2020 Offseason

[CrimsonCrew]

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/137077-49ers-offseason-surgery-involving-extensive-cleanup-feels-great/

Good to see how did get the surgery and got things cleaned up with his knee.

He'll always have knee issues but hopefully the surgery will allow him to play more and be even more explosive this upcoming season since there was a big difference with him not in the lineup with the pass rush.

We should have cut him and replace him with Jadeveon Clowney.

This. Ford needs limited reps, and you can’t have too many good pass rushers.

The Ninets’ offseason isn’t making any sense. No CB?

Cutting Ford and signing Clowney would have made no sense. This isn't a video game. There is a salary cap, and cutting Ford would result in $20 million of dead cap space. You can argue they shouldn't have signed Ford last offseason. Cutting him this offseason was not an option.

That said, I totally agree on CB. For the second year in a row, I've considered CB to be one of their top needs, and they have completely ignored it. It's pretty damn baffling. I think they got lucky to get the level of play out of the position that they did this past year - and even with that, all of their losses involved an inability to get stops late in a game. Their top four corners at least are all FAs next year (Moseley a RFA, I think), and they didn't do a thing at the position. It's troubling. I find myself really pulling for Verrett once again....

[Dodub]

We should have cut him and replace him with Jadeveon Clowney.

This. Ford needs limited reps, and you can’t have too many good pass rushers.

The Ninets’ offseason isn’t making any sense. No CB?

Cutting Ford and signing Clowney would have made no sense. This isn't a video game. There is a salary cap, and cutting Ford would result in $20 million of dead cap space. You can argue they shouldn't have signed Ford last offseason. Cutting him this offseason was not an option.

That said, I totally agree on CB. For the second year in a row, I've considered CB to be one of their top needs, and they have completely ignored it. It's pretty damn baffling. I think they got lucky to get the level of play out of the position that they did this past year - and even with that, all of their losses involved an inability to get stops late in a game. Their top four corners at least are all FAs next year (Moseley a RFA, I think), and they didn't do a thing at the position. It's troubling. I find myself really pulling for Verrett once again....

#2 rated secondary in the NFL last season. There’s getting lucky and then there is being #2 in the league. You don’t get lucky and get to #2. Also, we ran 70% zone last season if I’m not mistaken. Then liking the guys that they have is not out of the question considering how well they played last season along with what they’re asked to do.

Another stat is that they allowed the fewest 1st down receptions in the league last year.

[wco81]

There is a concern though. Cap was going to go up next season by as much as $40 million.

But even if they have an uninterrupted season, they may not have any gate revenues. Of course TV money is the big deal but still, that could reduce any cap rise.

Yet 49ers will have big decisions to make after this season.

[CrimsonCrew]

This. Ford needs limited reps, and you can’t have too many good pass rushers.

The Ninets’ offseason isn’t making any sense. No CB?

Cutting Ford and signing Clowney would have made no sense. This isn't a video game. There is a salary cap, and cutting Ford would result in $20 million of dead cap space. You can argue they shouldn't have signed Ford last offseason. Cutting him this offseason was not an option.

That said, I totally agree on CB. For the second year in a row, I've considered CB to be one of their top needs, and they have completely ignored it. It's pretty damn baffling. I think they got lucky to get the level of play out of the position that they did this past year - and even with that, all of their losses involved an inability to get stops late in a game. Their top four corners at least are all FAs next year (Moseley a RFA, I think), and they didn't do a thing at the position. It's troubling. I find myself really pulling for Verrett once again....

#2 rated secondary in the NFL last season. There’s getting lucky and then there is being #2 in the league. You don’t get lucky and get to #2. Also, we ran 70% zone last season if I’m not mistaken. Then liking the guys that they have is not out of the question considering how well they played last season along with what they’re asked to do.

Another stat is that they allowed the fewest 1st down receptions in the league last year.

#2 in the league by what metric? The corners in particular are effectively the same guys who were on the field when the unit was one of the worst passing Ds in the league in 2018. And the two safeties have long injury histories. It would be foolhardy to expect them to repeat last year's performance. I'm not saying they can't, I just would have added more players to the position.

You're right, they do play a lot of zone, and they have had luck finding diamonds in the rough. But any time the pass rush wasn't wrecking shop, the CBs seemed to struggle. Especially late in big games.

[CrimsonCrew]

There is a concern though. Cap was going to go up next season by as much as $40 million.

But even if they have an uninterrupted season, they may not have any gate revenues. Of course TV money is the big deal but still, that could reduce any cap rise.

Yet 49ers will have big decisions to make after this season.

Yeah, the Armstead contract clearly anticipated a big bump in the cap next year and the following year. Those bumps are in doubt to a degree now. We'll see....

[wco81]

Shefter said the cap might go DOWN by $30-80 million.

That's really surprising. I didn't think gate was that lucrative, because attendance has been flat at best in a lot of markets where ticket prices have priced out a lot of fans.

Hmm, can they do 25 or 30% capacity? Better than nothing maybe?

But then chokepoints and crowding in the entrances and exits to stadiums, bathrooms, concession, etc.

[NinerSickness]

Cutting Ford and signing Clowney would have made no sense.

Cutting Kwon and keeping them both would have made sense.

[Scoots1994]

Shefter said the cap might go DOWN by $30-80 million.

That's really surprising. I didn't think gate was that lucrative, because attendance has been flat at best in a lot of markets where ticket prices have priced out a lot of fans.

Hmm, can they do 25 or 30% capacity? Better than nothing maybe?

But then chokepoints and crowding in the entrances and exits to stadiums, bathrooms, concession, etc.

NFL may have a bunch of cap exceptions next year or it will take several years for the NFL to recover from all the players that are going to have to be cut to get under the hard cap.

[Scoots1994]

Cutting Ford and signing Clowney would have made no sense.

Cutting Kwon and keeping them both would have made sense.

Kwon and Ford are both very good young players who fit. Peak Clowney is special, but rare these days.

All this talent the 49ers have added would be perfect if they can stay healthy.

Fred, Dre, and Kwon are a great LB group that can play at a high level for years together ... if the 49ers can afford them. Of the 3 the one I'd move on from first is Kwon, but I'd rather trade him than just cut him.

[CrimsonCrew]

Cutting Ford and signing Clowney would have made no sense.

Cutting Kwon and keeping them both would have made sense.

Kwon and Ford are both very good young players who fit. Peak Clowney is special, but rare these days.

All this talent the 49ers have added would be perfect if they can stay healthy.

Fred, Dre, and Kwon are a great LB group that can play at a high level for years together ... if the 49ers can afford them. Of the 3 the one I'd move on from first is Kwon, but I'd rather trade him than just cut him.

Ford is 29. He's a couple years past being called young in NFL terms. That said, when he's right - and there's a legitimate question as to whether he will be again - he's one of the best pure speed rushers in the league.

I was less thrilled with the Alexander signing at the time, and remain so because of the money he got and the position he played. But he's on the books and we couldn't realistically cut him this year.

[Scoots1994]

Cutting Kwon and keeping them both would have made sense.

Kwon and Ford are both very good young players who fit. Peak Clowney is special, but rare these days.

All this talent the 49ers have added would be perfect if they can stay healthy.

Fred, Dre, and Kwon are a great LB group that can play at a high level for years together ... if the 49ers can afford them. Of the 3 the one I'd move on from first is Kwon, but I'd rather trade him than just cut him.

Ford is 29. He's a couple years past being called young in NFL terms. That said, when he's right - and there's a legitimate question as to whether he will be again - he's one of the best pure speed rushers in the league.

I was less thrilled with the Alexander signing at the time, and remain so because of the money he got and the position he played. But he's on the books and we couldn't realistically cut him this year.

Expectations are Ford should be better this year after surgery.

Kwon wasn't that exciting when he was signed but he was very very good before he got hurt last year.

If the cap has a huge drop the NFL is going to have to work with the NFLPA to forgive teams over the cap.

[CrimsonCrew]

Samuel broke his foot, likely out 12-16 weeks. Ugh. Not a great start to the offseason. Hurd better be right....

[wco81]

WTH.

Are they even having OTAs or some kind of training events?

[GS Warriors 1]

WTH.

Are they even having OTAs or some kind of training events?

QB's, WR's, TE'S, and Juszczyk have been in Nashville working out starting this week.

[CrimsonCrew]

Richie James broke his wrist, and one of the guys in Nashville has tested positive for Covid, putting the whole group at risk and probably torpedoing those workouts. Apparently those other guys will have to isolate for two weeks. Son of a....

Feels like this season may already be cursed. We'll see....

[Bald Bull]

the player who tested positive for covid wasn't named, but these are the players who were working out together,

QB C.J. Beathard
QB Jimmy Garoppolo
QB Nick Mullens
QB Broc Rutter
WR Brandon Aiyuk
WR Kendrick Bourne
WR Chris Finke
WR Jalen Hurd
WR Jauan Jennings
WR Dante Pettis
WR Shawn Poindexter
WR Deebo Samuel
WR Trent Taylor
TE George Kittle
TE Charlie Woerner
FB Kyle Juszczyk

[CrimsonCrew]

Please be Beathard....

Edit: I realize I probably shouldn't joke about this sort of thing. I'm assuming whoever it is will be okay, but you can never tell with this illness, so I shouldn't make light.

[I_am_1z]

the player who tested positive for covid wasn't named, but these are the players who were working out together,

QB C.J. Beathard
QB Jimmy Garoppolo
QB Nick Mullens
QB Broc Rutter
WR Brandon Aiyuk
WR Kendrick Bourne
WR Chris Finke
WR Jalen Hurd
WR Jauan Jennings
WR Dante Pettis
WR Shawn Poindexter
WR Deebo Samuel
WR Trent Taylor
TE George Kittle
TE Charlie Woerner
FB Kyle Juszczyk

It was most likely Deebo. Before having surgery, he was likely tested for COVID19.

[CrimsonCrew]

the player who tested positive for covid wasn't named, but these are the players who were working out together,

QB C.J. Beathard
QB Jimmy Garoppolo
QB Nick Mullens
QB Broc Rutter
WR Brandon Aiyuk
WR Kendrick Bourne
WR Chris Finke
WR Jalen Hurd
WR Jauan Jennings
WR Dante Pettis
WR Shawn Poindexter
WR Deebo Samuel
WR Trent Taylor
TE George Kittle
TE Charlie Woerner
FB Kyle Juszczyk

It was most likely Deebo. Before having surgery, he was likely tested for COVID19.

That's a good point. I guess the one silver lining, assuming not a serious case, is that Deebo would have time to recover when he couldn't really be training anyway.

[Bald Bull]

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