Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals

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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#461 » by Green89 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:53 pm

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Rudy Gay 21 years old 2nd year player - 20.1 PPG on 51% eFG 78.5% FT 34.6% 3PT and 2/2.2 assist/turnover ratio
(on a better team w/ a better coach) Jayson Tatum 21 years old 3rd year player - 22.4 PPG on 51% eFG 81% FT 38.2% 3PT and 3/2 assist/turnover ratio

can you show me the numbers that separates Tatum as a significantly better player in his 3rd year compared to a 2nd year player? I don't see it here


Gay averaged a full 3 more minutes per game that season. Also was nowhere near the defender Tatum is. Stupid to even compare the two. Gay was never an all star his entire career. Ridiculous comparison.


Rudy Gay also didn't have multiple All-Star caliber running mates or a top 3 coach. His team won 22 games in 07-08 and 24 games in 08-09. Gay was the #1 option offensively.


So, having all star running mates makes you an all star, or not having them prevents you? :lol: You're also blowing your own argument with your own words. Saying Gay was a number one option and the fact he couldn't generate more PPG and make even one all star team speaks volumes.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#462 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:53 pm

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Now do defense and advanced stats...


Now put Rudy Gay on a winning team instead of a 22-60 squad in the West


They were bad because of Rudy Gay. Stop ignoring that.

Gay made the Grizz 7.2 points per 100 possessions worse when he was on the court relative to being off of it. Tatum makes the Celtics 12.2 points per 100 possessions better.


By that logic Kemba just magically got better over night. Nah, Kemba has an easier time producing now.
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Post#463 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:54 pm

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Gay averaged a full 3 more minutes per game that season. Also was nowhere near the defender Tatum is. Stupid to even compare the two. Gay was never an all star his entire career. Ridiculous comparison.


Rudy Gay also didn't have multiple All-Star caliber running mates or a top 3 coach. His team won 22 games in 07-08 and 24 games in 08-09. Gay was the #1 option offensively.


So, having all star running mates makes you an all star, or not having them prevents you? :lol: You're also blowing your own argument with your own words. Saying Gay was a number one option and the fact he couldn't generate more PPG and make even one all star teams speaks volumes.


Again, I said Tatum is better than Gay. I said that Tatum's ceiling is the Jimmy Butler/Paul George type, you can quote me from October in this very thread stating that. So far, Tatum has not proven he is even on the Butler/PG13 level

Obviously having a better team makes it easier on you, don't be stupid.
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#464 » by The_Hater » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:02 pm

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jirrit wrote:Can you - in the meanwhile - show me the numbers that back up your claim Tatum= Rudy Gay?


Rudy Gay 21 years old 2nd year player - 20.1 PPG on 51% eFG 78.5% FT 34.6% 3PT and 2/2.2 assist/turnover ratio
(on a better team w/ a better coach) Jayson Tatum 21 years old 3rd year player - 22.4 PPG on 51% eFG 81% FT 38.2% 3PT and 3/2 assist/turnover ratio

can you show me the numbers that separates Tatum as a significantly better player in his 3rd year compared to a 2nd year player? I don't see it here


Tatum is more efficient, a significantly better shooter from distance which better spaces the floor, a stronger rebounder, a better passer, better at getting to the FT line and just a world of a better defender.

Stylistically, theyre nothing similar. Gay got his points by being a fantastic athlete while Tatum gets his by skill and footwork.

I know youre trolling, but youre just going to have to do better.


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Post#465 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:05 pm

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Rudy Gay also didn't have multiple All-Star caliber running mates or a top 3 coach. His team won 22 games in 07-08 and 24 games in 08-09. Gay was the #1 option offensively.


So, having all star running mates makes you an all star, or not having them prevents you? :lol: You're also blowing your own argument with your own words. Saying Gay was a number one option and the fact he couldn't generate more PPG and make even one all star teams speaks volumes.


Again, I said Tatum is better than Gay. I said that Tatum's ceiling is the Jimmy Butler/Paul George type, you can quote me from October in this very thread stating that. So far, Tatum has not proven he is even on the Butler/PG13 level

Obviously having a better team makes it easier on you, don't be stupid.


Tatum is in his 3rd year so yeah he's not currently on the level of Butler and PG in their primes (numbers are close though). Let's compare each of them in their 3rd year though shall we?

Butler: 13/5/2.5 on 39.7% FG and 28.3% 3PT = 52.2 TS%, 13.5 PER
PG: 16.7/7.5/4 ON 41.9% fg and 36.2% 3PT = 53.1 TS%, 16.8 PER
Tatum: 22/7/3 on 44.3% FG and 38.2% 3PT = 55.4 TS%, 19.5 PER

But the next Rudy Gay right?

Or we can't compare cause Tatum is on a better franchise with all-star teammates right? (Despite being the best player)
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Re: Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals 

Post#466 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:06 pm

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Now put Rudy Gay on a winning team instead of a 22-60 squad in the West


They were bad because of Rudy Gay. Stop ignoring that.

Gay made the Grizz 7.2 points per 100 possessions worse when he was on the court relative to being off of it. Tatum makes the Celtics 12.2 points per 100 possessions better.


By that logic Kemba just magically got better over night. Nah, Kemba has an easier time producing now.


He’s made his team better for 5 years in a row— what are you talking about?
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Post#467 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:07 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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They were bad because of Rudy Gay. Stop ignoring that.

Gay made the Grizz 7.2 points per 100 possessions worse when he was on the court relative to being off of it. Tatum makes the Celtics 12.2 points per 100 possessions better.


By that logic Kemba just magically got better over night. Nah, Kemba has an easier time producing now.


He’s made his team better for 5 years in a row— what are you talking about?


Kemba's advanced stats on efficiency have gone up and his defensive metrics have gone up. Did he suddenly become a better defender? Did he suddenly become a better scorer?
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Post#468 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:08 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
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Noticed you didn't even try to argue flopping because you know you'd look stupid. Good thing you stuck to something arbitrary like shouting


Wait so you think Giannis doesn’t flop?

Lol at least try to be objective. That would be like a Rockets fan saying Harden doesn’t flop or sell contact or a Celtics fan saying Smart doesn’t sell contact.


If Giannis is now a flopper then there isn't a star in the league that isn't a flopper.


So again, you actually believe Giannis doesn't flop or sell contact?
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Post#469 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:08 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
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So, having all star running mates makes you an all star, or not having them prevents you? :lol: You're also blowing your own argument with your own words. Saying Gay was a number one option and the fact he couldn't generate more PPG and make even one all star teams speaks volumes.


Again, I said Tatum is better than Gay. I said that Tatum's ceiling is the Jimmy Butler/Paul George type, you can quote me from October in this very thread stating that. So far, Tatum has not proven he is even on the Butler/PG13 level

Obviously having a better team makes it easier on you, don't be stupid.


Tatum is in his 3rd year so yeah he's not currently on the level of Butler and PG in their primes (numbers are close though). Let's compare each of them in their 3rd year though shall we?

Butler: 13/5/2.5 on 39.7% FG and 28.3% 3PT = 52.2 TS%, 13.5 PER
PG: 16.7/7.5/4 ON 41.9% fg and 36.2% 3PT = 53.1 TS%, 16.8 PER
Tatum: 22/7/3 on 44.3% FG and 38.2% 3PT = 55.4 TS%, 19.5 PER

But the next Rudy Gay right?

Or we can't compare cause Tatum is on a better franchise with all-star teammates right? (Despite being the best player)


Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.
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Post#470 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:09 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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By that logic Kemba just magically got better over night. Nah, Kemba has an easier time producing now.


He’s made his team better for 5 years in a row— what are you talking about?


Kemba's advanced stats on efficiency have gone up and his defensive metrics have gone up. Did he suddenly become a better defender? Did he suddenly become a better scorer?


He did become a better defender because now he can put more effort into it not having to handle the scoring load every night, knowing he doesn't have to drop 30 to have a chance to win.
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Post#472 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:10 pm

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Wait so you think Giannis doesn’t flop?

Lol at least try to be objective. That would be like a Rockets fan saying Harden doesn’t flop or sell contact or a Celtics fan saying Smart doesn’t sell contact.


If Giannis is now a flopper then there isn't a star in the league that isn't a flopper.


So again, you actually believe Giannis doesn't flop or sell contact?


You're being pedantic. Yes Giannis has "sold contact" every single player in the NBA has sold contact at one point or another.
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Post#473 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:10 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:
He’s made his team better for 5 years in a row— what are you talking about?


Kemba's advanced stats on efficiency have gone up and his defensive metrics have gone up. Did he suddenly become a better defender? Did he suddenly become a better scorer?


He did become a better defender because now he can put more effort into it not having to handle the scoring load every night, knowing he doesn't have to drop 30 to have a chance to win.


WOW so you mean having a better team makes it easier on you, kinda like I already said?
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Post#474 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:11 pm

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Again, I said Tatum is better than Gay. I said that Tatum's ceiling is the Jimmy Butler/Paul George type, you can quote me from October in this very thread stating that. So far, Tatum has not proven he is even on the Butler/PG13 level

Obviously having a better team makes it easier on you, don't be stupid.


Tatum is in his 3rd year so yeah he's not currently on the level of Butler and PG in their primes (numbers are close though). Let's compare each of them in their 3rd year though shall we?

Butler: 13/5/2.5 on 39.7% FG and 28.3% 3PT = 52.2 TS%, 13.5 PER
PG: 16.7/7.5/4 ON 41.9% fg and 36.2% 3PT = 53.1 TS%, 16.8 PER
Tatum: 22/7/3 on 44.3% FG and 38.2% 3PT = 55.4 TS%, 19.5 PER

But the next Rudy Gay right?

Or we can't compare cause Tatum is on a better franchise with all-star teammates right? (Despite being the best player)


Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.


*Checks reply and sees he's wrong about career trajectory on Tatum and promptly moves the goalposts*
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Post#475 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:12 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
themoneyteam2 wrote:
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Kemba's advanced stats on efficiency have gone up and his defensive metrics have gone up. Did he suddenly become a better defender? Did he suddenly become a better scorer?


He did become a better defender because now he can put more effort into it not having to handle the scoring load every night, knowing he doesn't have to drop 30 to have a chance to win.


WOW so you mean having a better team makes it easier on you, kinda like I already said?


On defense yeah but Kemba's numbers are down on offense cause he's surrounded by better players.

One would think Rudy Gay as the #1 option could at least put up more PPG than Tatum jeesh.
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Post#476 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:12 pm

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Tatum is in his 3rd year so yeah he's not currently on the level of Butler and PG in their primes (numbers are close though). Let's compare each of them in their 3rd year though shall we?

Butler: 13/5/2.5 on 39.7% FG and 28.3% 3PT = 52.2 TS%, 13.5 PER
PG: 16.7/7.5/4 ON 41.9% fg and 36.2% 3PT = 53.1 TS%, 16.8 PER
Tatum: 22/7/3 on 44.3% FG and 38.2% 3PT = 55.4 TS%, 19.5 PER

But the next Rudy Gay right?

Or we can't compare cause Tatum is on a better franchise with all-star teammates right? (Despite being the best player)


Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.


*Checks reply and sees he's wrong about career trajectory on Tatum and promptly moves the goalposts*


How am I wrong? I said Tatum has Butler/George ceiling and he isn't there.
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Post#477 » by GiannisAnte34 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:13 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:
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He did become a better defender because now he can put more effort into it not having to handle the scoring load every night, knowing he doesn't have to drop 30 to have a chance to win.


WOW so you mean having a better team makes it easier on you, kinda like I already said?


On defense yeah but Kemba's numbers are down on offense cause he's surrounded by better players.

One would think Rudy Gay as the #1 option could at least put up more PPG than Tatum jeesh.


Tatum is taking more shots than Gay, so now you really look stupid.
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Post#478 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:14 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
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Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.


*Checks reply and sees he's wrong about career trajectory on Tatum and promptly moves the goalposts*


How am I wrong? I said Tatum has Butler/George ceiling and he isn't there.


"So far, Tatum has not proven he is even on the Butler/PG13 level"

I compared each of them in their 3rd years since you said "So far". Of course Tatum so far hasn't reached his ceiling in year 3 lol. I can only compare what Butler, PG, and Tatum all looked like in their 3rd year.
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Post#479 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:15 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
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WOW so you mean having a better team makes it easier on you, kinda like I already said?


On defense yeah but Kemba's numbers are down on offense cause he's surrounded by better players.

One would think Rudy Gay as the #1 option could at least put up more PPG than Tatum jeesh.


Tatum is taking more shots than Gay, so now you really look stupid.


Actually I think saying Tatum compares to Gay is pretty f'n stupid - considering their playing styles aren't even close and on the defensive side of the ball it's not even a comparison.
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Post#480 » by Green89 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:17 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
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Again, I said Tatum is better than Gay. I said that Tatum's ceiling is the Jimmy Butler/Paul George type, you can quote me from October in this very thread stating that. So far, Tatum has not proven he is even on the Butler/PG13 level

Obviously having a better team makes it easier on you, don't be stupid.


Tatum is in his 3rd year so yeah he's not currently on the level of Butler and PG in their primes (numbers are close though). Let's compare each of them in their 3rd year though shall we?

Butler: 13/5/2.5 on 39.7% FG and 28.3% 3PT = 52.2 TS%, 13.5 PER
PG: 16.7/7.5/4 ON 41.9% fg and 36.2% 3PT = 53.1 TS%, 16.8 PER
Tatum: 22/7/3 on 44.3% FG and 38.2% 3PT = 55.4 TS%, 19.5 PER

But the next Rudy Gay right?

Or we can't compare cause Tatum is on a better franchise with all-star teammates right? (Despite being the best player)


Yet you'll be quick to dismiss Giannis being a GOAT candidate when he sets the All-Time PER record.


If only they gave out trophies for PER. Must be sad thinking about that, huh.

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