Red Sox v. MFY (8/28 - 8/30)

[mr_sunshine]

It's clear that the Red Sox can't hit against good pitching.

And oh yes, JD Drew still sucks.

It doesn't help when you have Hinske, Cora, and Drew in the lineup... but yah.

[alwayslovetheceltics]

JD Drew. go die along with f'n yankees and their fans.

[Chach]

This team is absolute gutless. I refuse to watch another game until the next Yankees series and if they don't show some fight, I am getting off the bandwagon completely because this team won't do jack in the playoffs. Every card except home field advantage was with the Sox before this series and they get SWEPT? I am sick to my stomach to be a Red Sox fan right now. mahalo
~Chach~

[NH_soxfan14]

At least Joba Chamberlain just turned into a fan favorite at Fenway Park.

[HeelSox]

so uhhh...go mets?

[Bleeding Green]

This is all a conspiracy by corporate television to raise ratings for the rest of the season. The Red Sox could have easily swept, but what is the fun in that? The season is over at that point. A Yankees sweep makes the rest of the season much more exciting.

Thanks NESN.

[Basketball Jesus]

This team is absolute gutless. I refuse to watch another game until the next Yankees series and if they don't show some fight, I am getting off the bandwagon completely because this team won't do jack in the playoffs. Every card except home field advantage was with the Sox before this series and they get SWEPT? I am sick to my stomach to be a Red Sox fan right now. mahalo
~Chach~

Join the Organization to Free Aaron Laffey. Our objective is almost complete.

[34Celtic]

Just sweep these clowns. Payback for last year, I say. Why Boston should sweep:

• Yankees are coming off a 16-run loss to the Tigers.
• Red Sox coming off a day of relaxation and rest.
• Matsuzaka, Beckett, Schilling
• Pettitte, Clemens, Wang
• Red Sox bullpen is rested after completely dismantling the White Sox.
• David Ortiz has found his powerstroke.
• Johnny Damon is a legitimate DH and leadoff option.
• Mike Lowell last 18 games: .433/.506/.642
• Derek Jeter last 17 games: .254/.303/.282
• Red Sox as a team v. Pettitte: .347/.401/.529 (242 AB)
• Joba Chamberlain is fat.

While I would love a Red Sox/Yankees ALCS again, I think it would be hilarious if the Red Sox won the division by 15 games just this once.

Welllllp...

Joba Chamberlain is not fat, he is an absolute stud in the making who has cahones.....unlike many Yankees pitchers in the past, and if you think he's Craig Hansen you're wrong, he is much much much better.

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So, cmaff, did you find all the cheap hits the Yankees got "disgusting" (like you were when the Red Sox got about half as many cheap hits against the Angels as the Yankees got tonight) while Clemens posted a .058 BAPIP tonight?

Clemens was absolutly filthy that night, he had trouble throwing strikes because his splitter was breaking so hard out of the zone. I can't belive I just saw BABIP used for a start, his stuff was dirty the other night.

[The Rondo Show]

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Clemens was absolutly filthy that night, he had trouble throwing strikes because his splitter was breaking so hard out of the zone. I can't belive I just saw BABIP used for a start, his stuff was dirty the other night.

Clemens was as far from filthy as one can be. He topped out in the very low-90's and his splitter was solid but nothing special (aside from the one thrown to Varitek late in the game). He was as hittable as he has been all year, and with him walking as many as he did the Red Sox should've scored 5+ runs off him. How many times do pitchers have "filthy" stuff and strikeout 2 in 6 IP?

He had trouble throwing strikes because his fastball command was not as good as it usually was. How many times did he walk guys or 4-5 pitches and miss by a ton with his fastball when he was trying to throw strikes? Several. The guy was not pitching well, the Red Sox offense just put up a disgusting performance.

As for using the BAPIP/Yankees cheap hits argument, it was a joke to cmaff. He came into the Red Sox/Angels game thread and was "disgusted" by how many cheap hits the Red Sox got-- this was a day after he claimed how it all evens out in the end as I complained the Angels got 3-4 cheap hits in a row off Buchholz. Then he said something like "well, it didn't even out in this game" when I'm sure he realizes it while it usually evens out at the end of the year...it doesn't even out on a game to game basis.

Oh, and Joba Chamberlain is fat. You're right that he is a stud in the making (hell, he's already a stud), but he is still fat.

[cmaff051]

I don't think Clemens looked very impressive, but by the same token, I don't think Daisuke looked very good either. He couldn't put guys away and got away with lots of hangers.

[The Rondo Show]

I don't think Clemens looked very impressive, but by the same token, I don't think Daisuke looked very good either. He couldn't put guys away and got away with lots of hangers.

I agree. Daisuke was as bad as he has been (stuff wise) since his start against Detroit before the break.

[VinnyTheMick]

This is all a conspiracy by corporate television to raise ratings for the rest of the season. The Red Sox could have easily swept, but what is the fun in that? The season is over at that point. A Yankees sweep makes the rest of the season much more exciting.

Thanks NESN.

[34Celtic]

All this said, I'd still take Clemens over 4/5 of the league down the stretch, and over any Red Sox starter, hell any Yankee starter outside of Pettitte and Wang. Sorry, we just seem to own Beckett, Dice-K doesn't impress me, Schilling is Mike Mussina waiting to happen, Lester/Tavarez???c'mon. Wakefield is the only one who scares me and we usually fair decently against him

[cmaff051]

All this said, I'd still take Clemens over 4/5 of the league down the stretch, and over any Red Sox starter, hell any Yankee starter outside of Pettitte and Wang. Sorry, we just seem to own Beckett, Dice-K doesn't impress me, Schilling is Mike Mussina waiting to happen, Lester/Tavarez???c'mon. Wakefield is the only one who scares me and we usually fair decently against him

I'd take Beckett over Clemens. Beckett has put together a very good season, despite getting hit around a bit by the Yankees. He could shut us down in the postseason (if we get there) easily.

And in case you've forgot, Clemens has been only average this season.

[The Rondo Show]

Clemens over Beckett? lol. Clemens stuff and command is no better than Schilling's either, so if you view Schilling as "Mussina waiting to happen" then the same should be said for Clemens.

And where exactly does Clemens beat out Matsuzaka? Dice-K has a lower ERA, lower WHIP, a far better K/9, goes deeper into games. He is simply a better pitcher than Clemens.

Based on your statement that Clemens was "filthy" when he clearly wasn't even close to filthy and that you'd take him over Josh Beckett who has been downright dominant this year...I'd say there's a pretty damn good chance you are a Roger Clemens fan boy.

Wakefield has had a nice season, but I'm not sure why he'd scare you. The Yankees hammer him (recently anyways, there was a few years where he absolutely owned the Yanks) and he is the Red Sox 3rd or 4th best starter.

[34Celtic]

thats fine, but I've seen him pitch some very good games, and not saying Beckett won't do it some day, but he isn't the pitcher Clemens is.

[The Rondo Show]

thats fine, but I've seen him pitch some very good games, and not saying Beckett won't do it some day, but he isn't the pitcher Clemens is.

You're right, he's not even close to the pitcher Clemens is.

He is far better.

[cmaff051]

thats fine, but I've seen him pitch some very good games, and not saying Beckett won't do it some day, but he isn't the pitcher Clemens is.

Who cares what pitcher Clemens was during his career? Or 5 years ago? Or even 3 years ago? He isn't the same pitcher. He isn't 25 anymore, he isn't even 35, he's 45.

Beckett has been a far better pitcher than Clemens this year.

[The Rondo Show]

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Who cares what pitcher Clemens was 5 years ago? Or even 3 years ago? He isn't the same pitcher. He isn't 25 anymore, he isn't even 35, he's 45.

Beckett has been a far better pitcher than Clemens this year.

Yeah, not to mention, his logic was absolutely absurd.

"I've seen Clemens pitch some very good games and not saying Beckett won't do it some day" --- Ummm, he has already pitched plenty of them in his career. If you (34Celtic) didn't see them (and you should've considering how did win WS MVP against your team in the 2003 WS), then you need to watch some more baseball. It isn't Josh Beckett's fault you watch nothing but Yankees games (and decide to not watch them when they make the World Series and Beckett is pitching).

One guy is putting together a Cy Young caliber season, the other is having a season that is a little above average. Clemens is no longer close to the type of pitcher Beckett is.

[Basketball Jesus]

I love cmaff in a totally platonic and nohomo way. He's like a PG-13 version of vyse.