lakers2020 wrote:Wagonband wrote:lakers2020 wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
According to article roughly 1% of c19 deaths had 0 illnesses, 25% 1 illness, 25% 2 illnesses, and 49% three illnesses.
So despite the occasional anecdotal evidence, people overwhelmingly dying from this were sick to begin with.
A huge % of the population are "sick", having an illness that requires medication. You can add to that smokers and obese people, and suddenly the at risk group becomes much worse than old people.
I was just listening to a Joe Rogan podcast where he mentions Micheal Yo got it, and it was so bad where he was sure he was going to die... And he said he is a guy that's in shape and far from being a risk group.
So really guys, stay inside... The more people that are smart here, the shorter the impact of this will be
Your source is anecdotal evidence. My source is Italy's National Health Authority. Please follow the rules from the first post in the thread.
I am glad you're one of the few who actually read the first post. No joke. A lot of users don't read.
But your data has been posted ages ago on these threads. I remember posting it the very day that the Italian authorities made it available and then an updated version.
I.e, this was 5 days ago --- this was using a sample from March 20 (the article you posted was from March 17)
At this point, I think people should have a fairly decent understanding that:
- if you are healthy and get sick with covid19, you're likely going to be fine and your body will most likely fight it off on its own
- problem is, you may have no symptoms and be a spreader. And infect others who belong to groups of risks
- you shouldn't even stresss too much about getting tested if your symptoms are mild (there is a shortage of tests, you need to be rational using them). Flag your case to the local health authorities. Just take the necessary precautions to avoid spreading it to others.
It is important to pass on the message that you shouldn't be hysteric about whether you are infected or not. Focus on the symptoms. And focus on keeping the distance. Even inside your house. Just follow the guidelines and monitor your symptoms.
Unless anyone is still very delusional, they know this: everywhere you have reports of hospitals being overwhelmed with cases (they effectively turn into covid-19 hospitals).
It's cool to have some contrarians and edgy opinions that push against the norm, but those "couple of experts" should talk to Spain or Italy. They are recording death rates of 9,9% and 6.6%. Germany has an incredibly low death rate. The way countries test and the way they record these deaths varies, so it's not easy to take the numbers at face value and compare.
We know this: tons of hospitals across the world have a shortage of protection equipment. Ventilators. And beds. They are Military Field Hospitals. Every other hospital is effectively being turned into "covid 19 hospitals" only. This pattern only takes a few days from the very first reported cases that are taken into each hospital.
So while it is important to pass on the message that "we will likely not die from it", it's still a great risk
This is the death rate, by age group, Italy, March 22
Safe to say that no economy or society will go on as normal if they don't fight the spread aggressively --- slow the spread, build testing capacity, track cases better, build hospital capacity. Developed countries already are having a need for triage...
I.e, the UK had been sleep walking for a bit. They woke up to things over the last couple of weeks. And they're already discussing this
It will be months before your parents and grandparents should be allowed out of the house. This is just the reality. I think the message will need to be passed on at some point, your quarantine will slow the spread and flatten the curve, but this thing isn't going to go away soon... we're just buying time.
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