Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[GONYK]

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I didn't think we were dumb enough to bring Hillary back

Seriously? They invited a Republican who’s an antiabortionist

Yea, but that makes sense

[Phish Tank]

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I didn't think we were dumb enough to bring Hillary back

Seriously? They invited a Republican who’s an antiabortionist

Yea, but that makes sense

I could honestly care less about the convention, so not watching.

He could put the Squad or anyone else, but I'm not listening either.

[GONYK]

Seriously? They invited a Republican who’s an antiabortionist

Yea, but that makes sense

I could honestly care less about the convention, so not watching.

He could put the Squad or anyone else, but I'm not listening either.

I mean, I don't think it matters really. I'm just somewhat surprised that they would want that association.

[Phish Tank]

Yea, but that makes sense

I could honestly care less about the convention, so not watching.

He could put the Squad or anyone else, but I'm not listening either.

I mean, I don't think it matters really. I'm just somewhat surprised that they would want that association.

yea true, but idk.

[HarthorneWingo]

Seriously? They invited a Republican who’s an antiabortionist

Yea, but that makes sense

I could honestly care less about the convention, so not watching.

He could put the Squad or anyone else, but I'm not listening either.

I'm just looking forward to building a progressive legislative foundation from the ground on up. It's clear that those in power at the federal level will not change the status quo in any meaningful way.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yea, but that makes sense

I could honestly care less about the convention, so not watching.

He could put the Squad or anyone else, but I'm not listening either.

I mean, I don't think it matters really. I'm just somewhat surprised that they would want that association.

[Clyde_Style]

I'll watch the convention if Wingo speaks

[HarthorneWingo]

I'll watch the convention if Wingo speaks

Bah, they'd sandwich me between Hillary and Kasich.

Here's a little taste

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[HarthorneWingo]

Isn't this what Clyde would call having to many "unforced errors"? He can't say one thing without fcking it up. You still think he can handle 3 or 4 debates?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/joe-biden-latino-african-american-remark-392354

Biden: Latino community is diverse, ‘unlike the African American community’
President Donald Trump quickly attacked Biden over the remark.

Joe Biden said in remarks on Wednesday that the Latino community is "incredibly diverse," "unlike" the Black community.

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things," Biden said. "You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration than you do in Arizona. So it's a very diverse community."

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Isn't this what Clyde would call having to many "unforced errors"? He can't say one thing without fcking it up. You still think he can handle 3 or 4 debates?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/joe-biden-latino-african-american-remark-392354

Biden: Latino community is diverse, ‘unlike the African American community’
President Donald Trump quickly attacked Biden over the remark.

Joe Biden said in remarks on Wednesday that the Latino community is "incredibly diverse," "unlike" the Black community.

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things," Biden said. "You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration than you do in Arizona. So it's a very diverse community."

Wow that's awkward. What did he intend by this? Trump's stupidity is still in its own league though. This election isn't about who becomes president, but about who isn't anymore.

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Isn't this what Clyde would call having to many "unforced errors"? He can't say one thing without fcking it up. You still think he can handle 3 or 4 debates?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/joe-biden-latino-african-american-remark-392354

Biden: Latino community is diverse, ‘unlike the African American community’
President Donald Trump quickly attacked Biden over the remark.

Joe Biden said in remarks on Wednesday that the Latino community is "incredibly diverse," "unlike" the Black community.

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things," Biden said. "You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration than you do in Arizona. So it's a very diverse community."

He's an old school racist through and through. His condescension is unlimited. No idea how Black people can support him.

Can't wait for these debates and they had better be held in person.

BTW Wingo that was a very spicy Iraq War retort. Well done.

[HarthorneWingo]

Top of the morning to you all!

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5f2db132c5b6e96a22b2770c

Trump Can’t Stop Defamation Suit By His Rape Accuser, State Justice Rules

She may also continue to seek a sample of his DNA, a New York justice ruled.

By Lydia O’Connor
08/07/2020 07:02 PM ET

President Donald Trump doesn’t have the grounds to stop a defamation lawsuit filed by a woman who accused him of raping her, a New York state justice ruled Thursday.

That decision is a big win for E. Jean, a magazine columnist who wrote last year that Trump raped her in a New York department store in the mid-1990s. Last November, she sued the president for defamation after he accused her of lying about the incident and sought to collect a DNA sample from him.

Trump’s legal team asked the New York Supreme Court to put the case on hold and argued that a sitting president is immune to any civil lawsuits in state court. But state Justice Verna Saunders rejected that argument, citing a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that Trump couldn’t refuse a subpoena for his tax returns on the basis of holding presidential office.

That finding is “applicable to all state court proceedings in which a sitting President is involved, including those involving his or her unofficial/personal conduct,” Saunders wrote in her decision.

Carroll tweeted that she was excited to move forward with her case, which will also allow her to continue seeking Trump’s DNA. She says that she kept the dress she had on when Trump allegedly raped her and that genetic material a lab found on the dress may match his.

[HarthorneWingo]

Isn't this what Clyde would call having to many "unforced errors"? He can't say one thing without fcking it up. You still think he can handle 3 or 4 debates?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/joe-biden-latino-african-american-remark-392354

Biden: Latino community is diverse, ‘unlike the African American community’
President Donald Trump quickly attacked Biden over the remark.

Joe Biden said in remarks on Wednesday that the Latino community is "incredibly diverse," "unlike" the Black community.

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things," Biden said. "You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration than you do in Arizona. So it's a very diverse community."

He's an old school racist through and through. His condescension is unlimited. No idea how Black people can support him.

Can't wait for these debates and they had better be held in person.

BTW Wingo that was a very spicy Iraq War retort. Well done.

Haha, well your boy is no angel in this either. “C’mon mayn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

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Isn't this what Clyde would call having to many "unforced errors"? He can't say one thing without fcking it up. You still think he can handle 3 or 4 debates?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/joe-biden-latino-african-american-remark-392354

He's an old school racist through and through. His condescension is unlimited. No idea how Black people can support him.

Can't wait for these debates and they had better be held in person.

BTW Wingo that was a very spicy Iraq War retort. Well done.

Haha, well your boy is no angel in this either. “C’mon mayn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

You need to be a subscriber to access that article. Can't see it.

Combine that with his obvious mental decline and it's not looking good.

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[HarthorneWingo]

He's an old school racist through and through. His condescension is unlimited. No idea how Black people can support him.

Can't wait for these debates and they had better be held in person.

BTW Wingo that was a very spicy Iraq War retort. Well done.

Haha, well your boy is no angel in this either. “C’mon mayn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

You need to be a subscriber to access that article. Can't see it.

You don’t want to.

The universe has brought you to this significant crossroad in your life. It’s time (no pun intended) for you subscribe to The NY Times today for the very low price 5 cents a week! Or are you afraid to?

[BallSacBounce]

Haha, well your boy is no angel in this either. “C’mon mayn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

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You don’t want to.

The universe has brought you to this significant crossroad in your life. It’s time (no pun intended) for you subscribe to The NY Times today for the very low price 5 cents a week! Or are you afraid to?

I can live without it.

[Pointgod]

She also has a gap in her resume around 2000-01 during which she worked for a "consulting company" which sometimes worked with bad actors and challenged one's moral convictions. She was also a supporter of the Iraq War. Rice has her problems.

Wrong again bucko

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-column-susan-rice-iraq-war-chapman-20200702-bto32c5k6nhx3can3pxf5jgbau-story.html

From everything I’ve been able to find, Rice did not support the Iraq War. She opposed it, in a show of wise and independent judgment.

Okay Junior, Wrong “again”? I haven’t been wrong about anything. If I have been wrong about something, I can surely tell you that I’ve NEVER been as wrong about anything as you are here. This must be a joke or something. Maybe you should let the adults in the room handle the political debates.

“From everything I can find”? You really come at me with BS? It is a nice try at revisionist history by the establishment Democrats In a desperate attempt to rehabilitate her In time for a VP nomination though.

Maybe the author chose not to look hard enough. Eggs meet face



https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2012/11/28/1165415/-Susan-Rice-Vocally-Supported-the-Iraq-War-and-Every-MidEast-War-Since

Susan Rice was a cheerleader for Bush’s invasion of Iraq (11/02, 12/02, 02/03)

Assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, Rice has been a prominent foreign policy spokesperson for the Obama campaign. Here are some of her claims shortly before the invasion of Iraq:

“I think he has proved that Iraq has these weapons and is hiding them, and I don’t think many informed people doubted that.” (NPR, Feb. 6, 2003)

“We need to be ready for the possibility that the attack against the U.S. could come in some form against the homeland, not necessarily on the battlefield against our forces. And I think there, too, is an area where the American people need to be better prepared by our leadership. … It’s clear that Iraq poses a major threat. It’s clear that its weapons of mass destruction need to be dealt with forcefully, and that’s the path we’re on. I think the question becomes whether we can keep the diplomatic balls in the air and not drop any, even as we move forward, as we must, on the military side.” (NPR, Dec. 20, 2002)

“I think the United States government has been clear since the first Bush administration about the threat that Iraq and Saddam Hussein poses. The United States policy has been regime change for many, many years, going well back into the Clinton administration. So it’s a question of timing and tactics. … We do not necessarily need a further Council resolution before we can enforce this and previous resolutions. (NPR, Nov. 11, 2002)

Susan Rice advocated the US stay in Iraq “for many years to come” (04/03)

From WaPo transcript (response to last question):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
Susan Rice: “To maximize our likelihood of success, the US is going to have to remain committed to and focused on reconstruction and rehabilitation of Iraq for many years to come. This administration and future ones will need to demonstrate a longer attention span than we have in Afghanistan, and we will have to embrace rather than evade the essential tasks of peacekeeping and nation building. We would be wise to involve as early as is feasible the UN and key allies in the complex tasks of democracy building and reconstruction, and we would be wise to help foster organic internal processes for selecting a new national leadership in Iraq, as the international community did in supporting the loya jirga process in Afghanistan. We can not be seen to select or anoint new Iraqi leaders. We need also to be to be exceedingly careful with the Americans coming in under General Garner to assume governance roles in Iraq.”
Of course, you can always "take it back." The other option is that I torture you forever.

The comment in question is strictly about the Iraq war so I’m going to address that instead of your unfounded assumptions that Susan Rice is some kind of Warhawk. You’re sounding a lot like the people that swore (of course through Russian meddling) that Hillary Clinton would start a war.

So let’s address the first comment about the Iraq war, it’s actually addressed right in the article.

Their recollections confirm what Rice wrote in her memoir, “Tough Love”: “From the start, I viewed that war of choice as a dangerous diversion from the main objective of defeating al-Qaida globally and in Afghanistan.” She served as an adviser to Howard Dean’s 2004 presidential campaign “because he was the only leading Democratic candidate to oppose the Iraq War.” She signed up with Barack Obama in 2007 because he had also opposed it.

So even before she was even considered for VP she stated that she supported to candidates that opposed the Iraq war. Okay let’s go on.

In a December 2002 interview on NPR, she said, “It’s clear that Iraq poses a major threat. It’s clear that its weapons of mass destruction need to be dealt with forcefully, and that’s the path we’re on. I think the question becomes whether we can keep the diplomatic balls in the air and not drop any, even as we move forward, as we must, on the military side.”
But O’Hanlon notes, “The military options she alludes to are not specified. For the Clinton administration, they were typically airstrikes or cruise missile strikes of limited duration and effect, not invasions.”

Again this quote isn’t some smoking gun that she supported the Iraq war. She was talking about many options and there’s no explicit implication that she meant invasion.

Rice also endorsed the idea of “regime change.” But there is less there than meets the eye. Bill Clinton signed a bill making it U.S. policy to “support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.” But he didn’t mount an invasion. The point was to encourage Iraqis to do the job.

Quote is self explanatory.

The only quote that’s concerning is this one.

“I think he has proved that Iraq has these weapons and is hiding them, and I don’t think many informed people doubted that.” (NPR, Feb. 6, 2003)

However without the context of the interview we can’t really determine what she meant by this. And this the bigger problem with what you’re doing. You’re taking a couple quotes without context and you’re trying to make them fit your narrative that Susan Rice was for the Iraq War. You literally cited a comments section of an article that has a link to a bunch of Susan Rice’s quotes without context.

[HarthorneWingo]

He's an old school racist through and through. His condescension is unlimited. No idea how Black people can support him.

Can't wait for these debates and they had better be held in person.

BTW Wingo that was a very spicy Iraq War retort. Well done.

Haha, well your boy is no angel in this either. “C’mon mayn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

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Combine that with his obvious mental decline and it's not looking good.

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This is such a crazy time right now, I wouldn’t be shocked if the Dems have to call a time out in order to make a substitution because Joe crumbles. But it is what it is at this point.

Trump has to go. Have you come to that realization yet?

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I didn't think we were dumb enough to bring Hillary back

Smh same comment I’ll say when it was announced that Kasich would speak at the convention. Why? It could be an opportunity for more up and coming Democrats to speak. Not that it really matters but pretty sure no one asked for Clinton.

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Haha, well your boy is no angel in this either. “C’mon mayn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

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Combine that with his obvious mental decline and it's not looking good.

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This is such a crazy time right now, I wouldn’t be shocked if the Dems have to call a time out in order to make a substitution because Joe crumbles. But it is what it is at this point.

Trump has to go. Have you come to that realization yet?

Trump has done so much good why would you want him to go?

He's the only one in either party to address the trade imbalances with China and make those jobs start to come back home. The rest are paid to ignore it.

Replacing NAFTA with a more favorable deal for the U. S. was also great for jobs here.

He's the only one to tackle the huge illegal immigration problem we have here which also of course affects American joblessness. Politicians have turned a blind eye to the laws they created, that's no way to run a country.

He's been great for the economy rolling back countless regulations.

Love him, want 4 more years.

Plus, he is funny as hell. Makes politics enjoyable. Too bad the leftists can't enjoy him. The stunts and trolls he pulls are hilarious.

As an added plus the FISA/FBI investigations should be coming to a close soon who would want to miss out on all the fun the indictments will bring.
Finally the Russia BS Coup Attempt gets fully exposed. You don't want rogue elements in the unelected government picking winners and losers in elections, do you?

It'll be fun, just roll with it Wingo. You ain't seen nothing yet. Are you not entertained?