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Post#141 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:18 pm

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sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Oh also, and I'm sure docs can attest to this. We already run our hospitals at capacity once corporations successfully took them over. So even 1.6% or whatever the regular flu is annually stresses our hospitals to max cap. What do you think will happen when close to HALF (on the high end) of all America contracts this thing?


One of the many reasons we must take this pandemic seriously..

Reading through this thread was like driving by a car wreck. Just couldn’t help but continue to read as bad as a certain poster’s takes were :lol:

Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.


I feel like that Medium article I posted was written specifically for you. If you haven’t read it, please do.

Focus on growth rates and what has happened in countries that were hit first and then countries like Italy that chose not to take this seriously.

A measured one-to-one response is not appropriate. You have to remain ahead of something like this. I fully appreciate the unfortunate circumstances of what that overreaction brings but hard choices have to be made. I don’t envy world leaders right now.
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Post#142 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:20 pm

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sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Oh also, and I'm sure docs can attest to this. We already run our hospitals at capacity once corporations successfully took them over. So even 1.6% or whatever the regular flu is annually stresses our hospitals to max cap. What do you think will happen when close to HALF (on the high end) of all America contracts this thing?


One of the many reasons we must take this pandemic seriously..

Reading through this thread was like driving by a car wreck. Just couldn’t help but continue to read as bad as a certain poster’s takes were :lol:

Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.

Hardly takes an expert level understanding to understand this is a serious situation, and the effects of the pandemic can be felt in many different ways other than raw fatality numbers.

But continue to blame the response on PC culture and snowflakes.
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Post#143 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:23 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:
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One of the many reasons we must take this pandemic seriously..

Reading through this thread was like driving by a car wreck. Just couldn’t help but continue to read as bad as a certain poster’s takes were :lol:

Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.

Hardly takes an expert level understanding to understand this is a serious situation, and the effects of the pandemic can be felt in many different ways other than raw fatality numbers.

But continue to blame the response on PC culture and snowflakes.

I literally never mentioned snowflakes aside from clearly stating that I’m not going there.

The irony here is that the entire thread, I’ve been questioning the raw numbers trying to analyze context while being attacked as some idiot for not swallowing the doom and gloom narrative that seems to be prevalent at the moment.
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Post#144 » by penny_nz » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:26 pm

Hell of a news day, then wake up this morning and Melbourne GP postponed...

Economic fallout from this is going to be enormous
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Post#145 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:30 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:
One of the many reasons we must take this pandemic seriously..

Reading through this thread was like driving by a car wreck. Just couldn’t help but continue to read as bad as a certain poster’s takes were :lol:

Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.


I feel like that Medium article I posted was written specifically for you. If you haven’t read it, please do.

Focus on growth rates and what has happened in countries that were hit first and then countries like Italy that chose not to take this seriously.

A measured one-to-one response is not appropriate. You have to remain ahead of something like this. I fully appreciate the unfortunate circumstances of what that overreaction brings but hard choices have to be made. I don’t envy world leaders right now.

I did actually read what you posted and it was good information—when you say “written for you ”, I want to be clear that I have a decent understanding of the fact that infection rates of this virus are very high and that our lack of anti-viral medication compounds the seriousness of this all. My point has been that we are approaching very serious repercussions as a result of pressure on leaders and industries to do something to “save us all” I guess when it would appear that only a specific group of people has reason to be especially fearful of a COVID19 infection.

Someone else here brought up a good point that we are relying on a lot of info from China as well, who we know isn’t always transparent. Maybe this virus is much worse than it seems but MY conclusion looking at the same numbers as everyone else is that I must question the context of scary looking numbers before I respond in a panic.

Not directed at you, but forgive me also for relying on the input of a medical doctor who happens to be “my girlfriend” which I suppose discounts whatever information I receive from that source.
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Post#146 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:35 pm

EAS Law wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.

Hardly takes an expert level understanding to understand this is a serious situation, and the effects of the pandemic can be felt in many different ways other than raw fatality numbers.

But continue to blame the response on PC culture and snowflakes.

I literally never mentioned snowflakes aside from clearly stating that I’m not going there.

The irony here is that the entire thread, I’ve been questioning the raw numbers trying to analyze context while being attacked as some idiot for not swallowing the doom and gloom narrative that seems to be prevalent at the moment.
What numbers do you need? It's already been reported that 70 million to 150 million in the United States will be infected and on the low side, 1% of them will die.

I'm not stopping my life but i i fully expect to get it

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Post#147 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:36 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.


I feel like that Medium article I posted was written specifically for you. If you haven’t read it, please do.

Focus on growth rates and what has happened in countries that were hit first and then countries like Italy that chose not to take this seriously.

A measured one-to-one response is not appropriate. You have to remain ahead of something like this. I fully appreciate the unfortunate circumstances of what that overreaction brings but hard choices have to be made. I don’t envy world leaders right now.

I did actually read what you posted and it was good information—when you say “people like you”, I want to be clear that I have a decent understanding of the fact that infection rates of this virus are very high and that our lack of anti-viral medication compounds the seriousness of this all. My point has been that we are approaching very serious repercussions as a result of pressure on leaders and industries to do something to “save us all” I guess when it would appear that only a specific group of people has reason to be especially fearful of a COVID19 infection.

Someone else here brought up a good point that we are relying on a lot of info from China as well, who we know isn’t always transparent. Maybe this virus is much worse than it seems but MY conclusion looking at the same numbers as everyone else is that I must question the context of scary looking numbers before I respond in a panic.

Not directed at you, but forgive me also for relying on the input of a medical doctor who happens to be “my girlfriend” which I suppose discounts whatever information I receive from that source.


Some of this is false.

We are not basing “a lot” of this on information from China. In fact, that is a part of the problem. Due to the data black box that is China, the world has been late to the party of information to a large degree.

This is likely why some early impact countries in Europe chose not to take this seriously. Now we are getting better information from more reliable sources. Sadly, it comes at the cost of health and life of allies.
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Post#148 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:41 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
I feel like that Medium article I posted was written specifically for you. If you haven’t read it, please do.

Focus on growth rates and what has happened in countries that were hit first and then countries like Italy that chose not to take this seriously.

A measured one-to-one response is not appropriate. You have to remain ahead of something like this. I fully appreciate the unfortunate circumstances of what that overreaction brings but hard choices have to be made. I don’t envy world leaders right now.

I did actually read what you posted and it was good information—when you say “people like you”, I want to be clear that I have a decent understanding of the fact that infection rates of this virus are very high and that our lack of anti-viral medication compounds the seriousness of this all. My point has been that we are approaching very serious repercussions as a result of pressure on leaders and industries to do something to “save us all” I guess when it would appear that only a specific group of people has reason to be especially fearful of a COVID19 infection.

Someone else here brought up a good point that we are relying on a lot of info from China as well, who we know isn’t always transparent. Maybe this virus is much worse than it seems but MY conclusion looking at the same numbers as everyone else is that I must question the context of scary looking numbers before I respond in a panic.

Not directed at you, but forgive me also for relying on the input of a medical doctor who happens to be “my girlfriend” which I suppose discounts whatever information I receive from that source.


Some of this is false.

We are not basing “a lot” of this on information from China. In fact, that is a part of the problem. Due to the data black box that is China, the world has been late to the party of information to a large degree.

This is likely why some early impact countries in Europe chose not to take this seriously. Now we are getting better information from more reliable sources. Sadly, it comes at the cost of health and life of allies.

This is why I’ve been arguing with everyone all day I guess.

What is false? The stats we have globally are largely based on numbers and information gathered from cases out of China. I’m not commenting on the pathology of the virus or anything else—simply stating that we are relying on information from the apparent source of the outbreak which isn’t known for honesty and transparency.
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Post#149 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:44 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:Donavan Mitchell tests positive


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Fournier getting killed on Twitter for defending Gobert.


It was dumb for him to act this way but for fans to treat him like he is patient zero is way too much. Same for Representative Gaetz who wore a gas mask to a house vote to mock the virus concern and then he ended up having to get himself quarantined, it was dumb but cant focus on that right now.
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Post#150 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:50 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:Donavan Mitchell tests positive


Read on Twitter


Fournier getting killed on Twitter for defending Gobert.


It was dumb for him to act this way but for fans to treat him like he is patient zero is way too much. Same for Representative Gaetz who wore a gas mask to a house vote to mock the virus concern and then he ended up having to get himself quarantined, it was dumb but cant focus on that right now.
Even President Trump has mocked the virus and continued shaking everyone's hand. Now the president of Brazil who he just shook hands with the other day has Covid-19.

https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/12/coronavirus-brazilian-official-who-met-trump-tests-positive.html?usqp=mq331AQRKAGYAeu22K7Qh9ii8wGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F03%2F12%2Fcoronavirus-brazilian-official-who-met-trump-tests-positive.html

Edit: the president of Brazil doesn't have it, his aide does.

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Post#151 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:50 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:Donavan Mitchell tests positive


Read on Twitter


Fournier getting killed on Twitter for defending Gobert.


It was dumb for him to act this way but for fans to treat him like he is patient zero is way too much. Same for Representative Gaetz who wore a gas mask to a house vote to mock the virus concern and then he ended up having to get himself quarantined, it was dumb but cant focus on that right now.

Agreed. There is no telling who initially contracted the virus and may have spread it along. It isn’t necessarily true either that nobody would have contracted the virus but for Gobert’s actions.
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Post#153 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:00 pm

Correction, the president of Brazil shown shaking hands with Trump on March 7th, tested positive for Covid-19.

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Post#154 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:02 pm

EAS Law wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.


I feel like that Medium article I posted was written specifically for you. If you haven’t read it, please do.

Focus on growth rates and what has happened in countries that were hit first and then countries like Italy that chose not to take this seriously.

A measured one-to-one response is not appropriate. You have to remain ahead of something like this. I fully appreciate the unfortunate circumstances of what that overreaction brings but hard choices have to be made. I don’t envy world leaders right now.

I did actually read what you posted and it was good information—when you say “written for you ”, I want to be clear that I have a decent understanding of the fact that infection rates of this virus are very high and that our lack of anti-viral medication compounds the seriousness of this all. My point has been that we are approaching very serious repercussions as a result of pressure on leaders and industries to do something to “save us all” I guess when it would appear that only a specific group of people has reason to be especially fearful of a COVID19 infection.

Someone else here brought up a good point that we are relying on a lot of info from China as well, who we know isn’t always transparent. Maybe this virus is much worse than it seems but MY conclusion looking at the same numbers as everyone else is that I must question the context of scary looking numbers before I respond in a panic.

Not directed at you, but forgive me also for relying on the input of a medical doctor who happens to be “my girlfriend” which I suppose discounts whatever information I receive from that source.

i think the thing was, it was the way you dismissed any concern.

this was your first response on the post about the season being suspended
This is ridiculous. Mass hysteria over nothing and PC culture coming in hot.


COVID 19 is more lethal than the common flu, but not by much

depending which numbers you look at, its anywhere from 10x to 30x more deadly.

I’m saying that the speculation here is counter to what most doctors are telling the public and causing tons of issues over something that is likely not as serious as it is being portrayed.

most doctors have been saying its serious. I even posted what Anthony Fauci, head of Infectious diseases stated.

Lmao so there will be 7.7 billion cases of COVID 19 by the end of the year? You’re assuming the 3% remains constant and also that every person on the planet will contract the disease. Pretty bold.

its not that there will be that many cases, just that many people exposed to it.

Plus again, you assume that 3% will remain constant. Generally, as more cases come in and if the virus behaves in the way many doctors currently suspect, the mortality rate will drop.

unless it mutates. And also, we still have no vaccine for it. It could mutate to be vaccine proof, similar to what happened with mrsa

Thank you for your holier than thou approach and your input as an ortho


i'll just say, as an ortho, he has tons more experience than i will have in the health field.

not trying to post these as an attack, just showing how people were viewing your posts and attitude about it. you seem to discount any view of caution as nothing more than hype. by your later posts today, you seemed willing to view this in a different light.
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Post#155 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:13 pm

tiderulz wrote:
EAS Law wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
I feel like that Medium article I posted was written specifically for you. If you haven’t read it, please do.

Focus on growth rates and what has happened in countries that were hit first and then countries like Italy that chose not to take this seriously.

A measured one-to-one response is not appropriate. You have to remain ahead of something like this. I fully appreciate the unfortunate circumstances of what that overreaction brings but hard choices have to be made. I don’t envy world leaders right now.

I did actually read what you posted and it was good information—when you say “written for you ”, I want to be clear that I have a decent understanding of the fact that infection rates of this virus are very high and that our lack of anti-viral medication compounds the seriousness of this all. My point has been that we are approaching very serious repercussions as a result of pressure on leaders and industries to do something to “save us all” I guess when it would appear that only a specific group of people has reason to be especially fearful of a COVID19 infection.

Someone else here brought up a good point that we are relying on a lot of info from China as well, who we know isn’t always transparent. Maybe this virus is much worse than it seems but MY conclusion looking at the same numbers as everyone else is that I must question the context of scary looking numbers before I respond in a panic.

Not directed at you, but forgive me also for relying on the input of a medical doctor who happens to be “my girlfriend” which I suppose discounts whatever information I receive from that source.

i think the thing was, it was the way you dismissed any concern.

this was your first response on the post about the season being suspended
This is ridiculous. Mass hysteria over nothing and PC culture coming in hot.


COVID 19 is more lethal than the common flu, but not by much

depending which numbers you look at, its anywhere from 10x to 30x more deadly.

I’m saying that the speculation here is counter to what most doctors are telling the public and causing tons of issues over something that is likely not as serious as it is being portrayed.

most doctors have been saying its serious. I even posted what Anthony Fauci, head of Infectious diseases stated.

Lmao so there will be 7.7 billion cases of COVID 19 by the end of the year? You’re assuming the 3% remains constant and also that every person on the planet will contract the disease. Pretty bold.

its not that there will be that many cases, just that many people exposed to it.

Plus again, you assume that 3% will remain constant. Generally, as more cases come in and if the virus behaves in the way many doctors currently suspect, the mortality rate will drop.

unless it mutates. And also, we still have no vaccine for it. It could mutate to be vaccine proof, similar to what happened with mrsa

Thank you for your holier than thou approach and your input as an ortho


i'll just say, as an ortho, he has tons more experience than i will have in the health field.

not trying to post these as an attack, just showing how people were viewing your posts and attitude about it. you seem to discount any view of caution as nothing more than hype. by your later posts today, you seemed willing to view this in a different light.

I can appreciate that—especially my first post. I do believe that the response bringing the world to a halt is too much and that as we know it now, the virus is not a death sentence. I feel like that’s where people are taking this. My conclusions after looking at the data show me that the virus is a major problem for people who are susceptible to complications from any virus and not a big deal to those that are otherwise healthy. This is what I’ve been trying to say and I THINK spinedoc more or less confirmed that in an earlier post.

Meanwhile I’ve become the local idiot apparently for expressing those thoughts because they don’t echo the hive-minded panic that’s taking over.

The panic fuels speculation and what ifs that range from likely to improbable which is unnecessarily destructive. There’s also a lot of blame going around for something that seems unavoidable whether you take it very seriously or don’t.
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Post#156 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:14 pm

People and doctors are begging for tests and the CDC only tested 8 people in a 24 hour period.

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Post#157 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:16 pm

EAS Law wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
EAS Law wrote:I did actually read what you posted and it was good information—when you say “written for you ”, I want to be clear that I have a decent understanding of the fact that infection rates of this virus are very high and that our lack of anti-viral medication compounds the seriousness of this all. My point has been that we are approaching very serious repercussions as a result of pressure on leaders and industries to do something to “save us all” I guess when it would appear that only a specific group of people has reason to be especially fearful of a COVID19 infection.

Someone else here brought up a good point that we are relying on a lot of info from China as well, who we know isn’t always transparent. Maybe this virus is much worse than it seems but MY conclusion looking at the same numbers as everyone else is that I must question the context of scary looking numbers before I respond in a panic.

Not directed at you, but forgive me also for relying on the input of a medical doctor who happens to be “my girlfriend” which I suppose discounts whatever information I receive from that source.

i think the thing was, it was the way you dismissed any concern.

this was your first response on the post about the season being suspended
This is ridiculous. Mass hysteria over nothing and PC culture coming in hot.


COVID 19 is more lethal than the common flu, but not by much

depending which numbers you look at, its anywhere from 10x to 30x more deadly.

I’m saying that the speculation here is counter to what most doctors are telling the public and causing tons of issues over something that is likely not as serious as it is being portrayed.

most doctors have been saying its serious. I even posted what Anthony Fauci, head of Infectious diseases stated.

Lmao so there will be 7.7 billion cases of COVID 19 by the end of the year? You’re assuming the 3% remains constant and also that every person on the planet will contract the disease. Pretty bold.

its not that there will be that many cases, just that many people exposed to it.

Plus again, you assume that 3% will remain constant. Generally, as more cases come in and if the virus behaves in the way many doctors currently suspect, the mortality rate will drop.

unless it mutates. And also, we still have no vaccine for it. It could mutate to be vaccine proof, similar to what happened with mrsa

Thank you for your holier than thou approach and your input as an ortho


i'll just say, as an ortho, he has tons more experience than i will have in the health field.

not trying to post these as an attack, just showing how people were viewing your posts and attitude about it. you seem to discount any view of caution as nothing more than hype. by your later posts today, you seemed willing to view this in a different light.

I can appreciate that—especially my first post. I do believe that the response bringing the world to a halt is too much and that as we know it now, the virus is not a death sentence. I feel like that’s where people are taking this. My conclusions after looking at the data show me that the virus is a major problem for people who are susceptible to complications from any virus and not a big deal to those that are otherwise healthy. This is what I’ve been trying to say and I THINK spinedoc more or less confirmed that in an earlier post.

Meanwhile I’ve become the local idiot apparently for expressing those thoughts because they don’t echo the hive-minded panic that’s taking over.

The panic fuels speculation and what ifs that range from likely to improbable which is unnecessarily destructive. There’s also a lot of blame going around for something that seems unavoidable whether you take it very seriously or don’t.

i agree it isnt a death sentence. but bringing things to a halt slows the spread. They have estimated that in just 4 days, all 30 nba teams had either been exposed to Gobert or to someone he played against. thats just 1 person. so we may not all contract or carry the virus, but we will all be exposed to it fairly soon, no matter what measure we take.

And i havent seen panic on here, mostly discussion from legitimate website about trends, rates and information.
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Post#158 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:18 pm

basketballRob wrote:People and doctors are begging for tests and the CDC only tested 8 people in a 24 hour period.

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Post#159 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:19 pm

basketballRob wrote:People and doctors are begging for tests and the CDC only tested 8 people in a 24 hour period.

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It doesn't matter your political persuasion, this is downright inexcusable and overwhelmingly negligent.
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Post#160 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:29 pm

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basketballRob wrote:People and doctors are begging for tests and the CDC only tested 8 people in a 24 hour period.

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It doesn't matter your political persuasion, this is downright inexcusable and overwhelmingly negligent.

Sorry, but how can this be true when we know at least two basketball teams were tested within the last 24 hours?

Is the outrage because the CDC did not conduct tests, but other sources conducted tests?

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