Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[M-C-G]

Problem is this isn't 1998 and generally the teams that have success with a run-centric offense also have to have a great defense. Hard to argue with anything MLF has brought in considering how quickly he turned this team around last year, but there's a fine line between wanting to run the ball more, and trying to build a modern NFL offense around the Lombardi Sweep.

Looks to me like he's trying to build an offense that mimics the one that destroyed his team twice last season.

And that could be incredibly short-sighted and an overreaction. We shall see.

I agree if we are doing it in response to one playoff game. We aren't, we hired a coach that came from the same coaching tree of the playcaller that destroyed us with this scheme.

I think making this move was always part of the plan, I think this draft was their first steps towards adjusting personnel gaps that saw last year in implementing the offense they want to install.

[crkone]

Looks to me like he's trying to build an offense that mimics the one that destroyed his team twice last season.

And that could be incredibly short-sighted and an overreaction. We shall see.

I agree if we are doing it in response to one playoff game. We aren't, we hired a coach that came from the same coaching tree of the playcaller that destroyed us with this scheme.

I think making this move was always part of the plan, I think this draft was their first steps towards adjusting personnel gaps that saw last year in implementing the offense they want to install.

I think Deguara will be a better blocking Vitale which will allow him to be on the field more than Vitale was.

[msiris]

The last time I checked SF did not win the SB. Maybe we should mimic KC.

[M-C-G]

This whole no receiver narrative gets destroyed when you look at the 4 games in October, when Davante was out.
The packers were significantly better offensively. They spread the ball around, and allowed their backs to make plays out of the backfield. Jones had 49 catches last year, and 22 came during that 4 game stretch.
Simply put, Rodgers had Davante vision last year, and it made our offense predictable at times. And I am sure that is more Rodgers fault than MLF.
Rodgers needs to realize he just isn't the same qb he was 3 years ago.

Sent from my SM-J727T1 using RealGM mobile app

I'm certain there were multiple factors as to why we looked so good over that stretch, could be strength of schedule, could be injuries, but I agree overall, there was something different about this team over that stretch, it was very un-McCarthy era like on offense.

Adams was out weeks 5,6,7,8..so when I look up the results over that stretch;

Week 5 Dallas
Rodgers 22/34 238 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 2 sacks
Aaron Jones 19 for 107, 7 catches 75 yards, 4 TD
High Targets for WR/TE Geronimo 6 targets

Week 6 Detroit
Rodgers 24/39 283 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 1 sacks
Aaron Jones 11 for 47, 4 catches 13 yards, 0 TD
Jamal Williams 14 for 104, 4 catches 32 yards 1TD
High Targets for WR/TE Geronimo 7 targets

Week 7 Oakland
Rodgers 25/31 429 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT, 1 sacks, rush TD
Aaron Jones 12 for 50, 4 catches 33 yards, 1TD
Jamal Williams 3 for 5, 4 catches 26 yards 1TD
High Targets for WR/TE Geronimo 5 targets

Week 8 KC
Rodgers 23/33 305 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 5 sacks
Aaron Jones 13 for 67, 7 catches 159 yards, 2TD
Jamal Williams 7 for 22, 3 catches 14 yards 2TD
High Targets for WR/TE Lazard/Graham 5 targets

Adams averaged 10.6 targets per game. But I also think we got a pretty lucky stretch of teams not playing well or missing some guys.

With that said, the RB involvement was legitimately special for everyone on of those games except Oakland. Can definitely see the allure of adding an upgrade over Williams and using the RB more this year. Also, Geronimo's performance over those first three weeks without Adams were putrid. We had better believe that MVS, ESB or Lazard are ready to step up this year.

[M-C-G]

And that could be incredibly short-sighted and an overreaction. We shall see.

I agree if we are doing it in response to one playoff game. We aren't, we hired a coach that came from the same coaching tree of the playcaller that destroyed us with this scheme.

I think making this move was always part of the plan, I think this draft was their first steps towards adjusting personnel gaps that saw last year in implementing the offense they want to install.

I think Deguara will be a better blocking Vitale which will allow him to be on the field more than Vitale was.

It was strange, because all preseason and training camp reports pointed toward Vitale having a real role on the team. Ended the year with 12 targets. So yeah, they obviously must be high on Deguara being a better version of Vitale that will let them do a number of things they felt like they couldn't last year.

[crkone]

I agree if we are doing it in response to one playoff game. We aren't, we hired a coach that came from the same coaching tree of the playcaller that destroyed us with this scheme.

I think making this move was always part of the plan, I think this draft was their first steps towards adjusting personnel gaps that saw last year in implementing the offense they want to install.

I think Deguara will be a better blocking Vitale which will allow him to be on the field more than Vitale was.

It was strange, because all preseason and training camp reports pointed toward Vitale having a real role on the team. Ended the year with 12 targets. So yeah, they obviously must be high on Deguara being a better version of Vitale that will let them do a number of things they felt like they couldn't last year.

That's the only reason I have for him not playing more. He was awful as a lead blocker. I'm curious to see him under BB.

[trwi7]

This whole no receiver narrative gets destroyed when you look at the 4 games in October, when Davante was out.
The packers were significantly better offensively. They spread the ball around, and allowed their backs to make plays out of the backfield. Jones had 49 catches last year, and 22 came during that 4 game stretch.
Simply put, Rodgers had Davante vision last year, and it made our offense predictable at times. And I am sure that is more Rodgers fault than MLF.
Rodgers needs to realize he just isn't the same qb he was 3 years ago.

Sent from my SM-J727T1 using RealGM mobile app

Receivers dropped over 600 yards of passes last year.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Favre's name surfaces in welfare fraud scheme. Was paid 1 million for appearances he never made:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/audit-brett-favre-paid-11-m-in-welfare-funds-for-appearances-he-didnt-make-015403643.html

That whole situation is pretty sad and I hope Brett wasn't aware of what was going on. The people responsible for stealing all that money should do some jail time.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

[Ayt]

I don't get the "mimic" talk. Even with the mismatched personnel last year, you could tell what kind of offense LaFleur would prefer to run.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Running some ball control offense will also help the defense not get completely drained like they were last season.

The worst the Packers have been in TOP when Rodgers has played a full season is 22nd (they still held the ball for over half the game despite this ranking) in 2016. They also were top 5 in scoring and top 10 in yards per play that year.

In the other years where Rodgers played in at least 15 games they were 7th, 2nd, 7th, 12th, 16th, 6th, 5th and 6th in TOP. Don't blame it on the offense for the defense sucking. They for the most part have scored and kept the ball. Last year the offense kind of sucked and a lot of it was on the receivers so people are understandably baffled/pissed how the draft went down.

I'm not blaming the offense. The defense clearly had well documented issues. But I'm just saying that our defense notably wore down during some of our games last year, especially as they got pummled in the running game, and they seemingly became a sieve during the second half. Anything to avoid quick 3&Outs could help them. It's more like harm reduction rather than a cure.

Ive been wondering if it even makes sense to try to have a dominant D these days. Even the good defenses seem to get beat by the elite Os. Look at San Fran they had a really good D and still got shelled late by maholmes. Makes me wonder if they pack **** up all these years dedicating so much draft capital to that side of the ball.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

[Ron Swanson]

This whole no receiver narrative gets destroyed when you look at the 4 games in October, when Davante was out.
The packers were significantly better offensively. They spread the ball around, and allowed their backs to make plays out of the backfield. Jones had 49 catches last year, and 22 came during that 4 game stretch.
Simply put, Rodgers had Davante vision last year, and it made our offense predictable at times. And I am sure that is more Rodgers fault than MLF.
Rodgers needs to realize he just isn't the same qb he was 3 years ago.

Sent from my SM-J727T1 using RealGM mobile app

Receivers dropped over 600 yards of passes last year.

I'd like to know how much of those 600+ yards were on deep balls to MVS.

[M-C-G]

This whole no receiver narrative gets destroyed when you look at the 4 games in October, when Davante was out.
The packers were significantly better offensively. They spread the ball around, and allowed their backs to make plays out of the backfield. Jones had 49 catches last year, and 22 came during that 4 game stretch.
Simply put, Rodgers had Davante vision last year, and it made our offense predictable at times. And I am sure that is more Rodgers fault than MLF.
Rodgers needs to realize he just isn't the same qb he was 3 years ago.

Sent from my SM-J727T1 using RealGM mobile app

Receivers dropped over 600 yards of passes last year.

I'd like to know how much of those 600+ yards were on deep balls to MVS.

I'd bet Geronimo, Graham and MVS made up about 500+ yards of it.

[M-C-G]

This whole no receiver narrative gets destroyed when you look at the 4 games in October, when Davante was out.
The packers were significantly better offensively. They spread the ball around, and allowed their backs to make plays out of the backfield. Jones had 49 catches last year, and 22 came during that 4 game stretch.
Simply put, Rodgers had Davante vision last year, and it made our offense predictable at times. And I am sure that is more Rodgers fault than MLF.
Rodgers needs to realize he just isn't the same qb he was 3 years ago.

Sent from my SM-J727T1 using RealGM mobile app

Receivers dropped over 600 yards of passes last year.

How is this calculated by the way? I recall a few times Rodgers badly missed guys that were wide open, most notably Aaron Jones. Does that factor in as a drop in this stat?

[Daver]

This whole no receiver narrative gets destroyed when you look at the 4 games in October, when Davante was out.
The packers were significantly better offensively. They spread the ball around, and allowed their backs to make plays out of the backfield. Jones had 49 catches last year, and 22 came during that 4 game stretch.
Simply put, Rodgers had Davante vision last year, and it made our offense predictable at times. And I am sure that is more Rodgers fault than MLF.
Rodgers needs to realize he just isn't the same qb he was 3 years ago.

Sent from my SM-J727T1 using RealGM mobile app

Receivers dropped over 600 yards of passes last year.

Wow that i did not know ok receivers fault now comes rodgers fault how many times did rodgers bounce a pass to his receiver or over throw a wide open one.
How many times a game did you hear the announcers say this wr was wide open yet rodgers would constantly tbrow the ball away
The receivers dont drop 600 yards of passes and rodgerz doesnt over shoot alot of wrs duribg the year you may not be hearing the packers need a upgrade

[DrWood]

The last time I checked SF did not win the SB. Maybe we should mimic KC.

That's where getting Love comes in.

[DrWood]

Receivers dropped over 600 yards of passes last year.

I'd like to know how much of those 600+ yards were on deep balls to MVS.

I'd bet Geronimo, Graham and MVS made up about 500+ yards of it.

I'd bet that 600 yards is pulled out of someone's ass.
They had 24 drops total last season. The highest rate of drops was Allison (9.1%), followed (among guys who had a fair bit of targets) by Adams (5.5%) and MVS (5.4%).

[M-C-G]

I'd like to know how much of those 600+ yards were on deep balls to MVS.

I'd bet Geronimo, Graham and MVS made up about 500+ yards of it.

I'd bet that 600 yards is pulled out of someone's ass.
They had 24 drops total last season. The highest rate of drops was Allison (9.1%), followed (among guys who had a fair bit of targets) by Adams (5.5%) and MVS (5.4%).

I'm just going from memory and for whatever reason, those three guys I can recall big chunk plays they just dropped the ball. MVS and Graham more so on some deep balls. Geronimo I can hardly remember a catch from this season, but can think of a lot of drops.

[Daver]

Is 5.5 % considered alot by a #1

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'll never understand why Allison played as much as he did last season.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

[RRyder823]

Is 5.5 % considered alot by a #1

Not really. Its not great but it's not what should be considered bad.

Drop percentage is a bit of a flawed stat imo though. For one what gets considered a drop varies from site to site and the level of variance based on one play just ends up to high for my liking. (in this case one more drop from Adams or one less makes a pretty drastic difference in the rankings)

Sent from my SM-G975U using RealGM mobile app