Emergency Thread: Game 3 Magic v. Pacers

[Bonafide89]

Our offense is literally find T. Ross a shot and hope it goes in.

Standard stuff when we struggle

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[Skin]

A retread coach who doesn't want to develop youth and wants to win with vets but can't. This is just a recurring theme for this incompetent organization.

[VFX]

A retread coach who doesn't want to develop youth and wants to win with vets but can't. This is just a recurring theme for this incompetent organization.

Funny that this is still surprising to people.

[pepe1991]

First quater was unreal, Pacers made 16 out of 23 shots. Magic missed 13 of 20 shots. Normally you don't lose nba game in first quater, Magic, however did. Other quaters were normal. Matter of fact Magic "won" rest of a game but first quater was disaster.

Strange game indeed, it happends, and it will keep happening in a bubble because teams did not go through normal camp and shooting form is all over the place. Suns beat Clippers , Blazers beat Rockets and Nets beat Bucks on a same night.

As for crying about development.
Isaac got hurt, nothing to do there.
Fultz was late to the camp, and from what i can see, him and Zion are only players who missed time from bubble for personal reasons, who do not have wife and/or kids on their own. What was so urgent that he could not solve with his mom and sister within 5 months and needed another weeks is beyond me. Or girlfriend. However, i can't shake off feeling he is being punished for it and rides bench now.


Bamba arived in such a poor condition that medical stuff limited him to 5 min a night. Do we really need to add anything to it? Good luck with development of athlete who probably did not run for 5 months straight because he was too busy bindging food and doing upper body bodybuilding only... or at least it looks that way.

[MagicStarwipe]

2020-2021... run it back baby!

[Skin]

First quater was unreal, Pacers made 16 out of 23 shots. Magic missed 13 of 20 shots. Normally you don't lose nba game in first quater, Magic, however did. Other quaters were normal. Matter of fact Magic "won" rest of a game but first quater was disaster.

Strange game indeed, it happends, and it will keep happening in a bubble because teams did not go through normal camp and shooting form is all over the place. Suns beat Clippers , Blazers beat Rockets and Nets beat Bucks on a same night.

As for crying about development.
Isaac got hurt, nothing to do there.
Fultz was late to the camp, and from what i can see, him and Zion are only players who missed time from bubble for personal reasons, who do not have wife and/or kids on their own. What was so urgent that he could not solve with his mom and sister within 5 months and needed another weeks is beyond me. Or girlfriend. However, i can't shake off feeling he is being punished for it and rides bench now.


Bamba arived in such a poor condition that medical stuff limited him to 5 min a night. Do we really need to add anything to it? Good luck with development of athlete who probably did not run for 5 months straight because he was too busy bindging food and doing upper body bodybuilding only... or at least it looks that way.

Well you think we have a contender...

[Rainwater]

Watching clips of the Magic against Ind and it's really a team full of role players. To be honest I think Cliff is doing a great considering the lack of superstar talent or it could just be how bad the east is, lol.

[drsd]

The press love for Warren makes no sense.

Orlando lost this game because of horrible guard play. Augustin + Fournier = 9 points and Holiday + Oladipo = 25 points.

25 - 9 equals 16 points; in a game Orlando lost by only 11 points.

There is no grand meaning to this game beyond "Augustin and Fournier played very poorly".

[drsd]

If there would be a Dunce-cap for this game, for me it goes to the double failed effort of Augustin and Carter-Williams. Their co-play this game was stinky-smelly bad.


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[j-ragg]

The press love for Warren makes no sense.

Orlando lost this game because of horrible guard play. Augustin + Fournier = 9 points and Holiday + Oladipo = 25 points.

25 - 9 equals 16 points; in a game Orlando lost by only 11 points.

There is no grand meaning to this game beyond "Augustin and Fournier played very poorly".

The love isn’t based off this game. Press doesn’t care enough to analyze why we lost anyway, just why the other team won.

I agree fwiw but this TJ Warren breakout is just fun to talk about.

[ChosenSavior]

Backcourt failed us.

We can't compete with a Fournier Agustin backcourt

100% this.

Honestly would think about moving Markelle back into that starting lineup soon.

Man it isn’t that simple. He needs to be aggressive breaking down a defense and making plays. If he can’t do that on the second unit than he sure as hell isnt going to do it with him on the floor with Vuc, Fournier, and Gordon. I mean take some threes off the dribble he looked good shooting the open ones he took. I wonder if it’s a Clifford issue but with his flashes of abilities running an offense I just don’t get it.

You bring up a valid point but it is possible the reason why Markelle isn't playing as aggressive is because he is coming off the bench and his minutes aren't necessarily set in stone like they were when he was a starter. Not everyone in the NBA can adjust to coming off the bench after being a starter for so many games and having to adjust to lineups he has not played with as much.

Personally I think Markelle is playing tentative to not make a mistake out there which is why he does not look as aggressive as he did before the pandemic stopped basketball. His size at the PG position does help defensively (ignoring what happened when he was guarding McConnell lol) and the driving lanes will open up a little bit better playing with the starters compared to the bench.

[ChosenSavior]

If there would be a Dunce-cap for this game, for me it goes to the double failed effort of Augustin and Carter-Williams. Their co-play this game was stinky-smelly bad.


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Blaming MCW is kind of weird considering he got hurt in the 1st quarter and never returned. It would be the double failed effort of Evan and D.J. that you are talking about.

[BadMofoPimp]

A retread coach who doesn't want to develop youth and wants to win with vets but can't. This is just a recurring theme for this incompetent organization.

Fighting for a playoff seed is unanimously amongst coaches to not be a time to worry about developing youth.

[Skin]

Watching clips of the Magic against Ind and it's really a team full of role players. To be honest I think Cliff is doing a great considering the lack of superstar talent or it could just be how bad the east is, lol.

He's doing terrible because he loves his role players and refuses to develop our younger talent. There's no reason why Markelle shouldn't be starting and Bamba getting DNPs.

At the very least, I thought Retread was gonna help Gordon take the next step, but that hasn't happened.

To me there's no special bond between him and his players.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

A retread coach who doesn't want to develop youth and wants to win with vets but can't. This is just a recurring theme for this incompetent organization.

Fighting for a playoff seed is unanimously amongst coaches to not be a time to worry about developing youth.

also why a lot of us were not happy when they hired Cliff. We knew exactly what was going to happen, re sign vets to push for an 8th seed while ignoring youth. It wreaks of the Vuc 100M, re signing Aminu, not trading Fournier. We're going to finish 8th seed and honestly have we made any improvements?

[Rainwater]

Watching clips of the Magic against Ind and it's really a team full of role players. To be honest I think Cliff is doing a great considering the lack of superstar talent or it could just be how bad the east is, lol.

He's doing terrible because he loves his role players and refuses to develop our younger talent. There's no reason why Markelle shouldn't be starting and Bamba getting DNPs.

At the very least, I thought Retread was gonna help Gordon take the next step, but that hasn't happened.

To me there's no special bond between him and his players.

I completely agree for the young players to play the role players need to go.

[BadMofoPimp]

A retread coach who doesn't want to develop youth and wants to win with vets but can't. This is just a recurring theme for this incompetent organization.

Fighting for a playoff seed is unanimously amongst coaches to not be a time to worry about developing youth.

also why a lot of us were not happy when they hired Cliff. We knew exactly what was going to happen, re sign vets to push for an 8th seed while ignoring youth. It wreaks of the Vuc 100M, re signing Aminu, not trading Fournier. We're going to finish 8th seed and honestly have we made any improvements?

Crying about the past and constantly posting for years the same ole sad story about how you wish management did things your way is not going to make things better for you. And, when it comes to developing youth, it is not like we have great youth being developed due to injuries, conditioning or motivational issues. If someone wants to be great, they should work at it and push themselves and not rely on the team gifting them anything. That is how players become great, not the other way around. I think the youth of this team get their chances. Playing 40 minutes isn't going to make them better unless they want it themselves. They will all get their chances in due time.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Fighting for a playoff seed is unanimously amongst coaches to not be a time to worry about developing youth.

also why a lot of us were not happy when they hired Cliff. We knew exactly what was going to happen, re sign vets to push for an 8th seed while ignoring youth. It wreaks of the Vuc 100M, re signing Aminu, not trading Fournier. We're going to finish 8th seed and honestly have we made any improvements?

Crying about the past and constantly posting for years the same ole sad story about how you wish management did things your way is not going to make things better for you. And, when it comes to developing youth, it is not like we have great youth being developed due to injuries, conditioning or motivational issues. If someone wants to be great, they should work at it and push themselves and not rely on the team gifting them anything. That is how players become great, not the other way around. I think the youth of this team get their chances. Playing 40 minutes isn't going to make them better unless they want it themselves. They will all get their chances in due time.

We don’t have youth to develop because “Draft Flattened Out” and our FO is terrible at acquiring NBA level talent. It’s been 4 years and the best move is a 1/2 way broken Fultz.

Not crying just pointing out what a **** job this FO has done. Congrats that you’re pumped with an 8th seed and the 4th highest paid roster lol. Couldn’t be me

[Skin]

Fighting for a playoff seed is unanimously amongst coaches to not be a time to worry about developing youth.

also why a lot of us were not happy when they hired Cliff. We knew exactly what was going to happen, re sign vets to push for an 8th seed while ignoring youth. It wreaks of the Vuc 100M, re signing Aminu, not trading Fournier. We're going to finish 8th seed and honestly have we made any improvements?

Crying about the past and constantly posting for years the same ole sad story about how you wish management did things your way is not going to make things better for you. And, when it comes to developing youth, it is not like we have great youth being developed due to injuries, conditioning or motivational issues. If someone wants to be great, they should work at it and push themselves and not rely on the team gifting them anything. That is how players become great, not the other way around. I think the youth of this team get their chances. Playing 40 minutes isn't going to make them better unless they want it themselves. They will all get their chances in due time.

We have yet to win with Henny's guys but every year you defend them as we barely crawl into the playoffs and exit in Round 1.

Your stance that the Magic are doing things right isn't coming to fruition year after year. You're the one getting things done your way, but where are the results? Maybe our crying is legitimate.

...and please don't ignore the fact that we keep missing out on the ELITE draft prospects (by 1 or 2 spots) because of our "winning culture".