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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1081 » by michaelm » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:42 am

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dhsilv2 wrote:And don't new yorkers on average walk WAY more than most americans AND aren't they screwed younger? NYC that is, not the state.That means in areas....say the south, we'd be looking at worse outcomes?


I honestly don't know. Good questions, though.

I think, as someone said before, the relatively colder weather and high density of NYC probably didn't help them much (and NY state also relatively cold). I think I saw that some believe the subways were a big spreader, but not sure.

Having lived in California, that state is a car state. Except for BART (subway) in the Bay Area. That probably helped slow the spread. You have to have a car to go anywhere in California. Social distancing is pretty much built in. :)

Train travel is big time in Europe as well, cf the London Underground and Paris Metro. Probably is in some of the Asian countries as well though.
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Post#1082 » by michaelm » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:01 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
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LOL, I actually did pull out of the market around this time (and let me tell you, i got some KILLER whisky deals when the GBP dropped to ~1.15 was like a Springbank Christmas). Understanding there is risk is not the same as knowing you can beat the market. Sen. Richard Burr was giving speeches on this topic at the end of February and he wasn't speculating as if it were a CHANCE. I never said I knew for a fact it would be this bad or that we'd be seeing this absolute insanity. But all the details and facts were out there to know there was reason for concern.

Just like I can 100% assure you Fauci knew there was reason for concern and was following this topic VERY closely back in January. Just because he chose not to be alarmist when speaking in public is by no means a reasonable argument for you here.


Ok, which one is it. First you said that everyone saw this coming, then you said simply there was reason for concern. Reason for concern is vague and everybody had that regarding the Coronavirus. Heck, Trump restricted travel from China due to concern over the Coronavirus. That is a far cry from "seeing this coming".

There are about 10 exits between "There was reason for concern" and "Everybody should have seen this coming".


Reasonable probability to take actions. Nothing is ever 100%. But the context of this discussion was the inaction of really government's world wide and more directly the US government.

So lets go back to knowing that there have been warnings about a pandemic and the lack of preparedness for years. Not months, years. So as soon as this became a concern which was from the WHO in January, as already cited earlier, that is time to take emergency actions. Again because we already knew we weren't ready and now there's a real threat.

Now to your point, if there was enough risk to restrict travel from China and the rest of the world didn't follow us, then we know it's not going to actually stop it's spread. We know the world is too small a place and that travel between countries is too wide spread.

If this was only a 1% chance, that was FAR more than enough to lead to action from any country knowing they did not have the infrastructure in place to handle an outbreak like this. This kind of thing would never happen in terms of military. If bad meat was being spread, we'd have seen a complete crackdown far earlier. For some reason on infectious disease, it was either dismissed or worse, you forgot the whole world is inter connected.

I don’t think traders should be able to short the market to exploit a crisis for personal gain with complete impunity, but as you say a pandemic was declared, and I don’t see how you can blame people for not ignoring same just because a majority of people were doing so.

My knowledge of trading/the stock market is doubtless inadequate, but shorting the market falls into the making money out of money category for me with no benefit for the community in general or for real businesses and have never understood why It is legal in the first place.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1083 » by Pointgod » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:18 am

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michaelm wrote:As an outside observer this seems very true. I have been watching snippets of both Fox and Friends and CNN (not for extended periods, there are limits to my curiosity) and both seem agenda driven, and more interested in praising or criticising Trump’s handling of the crisis than in what is actually transpiring.


Here’s the thing we’re both outside observers but this isn’t a both sides issue. Trump has been uniquely unqualified to lead in a moment of crisis and he’s screwed this situation up in almost every way imaginable. I don’t watch CNN, but they do provide credible experts on the channel if you don’t want to tune into their opinion segments. I watch MSNBC and they’re really good providing expert analysis but also talking the issue from many different points of view which includes people on the frontlines, policy makers, people from past administrations who were in charge of pandemic responses and unique views on how it disproportionately affects people of colour. Meanwhile Fox News is pushing unfounded claims that it was created in a lab and has idiots like Dr. Phil on there incorrectly claiming more people die in swimming pools than from coronavirus. You can’t talk about the response without criticizing the lack of leadership, it’s plain facts not agenda driven media hype. I think you mentioned you’re from Australia. Well I think your PM is absolute dog ****, but at least you can probably point out specific steps he took to limit the spread and how he actually showed leadership through tone and actions. You don’t have to spin anything because the facts and results can support the argument. Not so much with Trump. The bar is so low with him that if he had shut his mouth and let the experts make decisions he’d be getting all the credit from supposedly bias outlets like CNN. This isn’t inherently political but neither Trump or his supporters can admit that he’s making an extremely tough situation even worse. If you want to get a better idea of what’s happening on the ground in America you should watch the Governor’s addresses.


I am stunned by your stance on MSNBC. Everyone in America knows that MSNBC is to the left what FoxNews is to the right. One of their popular hosts literally said it was his goal to turn Donald Trump’s political bones into dust. How is that fair reporting?


That’s not remotely true at all. You may believe it but reality does not support this stance. I get people might not like the political opinion but MSNBC actually has people who know what the **** they are talking about on. They have actual experts on and people who have worked in previous administrations. They’re also balanced and give credit to both Republican and Democratic Governors that are showing true leadership.

On the other hand Fox News is pure state propaganda. There’s no left equivalent. According to Fox News coronavirus was a Democratic hoax to hurt Trump. it go so bad that they fired an News anchor who said as much. Their whole programming is built around defending Trump and Republicans no matter how stupid. They have complete morons like Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz on spreading misinformation. They know that Trump’s re-election is tied to the economy so they started the “sacrifice lives for the economy” talking point. The problem with being in the tank for Trump is that the Coronavirus is simultaneously a Democratic hoax, yet at the same time his response has been perfect 10/10.

I guarantee if one person spent a week watching only MSNBC as their news source and another person watched Fox News, the person watching MSNBC would come away much more informed and prepared to handle the epidemic.
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Post#1084 » by TheRealKaboom » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:29 am

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TheRealKaboom wrote:
bidde wrote:
Wrong.
Which part of my post is wrong? I'll wait.

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I was answering your question. Those numbers are wrong.

The current population of California is 39.51M and you're saying I'm wrong because I said it was 40M? :lol:

I was off by 569 deaths when I said it was 900. What's that fraction when compared to the total population of the state? You're good with numbers; do the math.

:rofl2:
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Post#1085 » by Fairview4Life » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:57 am

TheRealKaboom wrote:
bidde wrote:
TheRealKaboom wrote:Which part of my post is wrong? I'll wait.

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I was answering your question. Those numbers are wrong.

The current population of California is 39.51M and you're saying I'm wrong because I said it was 40M? :lol:

I was off by 569 deaths when I said it was 900. What's that fraction when compared to the total population of the state? You're good with numbers; do the math.

:rofl2:


39.51 million people in California are not infected with the virus. In part because of the restrictions in place. Just listing the population of a state doesn't mean anything.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1086 » by bidde » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:00 am

TheRealKaboom wrote:
bidde wrote:
TheRealKaboom wrote:Which part of my post is wrong? I'll wait.

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I was answering your question. Those numbers are wrong.

The current population of California is 39.51M and you're saying I'm wrong because I said it was 40M? :lol:

I was off by 569 deaths when I said it was 900. What's that fraction when compared to the total population of the state? You're good with numbers; do the math.

:rofl2:


I guess I just don't understand where you are trying to go with this. Did you want me to tell you they are pretty close? Should I have lied and told you they were right? It's not like I responded to your 10,000 word essay by nitpicking that one number that was slightly off. Those numbers seemed to be the whole point of your post and you explicitly asked for my opinion on them. So... if you were trying to get a point across, maybe try a different approach.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1087 » by basketballRob » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:02 am

Just found out my dad in Ohio has Covid-19 and he's already on oxygen.
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Post#1088 » by TheRealKaboom » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:28 am

Fairview4Life wrote:
TheRealKaboom wrote:
bidde wrote:
I was answering your question. Those numbers are wrong.

The current population of California is 39.51M and you're saying I'm wrong because I said it was 40M? :lol:

I was off by 569 deaths when I said it was 900. What's that fraction when compared to the total population of the state? You're good with numbers; do the math.

:rofl2:


39.51 million people in California are not infected with the virus. In part because of the restrictions in place. Just listing the population of a state doesn't mean anything.

:o

I rounded up and the dude freaked out. Very strange response.

The number of people I said live in the state was 98.775% accurate (do the math).

GB has some weird dudes hanging out here.
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Post#1089 » by Fairview4Life » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:30 am

TheRealKaboom wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
TheRealKaboom wrote:The current population of California is 39.51M and you're saying I'm wrong because I said it was 40M? :lol:

I was off by 569 deaths when I said it was 900. What's that fraction when compared to the total population of the state? You're good with numbers; do the math.

:rofl2:


39.51 million people in California are not infected with the virus. In part because of the restrictions in place. Just listing the population of a state doesn't mean anything.

:o

I rounded up and the dude freaked out. Very strange response.

The number of people I said live in the state was 98.775% accurate (do the math).

GB has some weird dudes hanging out here.


What’s weird is posting an irrelevant number and using to to try and promote a policy position that will get more people killed.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1090 » by michaelm » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:31 am

TheRealKaboom wrote:
bidde wrote:
TheRealKaboom wrote:Which part of my post is wrong? I'll wait.

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I was answering your question. Those numbers are wrong.

The current population of California is 39.51M and you're saying I'm wrong because I said it was 40M? :lol:

I was off by 569 deaths when I said it was 900. What's that fraction when compared to the total population of the state? You're good with numbers; do the math.

:rofl2:

Fair enough on the population obviously. The deaths not so much imo
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Post#1091 » by HollowEarth » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:36 am

basketballRob wrote:Just found out my dad in Ohio has Covid-19 and he's already on oxygen.
Can't imagine that was easy to hear. Hopefully he's able to bounce back to health
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Post#1092 » by Bottomsouth » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:45 am

Pointgod wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Here’s the thing we’re both outside observers but this isn’t a both sides issue. Trump has been uniquely unqualified to lead in a moment of crisis and he’s screwed this situation up in almost every way imaginable. I don’t watch CNN, but they do provide credible experts on the channel if you don’t want to tune into their opinion segments. I watch MSNBC and they’re really good providing expert analysis but also talking the issue from many different points of view which includes people on the frontlines, policy makers, people from past administrations who were in charge of pandemic responses and unique views on how it disproportionately affects people of colour. Meanwhile Fox News is pushing unfounded claims that it was created in a lab and has idiots like Dr. Phil on there incorrectly claiming more people die in swimming pools than from coronavirus. You can’t talk about the response without criticizing the lack of leadership, it’s plain facts not agenda driven media hype. I think you mentioned you’re from Australia. Well I think your PM is absolute dog ****, but at least you can probably point out specific steps he took to limit the spread and how he actually showed leadership through tone and actions. You don’t have to spin anything because the facts and results can support the argument. Not so much with Trump. The bar is so low with him that if he had shut his mouth and let the experts make decisions he’d be getting all the credit from supposedly bias outlets like CNN. This isn’t inherently political but neither Trump or his supporters can admit that he’s making an extremely tough situation even worse. If you want to get a better idea of what’s happening on the ground in America you should watch the Governor’s addresses.


I am stunned by your stance on MSNBC. Everyone in America knows that MSNBC is to the left what FoxNews is to the right. One of their popular hosts literally said it was his goal to turn Donald Trump’s political bones into dust. How is that fair reporting?


That’s not remotely true at all. You may believe it but reality does not support this stance. I get people might not like the political opinion but MSNBC actually has people who know what the **** they are talking about on. They have actual experts on and people who have worked in previous administrations. They’re also balanced and give credit to both Republican and Democratic Governors that are showing true leadership.

On the other hand Fox News is pure state propaganda. There’s no left equivalent. According to Fox News coronavirus was a Democratic hoax to hurt Trump. it go so bad that they fired an News anchor who said as much. Their whole programming is built around defending Trump and Republicans no matter how stupid. They have complete morons like Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz on spreading misinformation. They know that Trump’s re-election is tied to the economy so they started the “sacrifice lives for the economy” talking point. The problem with being in the tank for Trump is that the Coronavirus is simultaneously a Democratic hoax, yet at the same time his response has been perfect 10/10.

I guarantee if one person spent a week watching only MSNBC as their news source and another person watched Fox News, the person watching MSNBC would come away much more informed and prepared to handle the epidemic.


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Post#1093 » by speedfiend » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:25 am

basketballRob wrote:Just found out my dad in Ohio has Covid-19 and he's already on oxygen.


Any chance he could be put on the Remdesivir, or any one of the top proposed treatments' clinical trials (except HCL/CL of course)? If he is over 65, this should be seriously considered.
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Post#1094 » by HMFFL » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:33 am

basketballRob wrote:Just found out my dad in Ohio has Covid-19 and he's already on oxygen.
Keep us posted.
Stay positive and strong.

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Post#1095 » by bondom34 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:32 am

basketballRob wrote:Just found out my dad in Ohio has Covid-19 and he's already on oxygen.

Thoughts and prayers man, can't imagine what you're going through. Best wishes and good vibes your way.
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Post#1096 » by dlts20 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:40 am

basketballRob wrote:Just found out my dad in Ohio has Covid-19 and he's already on oxygen.

Prayers up, homie. I'm scared for my family and the fact that you can't be with them makes it even worse for everyone
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Post#1097 » by dhsilv2 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:05 am

michaelm wrote:I don’t think traders should be able to short the market to exploit a crisis for personal gain with complete impunity, but as you say a pandemic was declared, and I don’t see how you can blame people for not ignoring same just because a majority of people were doing so.

My knowledge of trading/the stock market is doubtless inadequate, but shorting the market falls into the making money out of money category for me with no benefit for the community in general or for real businesses and have never understood why It is legal in the first place.


Not the thread or place for it, but it's essential for a healthy and properly functioning market.
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Post#1098 » by AdagioPace » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:46 am

either Trump has a great sense of humor (inappropiate now) or he is completely out of his mind and should be send to area 51. Can't you activate some impeachment process for "health terrorism"? Simply horrified for you and the world
Imagine Eisenhower uttering such bull lol
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Post#1099 » by michaelm » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:03 am

basketballRob wrote:Just found out my dad in Ohio has Covid-19 and he's already on oxygen.

My hopes and best wishes are with you and your family also.
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Post#1100 » by trending » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:00 am

AdagioPace wrote:either Trump has a great sense of humor (inappropiate now) or he is completely out of his mind and should be send to area 51. Can't you activate some impeachment process for "health terrorism"? Simply horrified for you and the world
Imagine Eisenhower uttering such bull lol


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