2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[mpharris36]

just what we need. another power forward, who is already 22, and doesn't defend or rebound. hi melo.....you're fired.

doesn't want to sign Christian Wood but wants to use a top 5 draft pick on a player that is christian wood minus the rim protection?

[jvsimonetti0514]

Hard to predict player order when the team order hasn't been established yet but there are some teams who we can predict their targets.

Atlanta likely isn't going to be looking to draft a backup PG with their top pick so they are one team that I can see trading down if they fail to land Edwards. Doubt they have interest in Wiseman because of Collins and Capela. Backup PG and wing depth is their likely goal.

Golden State will probably look at Wiseman as their main target. If they don't land him they can look to fill any backup position including backup PG so they can take anybody.

Cavs are very likely to go after either a wing or stretch 4 so they will have some options there. Very doubtful they take a PG.

Detroit can look to fill many positions so it's hard to predict where they go but if I was to guess I would say PG is their main priority.

Chicago is very likely to target a PG

Charlotte is very likely to target a big or a 2 guard

Washington is very likely to target a PG

Phoenix could go in different directions but likely a stretch 4

This draft could see a lot of teams moving up or down via trades

I'm gonna take a whack at this team needs thing:

Atlanta: Trae Young has a crazy high usage. He's top 5 in the league! Secondary creator to take some pressure off of him is a must. I'm guessing they'd lean Edwards, Avdija, and maybe even Haliburton.

Warriors: It's pretty obviously they want a big. Draymond is washed and the line up of death is over. My guess: Wiseman, Okongwu.

Cavs: I'm with you, they're definitely not a risk to take a PG. It kinda depends if they see Drummond as a long term piece or not. They definitely gave up nothing to get him so it could be either way. My guess: Edwards, Okoro, Avdija, Toppin

Detroit: I'm jealous that they made it to 5th with it's 40/60 chance to move up and like 0% to stay at 5. They're in full on rebuild mode but I'm with you I think they'll lean guard. They really need to go with the guy with the highest upside. Let's just hope they don't take LaMelo or Hayes right in front of us. My guess: Edwards, LaMelo, and Hayes.

Chicago: They did just draft Coby White and Zach Levine does a lot of ball handling too. How much different is Hayes/ Cole from Coby White? I bet they'd a landing spot for one of the bigs, since Carter has been pretty injury prone. My guess: Haliburton or okongwu

Charlotte: Gotta say this is the toughest team to pick for. Do they have a single guy on the team that you'd consider apart of their core? They seem like a team full of role players. They're biggest positional need is a big but they really need a star. I could see them taking a shot at someone like RJ Hampton or Maxey. My guess: Okongwu or RJ Hampton

Washington: Wall is coming back and there's no way he's getting traded at 50 million dollars a year. I don't see how you could banish him with that price tag and develop another PG properly. My guess: Issac Okoro

Phoenix: Ricky Rubio replacement would be my guess. They did just make that Saric trade and there's probably not going to be a stretch big in that late lottery area. It's possible Toppin would be there. My guess: Haliburton, Cole, Hayes.

[3toheadmelo]

just what we need. another power forward, who is already 22, and doesn't defend or rebound. hi melo.....you're fired.

doesn't want to sign Christian Wood but wants to use a top 5 draft pick on a player that is christian wood minus the rim protection?

Christian Wood is still a negative defender and Obi saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood

[Deeeez Knicks]

Ball, Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Cole...There is someone in every range. I would be really surprised if we don't end up with one of those guys.

[mpharris36]

just what we need. another power forward, who is already 22, and doesn't defend or rebound. hi melo.....you're fired.

doesn't want to sign Christian Wood but wants to use a top 5 draft pick on a player that is christian wood minus the rim protection?

Christian Wood is still a negative defender and Obi saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood

and Obi isn't?

Also what do you with the "gawd" Randle if you draft Obi? Already giving up on him?

[mpharris36]

Ball, Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Cole...There is someone in every range. I would be really surprised if we don't end up with one of those guys.

[3toheadmelo]

doesn't want to sign Christian Wood but wants to use a top 5 draft pick on a player that is christian wood minus the rim protection?

Christian Wood is still a negative defender and Obi saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood

and Obi isn't?

Also what do you with the "gawd" Randle if you draft Obi? Already giving up on him?

I never said Obi wasn't. But Obi still saves us from overpaying for Wood.

The gawd Randle will resume to his 6th man role like he did on the Pelicans

[mpharris36]

Christian Wood is still a negative defender and Obi saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood

and Obi isn't?

Also what do you with the "gawd" Randle if you draft Obi? Already giving up on him?

I never said Obi wasn't. But Obi still saves us from overpaying for Wood.

The gawd Randle will resume to his 6th man role like he did on the Pelicans

have you spoken to "da gawd" do you believe he will be ok with being the highest paid player on the team coming of the bench?

[3toheadmelo]

Comparing both of them coming out of college, I think Wiseman might have more potential than Ayton. Wiseman was a better defender, had a better motor, better ball handling. Ayton beats him in scoring, shooting, passing, and rebounding though. But I don't think Wiseman is that far behind in scoring despite being rawer and they are close in rebounding. This is coming from a big Ayton fan also.

Edit: Wiseman also looks bigger to me. Ayton is 6-11 without shoes. I think Wiseman is 7-0 without shoes if I had to guess.

[3toheadmelo]

and Obi isn't?

Also what do you with the "gawd" Randle if you draft Obi? Already giving up on him?

I never said Obi wasn't. But Obi still saves us from overpaying for Wood.

The gawd Randle will resume to his 6th man role like he did on the Pelicans

have you spoken to "da gawd" do you believe he will be ok with being the highest paid player on the team coming of the bench?

Nothing suggests that he would be upset. He's been a good team mate and he always cheers for the team when he's on the bench. So why not? He did it in New Orleans and still got tons of minutes and was way more efficient while putting up 20/10 still.

[HarthorneWingo]

who knows whats going to happen with all this COVID-19 sh*t.

Someone like Wiseman would benefit from more eyes on him...especially with his college career basically shut down before it even started.

From the highlights I saw, the kid is a beast. He has a nice touch from the foul line which is important. He's a prototypical old-school center who can dominate in the post. Maybe he has 3 point capability later, who knows? But for now, he's either getting the ball down low or off the PnR and offensive rebounds. The big question is does he have that killer instinct on the defensive end? That's what'll make all the difference.

He shot 56%from the line in hs and other than the one out of three games he shot well in his ft shooting was around that range.

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/athlete/james-wiseman/4MOaqfTlEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/basketball/stats.htm

One game in college he shot 6/7
The other two games?
9/14
4/6

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/james-wiseman-1/gamelog/9999/

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Damn. Oh well. Fck Wiseman.

Seriously, I was just talking in the abstract to pacify Melo. Not only do I not want Wiseman, he'll be off the board before we select anyhow.

[WargamesX]

Ball, Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Cole...There is someone in every range. I would be really surprised if we don't end up with one of those guys.

As long as we don’t fixate on a pg and then freak out if the wolves draft them early and take SF who plays like a PF we should be good...... maybe

[jvsimonetti0514]

Wasserman did a player comparison for a lot of the top picks the other day. He gave a modern and historic guy for each prospects.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882603-2020-nba-draftd-c-historical-anurrent-pro-comparisons-for-projected-top-picks#slide0

Anthony Edwards
Modern: Zach Lavine
Historic: Vince Carter

Cole Anthony
Modern: Jamal Murray
Historic: Ben Gordon

Deni Avdija
Mordern: Gordon Hayward
Historic: Nic Batum

Isaac Okoro
Modern: Oj Anunoby
Historic: Iguodala (less passing)

Wiseman
Mordern: Hassan Whiteside
Historic: DeAndre Jordan

Killian Hayes
Modern: DeAngelo Russel
Historic: Goran Dragic

LaMelo Ball

Note: There is no one comparison among current NBA players for LaMelo Ball. Luka Doncic is the closest, but the comparison is too far-fetched based on Doncic's unique early success. A blend comparison for Ball was deemed more appropriate.

Modern:Ricky Rubio/Caris LeVert
Historic: Penny Hardaway/Jason Williams

Obi Toppin
Modern: John Collins, Atlanta Hawks
Historic: Stat

Onyeka Okongwu
Modern: Bam
Historic: Alonzo Mourning

Rj Hampton
Modern: Jordan Clarkson
Historic: Prime OJ Mayo

Tyrese Haliburton
Modern: Lonzo Ball
Historic: Jose Calderon

Tyrese Maxey
Modern: Collin Sexton
Historic Eric Gordon

[WargamesX]

Wasserman did a player comparison for a lot of the top picks the other day. He gave a modern and historic guy for each prospects.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882603-2020-nba-draftd-c-historical-anurrent-pro-comparisons-for-projected-top-picks#slide0

Anthony Edwards
Modern: Zach Lavine
Historic: Vince Carter

Cole Anthony
Modern: Jamal Murray
Historic: Ben Gordon

Deni Avdija
Mordern: Gordon Hayward
Historic: Nic Batum

Isaac Okoro
Modern: Oj Anunoby
Historic: Iguodala (less passing)

Wiseman
Mordern: Hassan Whiteside
Historic: DeAndre Jordan

Killian Hayes
Modern: DeAngelo Russel
Historic: Goran Dragic

LaMelo Ball

Note: There is no one comparison among current NBA players for LaMelo Ball. Luka Doncic is the closest, but the comparison is too far-fetched based on Doncic's unique early success. A blend comparison for Ball was deemed more appropriate.

Modern:Ricky Rubio/Caris LeVert
Historic: Penny Hardaway/Jason Williams

Obi Toppin
Modern: John Collins, Atlanta Hawks
Historic: Stat

Onyeka Okongwu
Modern: Bam
Historic: Alonzo Mourning

Rj Hampton
Modern: Jordan Clarkson
Historic: Prime OJ Mayo

Tyrese Haliburton
Modern: Lonzo Ball
Historic: Jose Calderon

Tyrese Maxey
Modern: Collin Sexton
Historic Eric Gordon

How is Haliburton mocked as Jose Calderon and he plays defense? I get the offensive comparison in that he is a Game manager with a outside shot, but they need to explain that.

Also Hayes might be a really good fit if Atkinson is the coach. Though I worry about his fit with RJ since they are both attack the paint guards who are left handed. Them operating in the same spaces on the court is a problem that shouldn’t be ignored.

Also calling ball a modern Penny/Jason Williams..... if that is true he would be worth the cost of Lavar.

[HarthorneWingo]

just what we need. another power forward, who is already 22, and doesn't defend or rebound. hi melo.....you're fired.

doesn't want to sign Christian Wood but wants to use a top 5 draft pick on a player that is christian wood minus the rim protection?

Christian Wood is still a negative defender and Obi saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood

Sign Christian Wood and draft Haliburton

[blanko]

I would go from the Hoop summit and then to now. The Hoop Summit is where he started to address his flaws. Not sure what else you want me to tell you. Cole Anthony was very efficient in high school and was super ineffecient in college. So.. yeah. High school scouting reports don't hold that much weight.

When the guys college career consists of 3 games ... yes highschool games and scouting reports matter.

Because the hoops summit is a allstar/exhibition game.

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Yeah well there's scouts at the Hoop Summit also. And at the practices. He impressed plenty of scouts there due to his motor.

And like I said, Cole Anthony was super efficient in high school and played like the complete opposite in college. So if you want to judge players on meaningless scouting reports then go ahead. I ain't stopping you. Lol

I dont know why you keep bringing up cole anthony. Speaking of scouting reports, cole Anthony's freshman season has many factors than just numbers. Such as the team built around him, his injury, things that add context to numbers. That along with his unc season provides data and information for scouts.

Wiseman has nothing. A few exibition game practices, 1 exibition game, 3 games in college.

Scouting reports of a few practices of an exhibition game is worth way less than a scouting report over a whole highschool career and aau summers. So no, his scouting report is not meaningless.

I get it, you like wiseman but your logic and argument is flawed to say at best.


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[god shammgod]

wiseman as hassan whiteside seems about right

[3toheadmelo]

When the guys college career consists of 3 games ... yes highschool games and scouting reports matter.

Because the hoops summit is a allstar/exhibition game.

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Yeah well there's scouts at the Hoop Summit also. And at the practices. He impressed plenty of scouts there due to his motor.

And like I said, Cole Anthony was super efficient in high school and played like the complete opposite in college. So if you want to judge players on meaningless scouting reports then go ahead. I ain't stopping you. Lol

I dont know why you keep bringing up cole anthony. Speaking of scouting reports, cole Anthony's freshman season has many factors thab just numbers. Such ad the team built around him, his injury, things that add context to numbers. That aling with his unc season provides data and information for scouts.

Wiseman has nothing. A few exibition game practices, 1 exibition game, 3 games in college.

Scouting reports of a few practices of an exhibition game is worth way less than a scouting report over a whole highschool career and aau summers. So no, his scouting report is not meaningless.

I get it, you like wiseman but your logic and argument is flawed to say at best.


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Im bringing it up to show how meaningless your argument is. Like I said, carry on fam.

[3toheadmelo]

doesn't want to sign Christian Wood but wants to use a top 5 draft pick on a player that is christian wood minus the rim protection?

Christian Wood is still a negative defender and Obi saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood

Sign Christian Wood and draft Haliburton

Nah I aint overpaying someone for playing 15 good games. Every team he has been on never wanted to keep him. I wonder why.

[blanko]

Yeah well there's scouts at the Hoop Summit also. And at the practices. He impressed plenty of scouts there due to his motor.

And like I said, Cole Anthony was super efficient in high school and played like the complete opposite in college. So if you want to judge players on meaningless scouting reports then go ahead. I ain't stopping you. Lol

I dont know why you keep bringing up cole anthony. Speaking of scouting reports, cole Anthony's freshman season has many factors thab just numbers. Such ad the team built around him, his injury, things that add context to numbers. That aling with his unc season provides data and information for scouts.

Wiseman has nothing. A few exibition game practices, 1 exibition game, 3 games in college.

Scouting reports of a few practices of an exhibition game is worth way less than a scouting report over a whole highschool career and aau summers. So no, his scouting report is not meaningless.

I get it, you like wiseman but your logic and argument is flawed to say at best.


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Im bringing it up to show how meaningless your argument is. Like I said, carry on fam.

My argument is not meaningless, your great argument is over a few practices at an all star game and 3 games. But hey, do you.

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