OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

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Can’t wait for Joe to invite her on Lawrence O’Donnell’s Last Word.

[Thepaintismine]

I am pretty sure Biden will not be the nominee. For me, first it was his mental health fading (e.g. forgetting names, where he was, talking gibberish, etc.) but this was just released yesterday y'all. This is as Quid Pro Quo as you can get. He's gone, book it Dano.

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[Kampuchea]

I am pretty sure Biden will not be the nominee. For me, first it was his mental health fading (e.g. forgetting names, where he was, talking gibberish, etc.) but this was just released yesterday y'all. This is as Quid Pro Quo as you can get. He's gone, book it Dano.

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Is this the take on it? This makes it seem meaningless.

The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year. They show that Biden, as he has previously said publicly, linked loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country’s prosecutor general in 2015. But Derkach used the new clips to make an array of accusations not proven by the tapes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/ukrainian-lawmaker-releases-leaked-phone-calls-of-biden-and-poroshenko/2020/05/19/cc1e6030-9a26-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

[HarthorneWingo]

I am pretty sure Biden will not be the nominee. For me, first it was his mental health fading (e.g. forgetting names, where he was, talking gibberish, etc.) but this was just released yesterday y'all. This is as Quid Pro Quo as you can get. He's gone, book it Dano.

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Is this the take on it? This makes it seem meaningless.

The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year. They show that Biden, as he has previously said publicly, linked loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country’s prosecutor general in 2015. But Derkach used the new clips to make an array of accusations not proven by the tapes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/ukrainian-lawmaker-releases-leaked-phone-calls-of-biden-and-poroshenko/2020/05/19/cc1e6030-9a26-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

I didn’t watch the video but this mess is not a good look and is certainly something that - along with a laundry list of other baggage issues - Republicans will exploit in campaign ads, Trump’s rants and tweets, and with his attack dogs.

[omerome]

I am pretty sure Biden will not be the nominee. For me, first it was his mental health fading (e.g. forgetting names, where he was, talking gibberish, etc.) but this was just released yesterday y'all. This is as Quid Pro Quo as you can get. He's gone, book it Dano.

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Is this the take on it? This makes it seem meaningless.

The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year. They show that Biden, as he has previously said publicly, linked loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country’s prosecutor general in 2015. But Derkach used the new clips to make an array of accusations not proven by the tapes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/ukrainian-lawmaker-releases-leaked-phone-calls-of-biden-and-poroshenko/2020/05/19/cc1e6030-9a26-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

I didn’t watch the video but this mess is not a good look and is certainly something that - along with a laundry list of other baggage issues - Republicans will exploit in campaign ads, Trump’s rants and tweets, and with his attack dogs.

The republicans attempting to use Biden's gaffes as justification to reelect the guy in the White House is the absolute definition of irony and hypocrisy. Are they really going to go down the road where they are saying that the resident is of sound mind and body? He literally had a doctor lie to the world saying that the resident could have lived up to 200 years if he simply followed a healthier diet over the past 20 years and also expects us to believe this man is 239 pounds. LOL.

The part that worries me most is not the people who believe the republican message, but those that don't and still decide to stay at home and not vote. The supporters of the resident are smart enough to vote. We need to outvote those people.

[j4remi]

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Can’t wait for Joe to invite her on Lawrence O’Donnell’s Last Word.

Whitmer was my favorite of the realistic possibilities floated out there tbh. She's definitely not the gold standard of progressive leftist goals but she's better than the more popular picks that were floating around in that I remember her acknowledging solid ideas. She's another governor who I think benefited from a lefty challenger keeping her honest on ideals like 2 years of free public college and 15 dollar minimum wage for examples.

[j4remi]

The republicans attempting to use Biden's gaffes as justification to reelect the guy in the White House is the absolute definition of irony and hypocrisy. Are they really going to go down the road where they are saying that the resident is of sound mind and body? He literally had a doctor lie to the world saying that the resident could have lived up to 200 years if he simply followed a healthier diet over the past 20 years and also expects us to believe this man is 239 pounds. LOL.

The part that worries me most is not the people who believe the republican message, but those that don't and still decide to stay at home and not vote. The supporters of the resident are smart enough to vote. We need to outvote those people.

The thing is that a decent chunk of people who want to vote face an uphill battle, especially after the Voting Rights Act got shot into oblivion. From voter ID laws that are known to be discriminatory to closing down voting precincts so that people have to wait long periods of time to vote; voter suppression is becoming a common tactic that we're seeing (and just to be clear, while the Republicans have abused it I don't think the Democrats are above it considering Cuomo and to my disappointment Tish James taking up a fight to keep Bernie Sanders off the NY Primary ballot).

All of this is why I think the Dems have completely blown a golden opportunity to put mail-in voting at the forefront of the conversation for safety during this pandemic. It's also why Trump threatened aid to Michigan over mail-in ballots going out to the people...and a bit more of a reach here but I think the targeting of the USPS by this administration might be factoring in the threat of vote by mail to Republicans' chances as well.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Can’t wait for Joe to invite her on Lawrence O’Donnell’s Last Word.

Whitmer was my favorite of the realistic possibilities floated out there tbh. She's definitely not the gold standard of progressive leftist goals but she's better than the more popular picks that were floating around in that I remember her acknowledging solid ideas. She's another governor who I think benefited from a lefty challenger keeping her honest on ideals like 2 years of free public college and 15 dollar minimum wage for examples.

I can live with that. We really need Michigan badly and Biden is down in the polls there against Trump. James Clyburn gonna be PO’d.

[HarthorneWingo]

Is this the take on it? This makes it seem meaningless.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/ukrainian-lawmaker-releases-leaked-phone-calls-of-biden-and-poroshenko/2020/05/19/cc1e6030-9a26-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

I didn’t watch the video but this mess is not a good look and is certainly something that - along with a laundry list of other baggage issues - Republicans will exploit in campaign ads, Trump’s rants and tweets, and with his attack dogs.

The republicans attempting to use Biden's gaffes as justification to reelect the guy in the White House is the absolute definition of irony and hypocrisy. Are they really going to go down the road where they are saying that the resident is of sound mind and body? He literally had a doctor lie to the world saying that the resident could have lived up to 200 years if he simply followed a healthier diet over the past 20 years and also expects us to believe this man is 239 pounds. LOL.

The part that worries me most is not the people who believe the republican message, but those that don't and still decide to stay at home and not vote. The supporters of the resident are smart enough to vote. We need to outvote those people.

I’ve commented on the lack of political enthusiasm for Biden as a potential problem in getting out the vote. I think Biden is also at a clear disadvantage compared to Trump who will dominate TV air time. I’m also concerned about Biden butt-fumbling during a debate notwithstanding his last debate with Bernie.

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[GONYK]

Can’t wait for Joe to invite her on Lawrence O’Donnell’s Last Word.

Whitmer was my favorite of the realistic possibilities floated out there tbh. She's definitely not the gold standard of progressive leftist goals but she's better than the more popular picks that were floating around in that I remember her acknowledging solid ideas. She's another governor who I think benefited from a lefty challenger keeping her honest on ideals like 2 years of free public college and 15 dollar minimum wage for examples.

I can live with that. We really need Michigan badly and Biden is down in the polls there against Trump. James Clyburn gonna be PO’d.

Which polls?

[Pointgod]

Whitmer was my favorite of the realistic possibilities floated out there tbh. She's definitely not the gold standard of progressive leftist goals but she's better than the more popular picks that were floating around in that I remember her acknowledging solid ideas. She's another governor who I think benefited from a lefty challenger keeping her honest on ideals like 2 years of free public college and 15 dollar minimum wage for examples.

I can live with that. We really need Michigan badly and Biden is down in the polls there against Trump. James Clyburn gonna be PO’d.

Which polls?

I don’t know, definitely not this poll though.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498779-poll-biden-holds-11-point-lead-over-trump

The poll shows Biden with an 11-point advantage over Trump in a national head-to-head match-up. Fifty percent of those surveyed said they currently plan on voting for the former vice president, while 39 percent said they would vote for Trump.

[Pointgod]

I didn’t watch the video but this mess is not a good look and is certainly something that - along with a laundry list of other baggage issues - Republicans will exploit in campaign ads, Trump’s rants and tweets, and with his attack dogs.

The republicans attempting to use Biden's gaffes as justification to reelect the guy in the White House is the absolute definition of irony and hypocrisy. Are they really going to go down the road where they are saying that the resident is of sound mind and body? He literally had a doctor lie to the world saying that the resident could have lived up to 200 years if he simply followed a healthier diet over the past 20 years and also expects us to believe this man is 239 pounds. LOL.

The part that worries me most is not the people who believe the republican message, but those that don't and still decide to stay at home and not vote. The supporters of the resident are smart enough to vote. We need to outvote those people.

I’ve commented on the lack of political enthusiasm for Biden as a potential problem in getting out the vote. I think Biden is also at a clear disadvantage compared to Trump who will dominate TV air time. I’m also concerned about Biden butt-fumbling during a debate notwithstanding his last debate with Bernie.

Then ask yourself what YOU’RE doing to change that. Instead of **** on Biden every chance you they, posting misleading audio recordings and lying about his mental health, posters should be enthusiastically calling up friends and family in swing states and purple states to make sure they’re registered and prepared to go vote for Biden. Not singling you out Wingo but anyone who doesn’t want Trump to win should be posting on their social media and creating enthusiasm for Biden. 92000 dead Americans and counting this is literally a life and death situation.

[Kampuchea]

What polls are the reliable ones? Last time the polls told me Hillary was going to win, which ones got it right last election?

[Thepaintismine]

I am pretty sure Biden will not be the nominee. For me, first it was his mental health fading (e.g. forgetting names, where he was, talking gibberish, etc.) but this was just released yesterday y'all. This is as Quid Pro Quo as you can get. He's gone, book it Dano.

Watch on YouTube

Is this the take on it? This makes it seem meaningless.

The recordings played at the news conference Tuesday shed relatively little new light on Biden’s actions in Ukraine, which were at the center of President Trump’s impeachment last year. They show that Biden, as he has previously said publicly, linked loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country’s prosecutor general in 2015. But Derkach used the new clips to make an array of accusations not proven by the tapes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/ukrainian-lawmaker-releases-leaked-phone-calls-of-biden-and-poroshenko/2020/05/19/cc1e6030-9a26-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

I think so, but there are many other calls in question (That Youtube site is Ukrainian I believe and they have 8 or so calls there.)

In the call, Ukraine's then President Poroshenko says that the prosecutor did nothing wrong but we will still fire him because you want that (in order to get the billion.) They don't mention that Biden's son Hunter is on the board of the company being investigated by the prosecutor. And they don't mention Hunter has zero experience in the energy sector but was taking part in meetings dealing in very large sums of money (I forget if if was hundreds of millions or what.) I can't find anything (eva) that that prosecutor did that was wrong and he was a poor guy buy all accounts (not taking dirty money and shizz is what that points at.)

When you add dat to the old Biden video of him saying at the CFR (as it was told at the time anyway) - "You won't get the money if you don't fire the prosecutor." it starts to look bad.

Biden be a big fish and I doubt anything comes of this, but as others said, politically the Republicans will use this and most likely should as it is very questionable and can create a lot o debate in peoples minds. Just like Hillary and the Wikileaks - no charges, but it killed her.

Not sure who I vote for yet, but it won't be Biden. (More for the early onset dementia that he is showing.)
Seriously, can you imagine Biden in a debate with anyone, much less Trump?

[HarthorneWingo]

I can live with that. We really need Michigan badly and Biden is down in the polls there against Trump. James Clyburn gonna be PO’d.

Which polls?

I don’t know, definitely not this poll though.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498779-poll-biden-holds-11-point-lead-over-trump

The poll shows Biden with an 11-point advantage over Trump in a national head-to-head match-up. Fifty percent of those surveyed said they currently plan on voting for the former vice president, while 39 percent said they would vote for Trump.

That’s a national poll.Im talking about individual battleground states. I posted a CNN poll earlier here which set forth the numbers. YOU GUYS AREN’T READING MY POSTS CAREFULLY ENOUGH!!!! (You know who you are. GONYK, next time enlarge the part where I write ”IN MICHIGAN” ) And Pointgod, I’ll set you off easy this time. Just be more careful when reading posts from that sneaky Pete, GONYK, ok? Now I expect an And1 from each of you.

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[Kampuchea]

WOW, BIDEN IS DESTROYING TRUMP!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

[GONYK]

Which polls?

I don’t know, definitely not this poll though.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498779-poll-biden-holds-11-point-lead-over-trump

The poll shows Biden with an 11-point advantage over Trump in a national head-to-head match-up. Fifty percent of those surveyed said they currently plan on voting for the former vice president, while 39 percent said they would vote for Trump.

That’s a national poll.Im talking about individual battleground states. I posted a CNN poll earlier here which set forth the numbers. YOU GUYS AREN’T READING MY POSTS CAREFULLY ENOUGH!!!! (You know who you are. GONYK, next time enlarge the part where I write ”IN MICHIGAN” ) And Pointgod, I’ll set you off easy this time. Just be more careful when reading posts from that sneaky Pete, GONYK, ok? Now I expect an And1 from each of you.

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Wingo, mi amigo, do you even read what you post?

What you just posted doesn't say Biden is behind in Michigan. That's a polling aggregate of all those states. In theory, Biden could be winning 15 of them, but be losing GA by 35 points, and the average would turn out the same.

If you read the actual polling methodology that CNN used for that, they don't even break out the results by state. They just asked 1100 random people from all those states and compiled the results.

In fact, here is a healthy sampling of recent polls published out of Michigan

[j4remi]

Then ask yourself what YOU’RE doing to change that. Instead of **** on Biden every chance you they, posting misleading audio recordings and lying about his mental health, posters should be enthusiastically calling up friends and family in swing states and purple states to make sure they’re registered and prepared to go vote for Biden. Not singling you out Wingo but anyone who doesn’t want Trump to win should be posting on their social media and creating enthusiasm for Biden. 92000 dead Americans and counting this is literally a life and death situation.

I'll stick to pointing out that Trump is a PoS that's setting the country back in ways most people don't even fully grasp instead of lying about my enthusiasm for Biden or pretending his mental state hasn't faded for anyone who watched his debate performances

[Pointgod]

Which polls?

I don’t know, definitely not this poll though.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498779-poll-biden-holds-11-point-lead-over-trump

The poll shows Biden with an 11-point advantage over Trump in a national head-to-head match-up. Fifty percent of those surveyed said they currently plan on voting for the former vice president, while 39 percent said they would vote for Trump.

That’s a national poll.Im talking about individual battleground states. I posted a CNN poll earlier here which set forth the numbers. YOU GUYS AREN’T READING MY POSTS CAREFULLY ENOUGH!!!! (You know who you are. GONYK, next time enlarge the part where I write ”IN MICHIGAN” ) And Pointgod, I’ll set you off easy this time. Just be more careful when reading posts from that sneaky Pete, GONYK, ok? Now I expect an And1 from each of you.

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I do read your posts carefully, but a 11 point lead nationally can’t be explained by simply running up the score in New York and California. Trump is clearly losing ground and losing in some battle ground states. Don’t take my word for it even internal Republican polls say as much.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/18/swing-state-republicans-trump-pandemic-261955

Many fret that Trump’s hopes are now hitched to the pandemic; others point to demographic changes in once-reliably red states and to the challenge of running against a hard-to-define Democratic opponent who appeals to a wide swath of voters. The concerns give voice to an assortment of recent battleground state polling showing Trump struggling against Biden.

Unless Republicans are playing 5D chess by lying about internal polling (that should be more favorable to Trump) to fake out Democrats, then I have no reason to doubt a general trend occurring. Now it’s still way to early and a lot can change so right now the polls can tell us a lot of different things based on methodology and sample.