ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

Post #361 » by **bisme37** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Post #362 » by **HomoSapien** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:07 pm

Petergrifindor wrote:
Else_where wrote:I'd like to hear names of those 10-15 players better than him. He could have an argument for even Top 3 at the time.

Bird, Magic, Isiah, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Shaq, Penny , Grant Hill, Clyde, Ewing, David, Kobe, Duncan...

Those are some of the players that played while Pippen was active that I would have choosen for my team before Scottie. I don't think he was ever a TOP 5 player of the League.

He is without a doubt the player whose prestige has rised more in the years after his retirement in comparison with what it was while active.

You don’t think he was top 5 in 94??

Sprewell4Three · Post #363 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:27 pm

BodieB wrote:
Petergrifindor wrote:
BodieB wrote:One of my biggest takeaways from these last two is how unfairly Isaiah Thomas' legacy has been dumped on over that stupid handshaking incident.

I don't think his legacy is dumped. Just shows that Zeke could be a jerk, and that he was frequently.

And I loved him as a player, and now he is one of my favorite commentators in the sport. His stories are always so funny.

All of them are jerks. He just made the unfortunate decision to be a jerk to the most likable stars in NBA history.

Zeke is hated in NY on how he mis handled the Knicks. Before people started to hate Dolan there was Zeke.

Petergrifindor · Post #364 » by **Petergrifindor** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:28 pm

HomoSapien wrote:You don’t think he was top 5 in 94??

Not really. Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, David, The Dream, Shaq, Dominique....

Although that was probably his best year, I prefer all the others. You know, people that don't quit in the middle of the game because they didn't get the last shot.

It's hard to say it like that, but it is what it is.

NotaHypeJob · Post #365 » by **NotaHypeJob** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:32 pm

Did MJ ever have steroid allegations when he bulked up back in the day?

Getting that much muscle over one summer at 28 during the early 90's, little suspect looking back at it.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #366 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:02 pm

NotaHypeJob wrote:Did MJ ever have steroid allegations when he bulked up back in the day?

Getting that much muscle over one summer at 28 during the early 90's, little suspect looking back at it.

Didn't you hear it? Instead of doing 6 reps he did 12

Winsome Gerbil · Post #367 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:51 pm

Else_where wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:
Else_where wrote:As for Pippen, clearly his long term deal was a bad decision as the sport was gaining global attention even more and money was flooding but even Scottie said he had to take care of families and maybe he was concerned for a career ending injury, keep in mind the league was quite tough physically back then.

Did Pippen make good chunk from the sponsors and commercials? I sure hope so. He was literally top 5 player in the league at the time.

He was arguably a top 5 player in the league. He was literally a top 20 player in the league.

I'd like to hear names of those 10-15 players better than him. He could have an argument for even Top 3 at the time.

Er, it was an age full of Top 20 all timers. MJ, Mailman, Barkley, Admiral, Hakeem, Shaq, Magic was still there in his early years. Also at various times you would have to rank him vis a vis Stockton, peak Drexler, peak Payton, peak Ewing, peak Penny, Grant Hill was there etc. Marty Conlon. Lot of HOF names. Arguably more than at any other period until the last half dozen years.

Run DLC · Post #368 » by **Run DLC** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:42 pm

I love MJ’s no nonsense attitude both on and off the court. To some, he comes off like an ****; but he’s being himself and doesn’t try hard to be someone he’s not. He still holds a grudge with Thomas to this day even after all these years. I don’t care what anyone say, Kobe was the only closest player to match MJ’s fierce competitive drive. Westbrook, Butler have that fire too, but they aren’t as talented or smart enough to take to it to the next level. That level of mental toughness can’t be taught. It’s either you were born with it or you simply don’t have it in you.

J___Av · Post #369 » by **J___Av** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:03 pm

Run DLC wrote:I love MJ’s no nonsense attitude both on and off the court. To some, he comes off like an ****; but he’s being himself and doesn’t try hard to be someone he’s not. He still holds a grudge with Thomas to this day even after all these years. I don’t care what anyone say, Kobe was the only closest player to match MJ’s fierce competitive drive. Westbrook, Butler have that fire too, but they aren’t as talented or smart enough to take to it to the next level. That level of mental toughness can’t be taught. It’s either you were born with it or you simply don’t have it in you.

Kobe had the competitive drive, but didn't have Jordan's brains or mental toughness.

J___Av · Post #370 » by **J___Av** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:35 pm

Brofessor24 wrote:
BodieB wrote:
Petergrifindor wrote:
I don't think his legacy is dumped. Just shows that Zeke could be a jerk, and that he was frequently.

And I loved him as a player, and now he is one of my favorite commentators in the sport. His stories are always so funny.

All of them are jerks. He just made the unfortunate decision to be a jerk to the most likable stars in NBA history.

IMO MJ is not one of the most likable stars in NBA history.

Sure he was a jerk, but Jordan is literally by far the most liked player in NBA history so how is he not likable?

Brofessor24 · Post #371 » by **Brofessor24** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:04 pm

J___Av wrote:
Brofessor24 wrote:
BodieB wrote:All of them are jerks. He just made the unfortunate decision to be a jerk to the most likable stars in NBA history.

IMO MJ is not one of the most likable stars in NBA history.

Sure he was a jerk, but Jordan is literally by far the most liked player in NBA history so how is he not likable?

How likable someone is, is a subjective matter. I personally can name several other players that I like more than MJ.

Run DLC · Post #372 » by **Run DLC** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:42 pm

LKN wrote:This series is great. I won't spoil anything - but I've seen through episode 8 and there's just so much great stuff.

MJ has never, ever opened up like this before - it's fascinating to see him finally let his guard down in extended sessions.

How are you able to watch the rest of the episodes?

Post #373 » by **Froob** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:00 am

Does Paxton have any good will left with Chicago from his playing days?

Ballerhogger · Post #374 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:05 am

bisme37 wrote:

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Ballerhogger · Post #375 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:06 am

NotaHypeJob wrote:Did MJ ever have steroid allegations when he bulked up back in the day?

Getting that much muscle over one summer at 28 during the early 90's, little suspect looking back at it.

Nope wasnt a thing until early 2000s with sammy sosa and baseball

Ballerhogger · Post #376 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:07 am

J___Av wrote:
Run DLC wrote:I love MJ’s no nonsense attitude both on and off the court. To some, he comes off like an ****; but he’s being himself and doesn’t try hard to be someone he’s not. He still holds a grudge with Thomas to this day even after all these years. I don’t care what anyone say, Kobe was the only closest player to match MJ’s fierce competitive drive. Westbrook, Butler have that fire too, but they aren’t as talented or smart enough to take to it to the next level. That level of mental toughness can’t be taught. It’s either you were born with it or you simply don’t have it in you.

Kobe had the competitive drive, but didn't have Jordan's brains or mental toughness.

What kind nonsense is this the man played with torn acl finished the game. Played with mutily broken fingers through out the championship runs.

jc23 · Post #377 » by **jc23** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:03 am

Froob wrote:Does Paxton have any good will left with Chicago from his playing days?

for me, yes.

BladeDaywalker · Post #378 » by **BladeDaywalker** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:52 am

I am only watching the episodes as they air each Sunday and aren't planning to look at any leaks.

Anyway, as we get into 1997, I hope that it include Rodman becoming a member of the NWO.

My favorite part involving Rodman has everything to do with him and the NWO on Nitro.

I remember how Bob Costas was disgusted with Rodman and his antics especially up showing him on WCW.

This entrance really showcased just how popular wrestling used to be after Hogan joined the NWO in 1996 and the Attitude era began:

Watch on YouTube

lazybatman · Post #379 » by **lazybatman** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:01 am

Drygon wrote:I wish Krause was still alive to provide more of an opposing view. It sucks that he's not around to defend himself.

That's probably going to be my only complaint throughout the series.

Yeah.. the SOB built the damn team and brought in Doug Collins and Phil Jackson exactly when Mike needed them. Deserves a ton of credit. But, Mike's telling his side of the story in this one, so it's more of a perspective thing than the absolute truth.

Imagine having Dan Gilbert or Jim Dolan or Mike himself as an owner / GM instead. Mike's legacy and the entire NBA landscape today would be so different.

lazybatman · Post #380 » by **lazybatman** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:10 am

J___Av wrote:
Brofessor24 wrote:
BodieB wrote:All of them are jerks. He just made the unfortunate decision to be a jerk to the most likable stars in NBA history.

IMO MJ is not one of the most likable stars in NBA history.

Sure he was a jerk, but Jordan is literally by far the most liked player in NBA history so how is he not likable?

Yeah, MJ isn't just liked. He's theee most revered player maybe EVER!!! Dude sold more shoes than Lebron, KD, Kyrie, D-Wade, Kawhi all combined last year.

It may have more to do with the timing of Cable TV+Live Sports & just one dude who didn't give a flying **** about Isaac Newton's life's work.