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Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What kind of player do you think we need most?

Point Guard
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Scoring Guard
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62%
Great Shooter
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18%
3&D Wing
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#661 » by Xatticus » Thu Jul 2, 2020 2:49 am

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I really dislike comparing someone left handed to someone else left handed because it's usually just a lazy take, but when I watch Killian Hayes I do see a lot of D'Angelo Russell, both good and bad.

I doubt he'll be available at 15.

Curious if the Magic like him enough to move up into the lottery.


That was the comp that popped into my head as well. Similar size and athleticism. I like Hayes' ability to distribute the ball a bit more than Russell's. His vision looks rather ordinary, but he uses space to create passing lanes that he can take advantage of. The athleticism is what will hold him back though. I don't see the tools there for him to be a highly-efficient finisher. His skill level and understanding is pretty good for his age though.

I like him. I just don't see how we get him and I don't like his fit with Fultz. I think there is a really good chance that he will be gone within the first five picks and I don't see any scenario where he makes it out of the top ten. This draft just isn't talented enough for him to drop.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#662 » by VFX » Thu Jul 2, 2020 4:11 pm

Xatticus wrote:
Knightro wrote:

I really dislike comparing someone left handed to someone else left handed because it's usually just a lazy take, but when I watch Killian Hayes I do see a lot of D'Angelo Russell, both good and bad.

I doubt he'll be available at 15.

Curious if the Magic like him enough to move up into the lottery.


That was the comp that popped into my head as well. Similar size and athleticism. I like Hayes' ability to distribute the ball a bit more than Russell's. His vision looks rather ordinary, but he uses space to create passing lanes that he can take advantage of. The athleticism is what will hold him back though. I don't see the tools there for him to be a highly-efficient finisher. His skill level and understanding is pretty good for his age though.

I like him. I just don't see how we get him and I don't like his fit with Fultz. I think there is a really good chance that he will be gone within the first five picks and I don't see any scenario where he makes it out of the top ten. This draft just isn't talented enough for him to drop.


I think he will become the best player from this draft when it is said and done.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#663 » by Tarheel » Fri Jul 3, 2020 8:13 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
Knightro wrote:

I really dislike comparing someone left handed to someone else left handed because it's usually just a lazy take, but when I watch Killian Hayes I do see a lot of D'Angelo Russell, both good and bad.

I doubt he'll be available at 15.

Curious if the Magic like him enough to move up into the lottery.


That was the comp that popped into my head as well. Similar size and athleticism. I like Hayes' ability to distribute the ball a bit more than Russell's. His vision looks rather ordinary, but he uses space to create passing lanes that he can take advantage of. The athleticism is what will hold him back though. I don't see the tools there for him to be a highly-efficient finisher. His skill level and understanding is pretty good for his age though.

I like him. I just don't see how we get him and I don't like his fit with Fultz. I think there is a really good chance that he will be gone within the first five picks and I don't see any scenario where he makes it out of the top ten. This draft just isn't talented enough for him to drop.


I think he will become the best player from this draft when it is said and done.


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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#664 » by basketballRob » Fri Jul 3, 2020 10:10 am

One of the French posters insinuated that Maledon may end up being better. Hayes opted to play on a poor team where he'd get plenty of opportunities. Maledon played on a good team where he had to play a role in a system.

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Post#665 » by j-ragg » Fri Jul 3, 2020 3:28 pm

I really don't see it with Maledon. Hayes looks like he could be a high ceiling player if he adjusts well. Hometown kid is a nice bonus.
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Post#666 » by Knightro » Sat Jul 4, 2020 6:50 pm

Speculating here...

With this recent report that the Warriors are interested in potentially trading their first pick for Aaron Gordon combined with the report that the Magic have interviewed and expressed interest in Killian Hayes, could he be the apple of Weltman and Hammond’s eye in the top 5?
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Post#667 » by basketballRob » Sun Jul 5, 2020 10:17 am

Since the Warriors TPE is 17.1 and AG will make 18.1, they'll need a bridge team. For example, they'd send the TPE to Minnesota for James Johnson, Johnson would come here and AG to the Warriors.

Minnesota fans have been penciling AG into their lineup next year for a while. They also have a high pick and James Johnson to make contracts work.

Phoenix could also be a possibility with Oubre and a lottery pick.

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Post#669 » by The Effect » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:09 pm

The more i research this draft, the more i keep coming back to the guy i predicted the Magic FO picking during the season, and thats Josh Green

Hes not my top choice (hes up there, but not #1), but he seems to fit the FO's philosophy to a T.

Young (one of the youngest in the draft), Long (6'6 with 6'10ws), athletic, defensive minded, with developing offense but very high upside. To me that would give us too many limited offensive players, but if Fultz continues to develop his game, he could be the answer to our go-to player problem, and then build around him with solid 3-d guys like JI, Green, Chuma (sadly i see AG being dealt for a pick that can be used on Avdija) and Vuc being the other scorer.
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Post#670 » by jezzerinho » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:55 pm

How many of you would throw the remote at the screen if ORL picked Patrick Williams?
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Post#671 » by Xatticus » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:52 am

jezzerinho wrote:How many of you would throw the remote at the screen if ORL picked Patrick Williams?


I assume the implication is based on him being a forward?

I’m not a fan of Williams. He has an impressive physique and solid athleticism for a freshman, but I’m very wary of players that fit his profile. I don’t see a first-round talent there. He is just too passive given his physical tools and such players almost never fail to disappoint. Shades of Jeff Green.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#672 » by Bensational » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:08 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
Knightro wrote:

I really dislike comparing someone left handed to someone else left handed because it's usually just a lazy take, but when I watch Killian Hayes I do see a lot of D'Angelo Russell, both good and bad.

I doubt he'll be available at 15.

Curious if the Magic like him enough to move up into the lottery.


That was the comp that popped into my head as well. Similar size and athleticism. I like Hayes' ability to distribute the ball a bit more than Russell's. His vision looks rather ordinary, but he uses space to create passing lanes that he can take advantage of. The athleticism is what will hold him back though. I don't see the tools there for him to be a highly-efficient finisher. His skill level and understanding is pretty good for his age though.

I like him. I just don't see how we get him and I don't like his fit with Fultz. I think there is a really good chance that he will be gone within the first five picks and I don't see any scenario where he makes it out of the top ten. This draft just isn't talented enough for him to drop.


I think he will become the best player from this draft when it is said and done.


Interesting. He might be someone I'm sleeping on, but I just don't see the talent in him. I've only watched some highlights, but those mostly underwhelm me. It might be because I don't enjoy watching that style of play, but I think in the NBA he'll struggle to keep the kind of separation he needs for his shooting with his limited right hand, not much of a first step, no elite handles or athleticism to compensate.

But also, if the Magic are 'linked' to someone, that's probably a good indicator we won't take them. DSJr, Young, Knox, Simons, NAW - I'm pretty sure we were linked to all of these guys in the past and had done multiple workouts with them, but never picked any of them in the end.

I think Haliburton will surprise people. I don't see star power in him, but his skillset is one of the most complete in the draft. Great shooting numbers (catch and shoot numbers very strong), great handles and vision to get around the court at ease, good defender who plays lanes and gets deflections, grabs a decent amount of boards despite a slim frame. Think Payton/MCW with a 3pt shot. Great glue guy. If Fultz stepped into becoming a lead scorer and not a PG, Haliburton could run point and be a deadly outlet option when Fultz has the ball in his hands.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#673 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:56 am

Xatticus wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:How many of you would throw the remote at the screen if ORL picked Patrick Williams?


I assume the implication is based on him being a forward?

I’m not a fan of Williams. He has an impressive physique and solid athleticism for a freshman, but I’m very wary of players that fit his profile. I don’t see a first-round talent there. He is just too passive given his physical tools and such players almost never fail to disappoint. Shades of Jeff Green.


The implication is him being another 3/4 archetype, yes, but also not really being polished enough to contribute much in his first 2 yrs.

He's a roll of the dice at a spot the Magic already have some depth ( as the roster stands).

Passive? I don't think he's the rebounding force he should be but I see a pretty switched on kid. He's your classic low floor low ceiling guy though, who needs time and good coaching.

I guess the question is whether we should be swinging for a future star regardless of the roster. Positionally there's overlap with Gordon and Chuma at the very least.

Or would you be looking for the best we can get at roles of greatest need- C&S king, PG, shot creator...
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Post#674 » by Skybox » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:57 am

The top 3 are dicey to me, but there’s a lot of intriguing guys in this draft. I think when it all shakes out, the best guys in this draft will not be stars, but there will be a solid population of contributors...it really is such a crapshoot these days and more than ever in this COVID year...guys like Okoro, Maxey, Bey, Toppin, Vassel, Williams, etc...if anybody predicts the first 15 correctly, there should be a huge payout...I think Wiseman will drop a bit, I think Okoro goes top 5
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Post#675 » by Knightro » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:15 pm

For discussion's sake let's assume that the Magic will be picking 15th or 16th without a trade up.

Let's also assume the following nine players - Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu, Killian Hayes, Isaac Okoro - are off the board.

How do you rank the following group of players for the Magic?

Cole Anthony
Devin Vassell
Kira Lewis Jr.
Tyrese Maxey
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey
Tre Jones
Theo Maledon
R.J. Hampton
Tyrell Terry
Josh Green

If Weltman and Hammond are actually willing to make some trades, then all bets are off positionally speaking.

But if they're not and they're basically planning to bringing back this year's team + Okeke + 2020 1st round pick + MLE signing, then it stands to reason they'd be looking at guards and wings and not forwards or bigs.
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Post#676 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:19 pm

Knightro wrote:For discussion's sake let's assume that the Magic will be picking 15th or 16th without a trade up.

Let's also assume the following nine players - Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu, Killian Hayes, Isaac Okoro - are off the board.

How do you rank the following group of players for the Magic?

Cole Anthony
Devin Vassell
Kira Lewis Jr.
Tyrese Maxey
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey
Tre Jones
Theo Maledon
R.J. Hampton
Tyrell Terry
Josh Green

If Weltman and Hammond are actually willing to make some trades, then all bets are off positionally speaking.

But if they're not and they're basically planning to bringing back this year's team + Okeke + 2020 1st round pick + MLE signing, then it stands to reason they'd be looking at guards and wings and not forwards or bigs.


Potential based ranking:
Tier 1
Vassell
Maxey
Hampton

Tier 2
Lewis
Green
Maledon

Tier 3
Anthony
Nesmith
Bey

Tier 4
Terry
Jones
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Post#677 » by j-ragg » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:21 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
Knightro wrote:For discussion's sake let's assume that the Magic will be picking 15th or 16th without a trade up.

Let's also assume the following nine players - Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu, Killian Hayes, Isaac Okoro - are off the board.

How do you rank the following group of players for the Magic?

Cole Anthony
Devin Vassell
Kira Lewis Jr.
Tyrese Maxey
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey
Tre Jones
Theo Maledon
R.J. Hampton
Tyrell Terry
Josh Green

If Weltman and Hammond are actually willing to make some trades, then all bets are off positionally speaking.

But if they're not and they're basically planning to bringing back this year's team + Okeke + 2020 1st round pick + MLE signing, then it stands to reason they'd be looking at guards and wings and not forwards or bigs.


Potential based ranking:
Tier 1
Vassell

Can I ask, what do you see Vassell's comparison for his higher potential outcome? No comparison is perfect, but he seems more of a high floor/low ceiling guy to me.

Not attacking, just curious. I'm still pretty ignorant toward a lot of these draft guys.
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Post#678 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:23 pm

Fit based ranking:

Tier 1
Vassell
Maxey

Tier 2
Nesmith
Green
Lewis
Hampton
Maledon

Tier 3
Terry
Anthony

Tier 4
Bey
Jones
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Post#679 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:30 pm

j-ragg wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
Knightro wrote:For discussion's sake let's assume that the Magic will be picking 15th or 16th without a trade up.

Let's also assume the following nine players - Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu, Killian Hayes, Isaac Okoro - are off the board.

How do you rank the following group of players for the Magic?

Cole Anthony
Devin Vassell
Kira Lewis Jr.
Tyrese Maxey
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey
Tre Jones
Theo Maledon
R.J. Hampton
Tyrell Terry
Josh Green

If Weltman and Hammond are actually willing to make some trades, then all bets are off positionally speaking.

But if they're not and they're basically planning to bringing back this year's team + Okeke + 2020 1st round pick + MLE signing, then it stands to reason they'd be looking at guards and wings and not forwards or bigs.


Potential based ranking:
Tier 1
Vassell

Can I ask, what do you see Vassell's comparison for his higher potential outcome? No comparison is perfect, but he seems more of a high floor/low ceiling guy to me.

Not attacking, just curious. I'm still pretty ignorant toward a lot of these draft guys.


I'm crap at player comparisons... Middleton maybe?
Lockdown defense, high efficiency scorer with good IQ and some rebounding ability would be what you hope from him, I guess ..

Perfect fit for The Magic if we could complement him with a shot creator, which we don't have either...
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Post#680 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:32 pm

Assuming no tradeup or down and picking from that list, I'm leaning towards Maxey. Just think he's a perfect mesh with Fultz when he cleans up his jumper (very doable imo)

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