak.

If we keep it to the last 7 games with Masked McCaw

Raptors are +14.9 / 48 minutes that Masked McCaw is on the floor
Raptors are +5.6 / 48 minutes when Masked McCaw is not on the floor
Impact of +9.3 / 48 minutes

I know +/- is far from a perfect stat, but it certainly shows that the momentum has not shifted negatively when he has been on the floor recently. In fact our team has performed better with him on the floor ... significantly better during the streak. Before this streak the stats were certainly going in a negative manner, but not lately.

I am not a McCaw supporter by any means. I was open to Nurse giving him an extended chance to prove himself. Eventually I had enough and began to admit that Nurse was a great coach who was making a judgment error of some note. Now I am moving to "acceptance" and this isn't really hurting us and that Nurse may know what he is doing.


First, I'm shocked that this thread hasn't been locked yet.

As for this post,... so what you are saying is our backups are better than other team's backups. Well duh. McCaw still fails the eye test.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#796 » by rarefind » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:48 am

Rather have Vince Carter tbh
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#797 » by ThemCrookedRefs » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:53 am

He's been dreadful to say the least. He's way too passive on offence (and not good at it anyway), he's been getting beat off the dribble with ease, he messes up coverages on defence. He literally makes no impact on the game. Anybody else out there would be so much more useful (especially TD or Thomas). He does not deserve a spot in the rotation even when we are banged up, let alone at full health. How he gets 20-25 mpg does not make any sense. Even Jack wonders what McCaw provides.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#798 » by Tor_Raps » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:55 am

But but McCaw gets deflections and makes normal passes on a fast break? You're telling me these skills that everyone possesses while being a complete turd on every other facet of the game is bad?
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#799 » by Jeremy Lin 7 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:57 am

Waive McCaw, please Masai.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#800 » by C Court » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:58 am

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