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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1841 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:30 am

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K-DOT wrote:My thing about taking Wiseman is, how many good teams are built offensively around dominant bigs?

You have the Nuggets, the Sixers, and arguably the Pacers and Magic (who I'm really stretching the definition of "good" here), and that's it.

Even with guys like KAT and AD, it's been really a struggle for teams to build consistent good teams around them

So for me, I think it'd be better for us to roll with Mitch and use our pick on a good wing/guard prospect. The issue, of course, being that there really isn't a great prospect in this draft. Maybe Anthony Edwards, or LaMelo if you're really high on him, but I think Wiseman is clearly BPA

I'd take Edwards over Wiseman, but that's about it. If nobody offers a godfather deal, just take Wiseman then


I think your analysis on bigs in the NBA is spot on but I'm kinda surprised the only wing/guard you like better than Wiseman is Edwards. Is it because you just don't like LaMelo and Hayes or you're just higher on Wiseman?

I'm not really big on Hayes, he could be good, but I think Wiseman has a much higher ceiling

LaMelo is just a really hard prospect for me to grade. I think even at his peak, I don't see him being a great scorer (and his defense is pretty lackluster), but his vision is great and he shows flashes of at least being able to shoot. He reminds me a lot of Lonzo, only difference being I can't remember if Lonzo's defense was as bad in college

I honestly might take Haliburton over them, I think Haliburton gives you pretty much everything Lonzo does, but he's shorter and not as good of a passer. But he is much more developed, and a near perfect fit next to RJ if everything pans out

Deni Avdija is someone I'm gonna pay attention to too, I think he's gonna start rising up the boards. Haven't seen enough of him yet though



I've really gone a full 180 on LaMelo. I really couldn't get lonzo out of my head either when I first started watching him but I think there's some pretty major differences. They're IQ, vision, and passing are very similar but LaMelo's handles are way more advanced than his brothers and he's got much better touch too. There's a bunch of floaters in his bag and not a horrendous free throw shooter. I think he will be more successful in the half court right away because of that. He's got a bunch of step backs and other dribble moves that Lonzo just doesn't have and his jumper is less broken. He's got this weird, two handed push shot but I think once he gets stronger it will work itself out.

I was higher on Haliburton a few weeks ago. RJ has met my expectations but I'm not convinced he's a primary ball handler and everything I read about Haliburton that he's not one either.

I'm a fan of Avija but he's definitely going to get over drafted because there's some similarities to Luka. There's some good scouting videos within the last 10 pages of the thread if you want to check him out some.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1842 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:37 am

HerSports85 wrote:Anything outside of the top 3 and we’re drafting Cole.

I think Haliburton injury will hurt him and we might not be so willing to draft another foreign player (Hayes and Deni)

Plus I think our FO sees the upside in Cole and think this season was a wash because the talent he had around him

Just trying to talk myself into this pick.

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Here's KT scouting report about him and it made me feel a little less bad about potentially drafting him. He's shooting numbers from synergy are really good at least.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1843 » by WargamesX » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:29 am

I hope the knicks choose Hayes and Haliburton over cole if they are still on the board.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1844 » by knickstape21 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:23 pm

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knickstape21 wrote:Gotta bring up Kira Lewis again. He gives me Ja Morant vibes without the hops/athleticism.


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Just vibes. Of course he isn’t Ja, but his speed is killer. Has to tighten up handle and get just a tad craftier.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1845 » by Resistance » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:43 pm

What does a compare and contrast of Kira Lewis versus Fox (Sacramento) look like?
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1846 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:34 pm

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1847 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:40 pm

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Still holding out hope.

Get it done leon/lavar!!!!

Is that your twitter account lol
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1848 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:44 pm

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Still holding out hope.

Get it done leon/lavar!!!!

Is that your twitter account lol


to add to that point, from this video. No NBA in there right mind is going to go over the screen to allow that pass vs LaMelo when he can't shoot for sh*t.
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Post#1849 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:32 pm

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Still holding out hope.

Get it done leon/lavar!!!!

Is that your twitter account lol


:lol: nah
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Post#1850 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:43 pm

Man, I would still take LaMelo #1. Highest upside imo.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1851 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:01 pm

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Still holding out hope.

Get it done leon/lavar!!!!

Is that your twitter account lol


to add to that point, from this video. No NBA in there right mind is going to go over the screen to allow that pass vs LaMelo when he can't shoot for sh*t.

Yeah he needs to fix his shot if he wants to be effective in the NBA. Maybe he proves everybody wrong like Ja. Ja can shoot it a bit now. Maybe Lamelo does the same thing. I won’t bet on it though.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1852 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:12 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Is that your twitter account lol


to add to that point, from this video. No NBA in there right mind is going to go over the screen to allow that pass vs LaMelo when he can't shoot for sh*t.

Yeah he needs to fix his shot if he wants to be effective in the NBA. Maybe he proves everybody wrong like Ja. Ja can shoot it a bit now. Maybe Lamelo does the same thing. I won’t bet on it though.


Ja still shot it at a 36% clip his soph year so while the off the dribble shooting was a question mark like LaMelo the shots were still going in a a much higher rate.

25% from 3 is pretty atrocious no matter how you look at it.
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Post#1853 » by moocow007 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:13 pm

On Cole Anthony...you guys want to see great stats? Check out Stephon Marbury's stats at GT. Cole's like a mini-Steph.

Cole Anthony is a shoot first and shoot second PG. That may result in nice stats but will it really help a team win?

Yes, he has some really nice skills and he's fearless. NY type player. But we've had plenty of those types that you guys have chased out with torches and pitchforks. And I'll use the same argument that have been used to attack the "nice stat" guys on this team...how valuable are those stats if he's on a bad team and he can't help them win...especially when it counts (conference play)?

Cole Anthony is an excellent individual player. No doubt.
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Post#1855 » by moocow007 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:18 pm

If you are going to draft a PG that PG should do the types of PG things that you normally attribute to condusive of helping his team win.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1856 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:19 pm

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to add to that point, from this video. No NBA in there right mind is going to go over the screen to allow that pass vs LaMelo when he can't shoot for sh*t.

Yeah he needs to fix his shot if he wants to be effective in the NBA. Maybe he proves everybody wrong like Ja. Ja can shoot it a bit now. Maybe Lamelo does the same thing. I won’t bet on it though.


Ja still shot it at a 36% clip his soph year so while the off the dribble shooting was a question mark like LaMelo the shots were still going in a a much higher rate.

25% from 3 is pretty atrocious no matter how you look at it.

Yes the numbers between Ja and Lamelo is quite significant. There was still major questions about Ja’s shot though.

What is Lamelos free throw numbers looking like? I believe Ja was a solid FT shooter as well
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1857 » by moocow007 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:20 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Man, I would still take LaMelo #1. Highest upside imo.


For the Knicks? Yeah. If they end up with the top pick Lamelo should be right at the top of their choice list IMO. The Knicks have actually struggled more consistently on offense than defense. As a team they have no offensive creativity and flow. Everything is mechanical and forced ultimately resulting in them having to rely on guys like Morris and Randle to be more than they are offensively. I'm honestly dubious that short of a Harden or a Westbrook type offensive player that they can find anyone that can go ISO and expect to be effective.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1858 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:22 pm

moocow007 wrote:On Cole Anthony...you guys want to see great stats? Check out Stephon Marbury's stats at GT. Cole's like a mini-Steph.

Cole Anthony is a shoot first and shoot second PG. That may result in nice stats but will it really help a team win?

Yes, he has some really nice skills and he's fearless. NY type player. But we've had plenty of those types that you guys have chased out with torches and pitchforks. And I'll use the same argument that have been used to attack the "nice stat" guys on this team...how valuable are those stats if he's on a bad team and he can't help them win...especially when it counts (conference play)?


yeah I kinda agree. If feel like there will be pressure to take him because the avg fan sees the name knows his father sees he's from NY and see's the raw numbers he puts up.

But was a 50% true shooting percentage guard this year which just aint gunna got it for a shoot first PG. While its difficult to win with a shoot first PG. Damian Lillard comes to mind (they both can get assists but they do it because they are threats to score) he just doesn't do it efficiently enough to not be more of a ball distributor.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1859 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:24 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah he needs to fix his shot if he wants to be effective in the NBA. Maybe he proves everybody wrong like Ja. Ja can shoot it a bit now. Maybe Lamelo does the same thing. I won’t bet on it though.


Ja still shot it at a 36% clip his soph year so while the off the dribble shooting was a question mark like LaMelo the shots were still going in a a much higher rate.

25% from 3 is pretty atrocious no matter how you look at it.

Yes the numbers between Ja and Lamelo is quite significant. There was still major questions about Ja’s shot though.

What is Lamelos free throw numbers looking like? I believe Ja was a solid FT shooter as well


Ja was a 80% shooting in college which was really good

Melo is like 75% so you can make the case there is room to grow as a shooter.

But the shot simply will make it nearly impossible for him to be a good off the dribble shooter like his brother.

The FT shooting does give the potential to be a solid off the ball shooter if he works on it.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1860 » by moocow007 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:25 pm

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moocow007 wrote:On Cole Anthony...you guys want to see great stats? Check out Stephon Marbury's stats at GT. Cole's like a mini-Steph.

Cole Anthony is a shoot first and shoot second PG. That may result in nice stats but will it really help a team win?

Yes, he has some really nice skills and he's fearless. NY type player. But we've had plenty of those types that you guys have chased out with torches and pitchforks. And I'll use the same argument that have been used to attack the "nice stat" guys on this team...how valuable are those stats if he's on a bad team and he can't help them win...especially when it counts (conference play)?


yeah I kinda agree. If feel like there will be pressure to take him because the avg fan sees the name knows his father sees he's from NY and see's the raw numbers he puts up.

But was a 50% true shooting percentage guard this year which just aint gunna got it for a shoot first PG. While its difficult to win with a shoot first PG. Damian Lillard comes to mind (they both can get assists but they do it because they are threats to score) he just doesn't do it efficiently enough to not be more of a ball distributor.


Lillard was the first guy that came to my mind as well. And Cole Anthony isn't likely ever going to be able to get to Lillards level. Anthony is also relies a lot of brute forcing his way to the basket. That would make me concerned about his durability as well as how efficient he can be (and as we know he's already not that efficient in college) against NBA defenses doing that.

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