Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

[Ruzious]

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Then what was all his bullspit about the states have to do whatever he says? How does he have a different interpretation of the Constitution every other day?

[Ruzious]

So... about using that malaria drug... NO. https://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/ap/more-deaths-no-benefit-from-malaria-drug-in-va-virus-study/article_08836583-b798-5827-98a2-4111b7466bd5.html?

A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

and...

Researchers did not track side effects, but noted a hint that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Apparently there is "something to lose" by trying it.

[queridiculo]

Incredibly tragic story and I wish people would save their vitriol for the people that really deserve it.

Just goes to show you how dangerous the lack of leadership and the games the Trump administration has played with the public truly are.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/23/ohio-funeral-canceled-coronavirus/

He criticized lockdown measures before getting covid-19. As strangers vilified him, his family canceled the live stream of his funeral.

Like many families who have lost someone during the novel coronavirus pandemic, the McDaniel family initially planned to live-stream the funeral for the Ohio father, John W. McDaniel, 60, who died on April 15 after testing positive for the virus.

But his wife, Lisa McDaniel, told friends and family in a letter published by the Snyder Funeral Home in Marion, Ohio, that his Wednesday funeral would instead be privately recorded after her family endured a deluge of angry and even mocking messages from strangers upset that he had described the coronavirus outbreak as a “political ploy.”

“During this time of mourning, John’s story, along with early assumptions that he stated on Twitter and Facebook have turned into national news,” Lisa McDaniel wrote. “This news has opened the flood gates for people to share their own misguided anger and unfounded assumptions about a man they don’t know.”

The story of John McDaniel’s death went viral after his obituary was first published in the Marion Star on April 16. People shared the news with harsh criticism, in some cases essentially blaming him for his own death, for comments he allegedly made on social media before he got sick, but his family says those strangers don’t know the full story.

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[Ruzious]

Incredibly tragic story and I wish people would save their vitriol for the people that really deserve it.

Just goes to show you how dangerous the lack of leadership and the games the Trump administration has played with the public truly are.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/23/ohio-funeral-canceled-coronavirus/

He criticized lockdown measures before getting covid-19. As strangers vilified him, his family canceled the live stream of his funeral.

Like many families who have lost someone during the novel coronavirus pandemic, the McDaniel family initially planned to live-stream the funeral for the Ohio father, John W. McDaniel, 60, who died on April 15 after testing positive for the virus.

But his wife, Lisa McDaniel, told friends and family in a letter published by the Snyder Funeral Home in Marion, Ohio, that his Wednesday funeral would instead be privately recorded after her family endured a deluge of angry and even mocking messages from strangers upset that he had described the coronavirus outbreak as a “political ploy.”

“During this time of mourning, John’s story, along with early assumptions that he stated on Twitter and Facebook have turned into national news,” Lisa McDaniel wrote. “This news has opened the flood gates for people to share their own misguided anger and unfounded assumptions about a man they don’t know.”

The story of John McDaniel’s death went viral after his obituary was first published in the Marion Star on April 16. People shared the news with harsh criticism, in some cases essentially blaming him for his own death, for comments he allegedly made on social media before he got sick, but his family says those strangers don’t know the full story.

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Yup, he made a mistake, but his real mistake was in believing in the President on anything related to science.

[dckingsfan]

So... about using that malaria drug... NO.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/ap/more-deaths-no-benefit-from-malaria-drug-in-va-virus-study/article_08836583-b798-5827-98a2-4111b7466bd5.html?

A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

and...

Researchers did not track side effects, but noted a hint that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Apparently there is "something to lose" by trying it.

Apparently there is "something to lose" by thinking that this POTUS is anything but a serial liar.

[Ruzious]

So... about using that malaria drug... NO.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/ap/more-deaths-no-benefit-from-malaria-drug-in-va-virus-study/article_08836583-b798-5827-98a2-4111b7466bd5.html?

A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

and...

Researchers did not track side effects, but noted a hint that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Apparently there is "something to lose" by trying it.

Apparently there is "something to lose" by thinking that this POTUS is anything but a serial liar.

In the next press conference, a reporter should mention sudden death is a bummer of a side effect from your favorite drug, Mr. President.

[FAH1223]

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Polling so far is consistent. Biden has a lead in the 3 states that Trump barely won to win the electoral college in 2016 (by a total of 78,000 votes). WI being within the margin of error in the average of all these polls.

Biden is in contention in NC, FL, and has consistently been leading in AZ.

And yes, Hillary lead state polls in WI, MI, and PA...but her negatives were much higher than Biden's on favorability.

[Wizardspride]

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Polling so far is consistent. Biden has a lead in the 3 states that Trump barely won to win the electoral college in 2016 (by a total of 78,000 votes). WI being within the margin of error in the average of all these polls.

Biden is in contention in NC, FL, and has consistently been leading in AZ.

And yes, Hillary lead state polls in WI, MI, and PA...but her negatives were much higher than Biden's on favorability.

[Pointgod]

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Polling so far is consistent. Biden has a lead in the 3 states that Trump barely won to win the electoral college in 2016 (by a total of 78,000 votes). WI being within the margin of error in the average of all these polls.

Biden is in contention in NC, FL, and has consistently been leading in AZ.

And yes, Hillary lead state polls in WI, MI, and PA...but her negatives were much higher than Biden's on favorability.

I’m surprised that Biden is leading Wisconsin. The other 3 states don’t surprise me but that came as a shock.

[FAH1223]

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Polling so far is consistent. Biden has a lead in the 3 states that Trump barely won to win the electoral college in 2016 (by a total of 78,000 votes). WI being within the margin of error in the average of all these polls.

Biden is in contention in NC, FL, and has consistently been leading in AZ.

And yes, Hillary lead state polls in WI, MI, and PA...but her negatives were much higher than Biden's on favorability.

I’m surprised that Biden is leading Wisconsin. The other 3 states don’t surprise me but that came as a shock.

Wisconsin is a the tipping point state it looks like. But that liberal judge winning last week by big margins has to fire up Dems. Ben Wikler, who is the Dem Party Chair in WI, is an excellent organizer as well.

It'll be close but it'll come down to can these surges in places like Milwaukee esp amongst the black voters be way up from 2016?

We got a long way to go obviously. Trump campaign and RNC had $98M cash on hand as of 3/31. And you know the dark money groups will flood the airwaves in October to keep Mitch McConnell's hold over the US Senate for another couple years as we saw in October 2016.

[gtn130]

If Trump is seriously worried about losing the election he will have Barr announce some type of investigation into Biden. If Biden somehow wins the election, Trump will say it's rigged and tell everyone he's still President, they need to do a recount, and the DOJ and Republicans will support him.

[Wizardspride]

If Trump is seriously worried about losing the election he will have Barr announce some type of investigation into Biden. If Biden somehow wins the election, Trump will say it's rigged and tell everyone he's still President, they need to do a recount, and the DOJ and Republicans will support him.

At this point I put NOTHING past them.

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[closg00]

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Polling so far is consistent. Biden has a lead in the 3 states that Trump barely won to win the electoral college in 2016 (by a total of 78,000 votes). WI being within the margin of error in the average of all these polls.

Biden is in contention in NC, FL, and has consistently been leading in AZ.

And yes, Hillary lead state polls in WI, MI, and PA...but her negatives were much higher than Biden's on favorability.

Things will tighten, they always do. Biden will need to poll beyond the margin of error to win in those swing states, between voter suppression, purges, and the Russians (an X-factor, I don't trust any poll. Also, coronavirus will be back in the Fall suppressing Dem turnout in Urban areas.

[Pointgod]

If Trump is seriously worried about losing the election he will have Barr announce some type of investigation into Biden. If Biden somehow wins the election, Trump will say it's rigged and tell everyone he's still President, they need to do a recount, and the DOJ and Republicans will support him.

No it’s going to be Hunter Biden, Migrant Caravans (remember those? Lol) again. Trump is not subtle or calculating at all. If there was anything to investigate Joe Biden about he would already floated in the right wing media. Just like those idiots screamed Clinton Foundation, Benghazi over and over again Hunter Biden is the new talking point.

[gtn130]

If Trump is seriously worried about losing the election he will have Barr announce some type of investigation into Biden. If Biden somehow wins the election, Trump will say it's rigged and tell everyone he's still President, they need to do a recount, and the DOJ and Republicans will support him.

No it’s going to be Hunter Biden, Migrant Caravans (remember those? Lol) again. Trump is not subtle or calculating at all. If there was anything to investigate Joe Biden about he would already floated in the right wing media. Just like those idiots screamed Clinton Foundation, Benghazi over and over again Hunter Biden is the new talking point.

Isn't Biden literally being accused of sexual assault? Seems like there are plenty of things Trump could drum up when push comes to shove. None of it even has to be true, but if there is any thread of truth to it, that's a nice bonus for Trump!

I do think this election is a lot different for Trump than 2018 because it's do or die for him. There is no scenario in which he quietly leaves office when he will be facing extreme legal exposure that the office shields him from. He is not too stupid to see this.

I've always found it extremely troubling how recklessly corrupt Trump and Kushner are. Not because of the corruption on its face but because I don't see a plausible end game here that makes any sense other than Trump staying in office for life. Any Democrat administration can easily investigate and prosecute a bottomless well of Trump's crimes and he surely understands that.

There's not much point in doing all of these personal enrichment crimes unless you can keep the money.

[montestewart]

If Trump is seriously worried about losing the election he will have Barr announce some type of investigation into Biden. If Biden somehow wins the election, Trump will say it's rigged and tell everyone he's still President, they need to do a recount, and the DOJ and Republicans will support him.

No it’s going to be Hunter Biden, Migrant Caravans (remember those? Lol) again. Trump is not subtle or calculating at all. If there was anything to investigate Joe Biden about he would already floated in the right wing media. Just like those idiots screamed Clinton Foundation, Benghazi over and over again Hunter Biden is the new talking point.

Isn't Biden literally being accused of sexual assault? Seems like there are plenty of things Trump could drum up when push comes to shove. None of it even has to be true, but if there is any thread of truth to it, that's a nice bonus for Trump!

I do think this election is a lot different for Trump than 2018 because it's do or die for him. There is no scenario in which he quietly leaves office when he will be facing extreme legal exposure that the office shields him from. He is not too stupid to see this.

I've always found it extremely troubling how recklessly corrupt Trump and Kushner are. Not because of the corruption on its face but because I don't see a plausible end game here that makes any sense other than Trump staying in office for life. Any Democrat administration can easily investigate and prosecute a bottomless well of Trump's crimes and he surely understands that.

There's not much point in doing all of these personal enrichment crimes unless you can keep the money.

Trump likely has constitutional expert Rudy Giuliani looking into a president's ability to preemptively pardon himself such that he gets to keep all the loot and cannot be investigated. Alternatively, Trump could resign Jan 19, 2021 (Operation Cut and Run), and Pence could pardon him. Keep an eye on Fox, watch for Jeanine Pirro to float these ideas as perfectly reasonable.

[Ruzious]

No it’s going to be Hunter Biden, Migrant Caravans (remember those? Lol) again. Trump is not subtle or calculating at all. If there was anything to investigate Joe Biden about he would already floated in the right wing media. Just like those idiots screamed Clinton Foundation, Benghazi over and over again Hunter Biden is the new talking point.

Isn't Biden literally being accused of sexual assault? Seems like there are plenty of things Trump could drum up when push comes to shove. None of it even has to be true, but if there is any thread of truth to it, that's a nice bonus for Trump!

I do think this election is a lot different for Trump than 2018 because it's do or die for him. There is no scenario in which he quietly leaves office when he will be facing extreme legal exposure that the office shields him from. He is not too stupid to see this.

I've always found it extremely troubling how recklessly corrupt Trump and Kushner are. Not because of the corruption on its face but because I don't see a plausible end game here that makes any sense other than Trump staying in office for life. Any Democrat administration can easily investigate and prosecute a bottomless well of Trump's crimes and he surely understands that.

There's not much point in doing all of these personal enrichment crimes unless you can keep the money.

Trump likely has constitutional expert Rudy Giuliani looking into a president's ability to preemptively pardon himself such that he gets to keep all the loot and cannot be investigated. Alternatively, Trump could resign Jan 19, 2021 (Operation Cut and Run), and Pence could pardon him. Keep an eye on Fox, watch for Jeanine Pirro to float these ideas as perfectly reasonable.

Or just knock off Ginsburg and Kagan and replace them with Kushner and the a4metioned constitutional expert. What election? He could make himself king.

[montestewart]

Isn't Biden literally being accused of sexual assault? Seems like there are plenty of things Trump could drum up when push comes to shove. None of it even has to be true, but if there is any thread of truth to it, that's a nice bonus for Trump!

I do think this election is a lot different for Trump than 2018 because it's do or die for him. There is no scenario in which he quietly leaves office when he will be facing extreme legal exposure that the office shields him from. He is not too stupid to see this.

I've always found it extremely troubling how recklessly corrupt Trump and Kushner are. Not because of the corruption on its face but because I don't see a plausible end game here that makes any sense other than Trump staying in office for life. Any Democrat administration can easily investigate and prosecute a bottomless well of Trump's crimes and he surely understands that.

There's not much point in doing all of these personal enrichment crimes unless you can keep the money.

Trump likely has constitutional expert Rudy Giuliani looking into a president's ability to preemptively pardon himself such that he gets to keep all the loot and cannot be investigated. Alternatively, Trump could resign Jan 19, 2021 (Operation Cut and Run), and Pence could pardon him. Keep an eye on Fox, watch for Jeanine Pirro to float these ideas as perfectly reasonable.

Or just knock off Ginsburg and Kagan and replace them with Kushner and the a4metioned constitutional expert. What election? He could make himself king.

There is not (as far as I know) any law stating a U.S. Supreme Court justice must be a lawyer, count on Trump to say, "there's no law that says a Supreme Court justice has to be a lawyer. Lawyers are the problem. That's why I'm appointing [the most ridiculous choices imaginable, first floating Dennis Rodman and Kanye West before settling on a general and a Russian billionaire, quickly approved by a republican senate]." Drain the swamp!

[gtn130]

Pence would pardon him for what, though? I thought the Trump admin already looked into this and figured out they can't blanket pardon someone. The rule of law in this case would actually matter because Trump would no longer be in office in this scenario.