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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1021 » by robillionaire » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:45 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:As far as the "Biden is old\senile\losing it", like all good propaganda\disinformation, there is an element of truth. Biden IS old. Probably older than what we, as a people, should want for the mental and physical challenges of the presidency. He has some gaffs, but are they more than anyone of any age? Not so sure. Let's say, yes, he gaffs more than younger people. What about Trump? That guy is a highlight reel of gaffs. Yet for all that, Biden is, what, 4 years older than that paragon of health and physical fitness, the Cheeto Jesus?

My fairly moderate republican friend spouts this take. And he's come to hate Trump.
My SON says it, and I'd say he's aggressively moderate.

Because there is a kernel of truth in it.

The playbook is this:

Take all Trump's faults - the lack of respect for women, the mental decline, the racism and project and inflate them on Biden.

The target isn't Trump supporters. They are in the bag for Trump no matter what.
The target isn't Republican voters, they are voting for Trump anyway. Maybe a few stay home.
The target is middle road independents. If you paint both candidates as "the same guy" - misogynistic, old, racist, then X amount of independents (the hope by the operatives) say "Oh, I guess I'll vote Republican this time after all" since "both guys are the same"

I guess the target is also progressive democrats in an attempt to peel off votes by making them opt out
Clearly there is an attempt to move some female suburban voters back into the republican column, but I think they fall under "middle road independents"

This isn't some defense of Biden as the greatest choice.

It IS pointing out what the fairly obvious campaign trick is going on.


nah. your friend and son are probably working for the KGB. seriously though, of course there is an element of truth to all those faults. they wouldn't be able to effectively project and inflate them on biden if there wasn't a basis for it in his record and actions. he will just have to dedicate a decent part of his message to pointing out the differences. the fact that this will need to be done for a 2nd straight election with a candidate as uniquely bad as trump is unfortunate. it's up to him to make the case for himself and hash out the ways he would be better than trump. if he can't do it, the loss is squarely on the shoulders of the dems for nominating him and missing what should have been another layup. nobody is going to entertain blaming russians again. however if trump loses I fully expect him to try to blame china in the same fashion and portray biden as a chinese agent for 4 years. the days of accepting a loss at face value are pretty much over in this hyper partisan environment
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1022 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:55 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:As far as the "Biden is old\senile\losing it", like all good propaganda\disinformation, there is an element of truth. Biden IS old. Probably older than what we, as a people, should want for the mental and physical challenges of the presidency. He has some gaffs, but are they more than anyone of any age? Not so sure. Let's say, yes, he gaffs more than younger people. What about Trump? That guy is a highlight reel of gaffs. Yet for all that, Biden is, what, 4 years older than that paragon of health and physical fitness, the Cheeto Jesus?

My fairly moderate republican friend spouts this take. And he's come to hate Trump.
My SON says it, and I'd say he's aggressively moderate.

Because there is a kernel of truth in it.

The playbook is this:

Take all Trump's faults - the lack of respect for women, the mental decline, the racism and project and inflate them on Biden.

The target isn't Trump supporters. They are in the bag for Trump no matter what.
The target isn't Republican voters, they are voting for Trump anyway. Maybe a few stay home.
The target is middle road independents. If you paint both candidates as "the same guy" - misogynistic, old, racist, then X amount of independents (the hope by the operatives) say "Oh, I guess I'll vote Republican this time after all" since "both guys are the same"

I guess the target is also progressive democrats in an attempt to peel off votes by making them opt out
Clearly there is an attempt to move some female suburban voters back into the republican column, but I think they fall under "middle road independents"

This isn't some defense of Biden as the greatest choice.

It IS pointing out what the fairly obvious campaign trick is going on.


nah. your friend and son are probably working for the KGB. seriously though, of course there is an element of truth to all those faults. they wouldn't be able to effectively project and inflate them on biden if there wasn't a basis for it in his record and actions. he will just have to dedicate a decent part of his message to pointing out the differences. the fact that this will need to be done for a 2nd straight election with a candidate as uniquely bad as trump is unfortunate. it's up to him to make the case for himself and hash out the ways he would be better than trump. if he can't do it, the loss is squarely on the shoulders of the dems for nominating him and missing what should have been another layup. nobody is going to entertain blaming russians again. however if trump loses I fully expect him to try to blame china in the same fashion and portray biden as a chinese agent for 4 years. the days of accepting a loss at face value are pretty much over in this hyper partisan environment


Hence the bolded. Also, Trump is absolutely going to weaponize\monetize grievance over the loss, IF he loses. He has been laying the groundwork, for a variety of reasons, for months now.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1023 » by j4remi » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:30 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Hence the bolded. Also, Trump is absolutely going to weaponize\monetize grievance over the loss, IF he loses. He has been laying the groundwork, for a variety of reasons, for months now.


That's the only strategy he's got. The thing is it's not even that effective because while anyone with half a brain can watch Biden's gaffes and say "yeah he's lost a step" most people have enough brain cells to also compute that "Trump's worse."

I've said it a few times but we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Biden says dumb stuff, Trump says dumber stuff. This isn't complicated and most people get it. The people who use Biden's mental capacity to say that they won't vote for him or will vote for Trump are typically easy to flip on the mental health issue and when they aren't, it's usually because they were never going to vote for Biden in the first place. Generally speaking, most people just want to move on from Trump

Here's the Republican Half of analysis from the latest Battleground Poll and even they acknowledge that Trump's not making headway in building angst toward Biden the way he successful did against Clinton:
https://www.tarrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/BG-Poll-66-GOP-analysis-memo.pdf

Absent a stunning economic turnaround or a vaccine being developed faster than ever in human history, President Trump’s next best path to victory is to recreate the dynamics of his 2016 race against Hillary Clinton. As noted earlier, in that race about one-quarter of the electorate held unfavorable views of both Trump and Clinton. This group broke decisively for Trump, providing him with the needed votes to win the Electoral College. As noted earlier, on this survey just seven percent (7%) of voters hold an unfavorable view of both Trump and Biden. In addition, Biden holds a thirty-one-point lead (47%-16%) with this dual unfavorable group. At this stage, Biden has been able to define this race as a contest between Trump and not Trump. The Trump campaign needs to turn this into a contest between Trump and a partisan Democrat opponent who has been in public life for more than four decades with a record worthy of scrutiny and critical review by voters


The political ploy has not been working even while many of us cringe at some Joe Biden lowlights.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1024 » by j4remi » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:35 pm



If the Daily Show can pull this off...it's not going to be that hard. :lol:

Now what yall really need to worry about is the voter suppression tactics that GONYK posted an article about not too long ago. Nothing is sticking to Biden with the country in the state that it's in; the GOP tactic left on the table is to make it harder to vote.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1025 » by Thepaintismine » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Thepaintismine wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
The ease with which moderates and progressives of the democratic party have taken up this republican disinformation campaign I personally find quite impressive.

Kudos to whoever came up with it.


Have you heard how many times Biden forgets what he says y'all? It isn't no disinfo campaign - the videos are everywhere.
Now Biden, who locked up millions O black folk with his criminal polices takes on Harris who added thousands mo to prison?
Match made (not in Heaven).
Can't wait for dem debates Ya'll! :lol:


As opposed to the idiotic, mushmouth fascist you like?

Yeah, the republican party from the 1950's forward. Real friends of the black people.

GTFO with your idiocy.


Address my point yo:
Biden/Harris - High Taxes, Open borders and more far left ideologies. They will collapse our economy comin out of CV19.

In clean English Yo - Imagine trying to win an election based on a foundation of lockdowns, business shutdowns, beach closures, social distancing, threats, fines, jail, looting, pillaging, gun control, defund the police............

This is gonna B a Shizz Show. :lol:

edit - And I'll add Biden and Harris both condemned President Trump for the China Travel Ban. You think CV19 is bad now? Would have been millions dead ya'll.
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Post#1026 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:46 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:By the way, what happens if Biden seriously stumbles during one of the debates and losses his train of thought and says, "Oh, never mind, my time is up anyhow"? What if that happens a few times over the course of 4 debates? Because if that happens, Trump will show NO MERCY. NONE. He'll call out Joe and he say to the audience, "See? This is what will happen in that moment in time when a crisis - an emergency - faces the U.S. and Joe can't put this thoughts together. They will have a field day.


Trump will do that, but he doesn't even have to. The audience will think it so regardless of what Trump does in that moment. That is the purpose of seeding the politic with Slow Joe, Hiden Biden and highlighting his many unforced errors and gaffes.

When it comes, and it will, doubt seeds will land in already fertilized ground.

Personally I think the big Biden hit will come in the form of Joe getting all riled up about something Trump says during the debate and showing anger. I've seen it a few times from Joe and it will turn off voters.

Trump will get Biden to flip out. You know he's going to be pushing those buttons.
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Post#1027 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:55 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:By the way, what happens if Biden seriously stumbles during one of the debates and losses his train of thought and says, "Oh, never mind, my time is up anyhow"? What if that happens a few times over the course of 4 debates? Because if that happens, Trump will show NO MERCY. NONE. He'll call out Joe and he say to the audience, "See? This is what will happen in that moment in time when a crisis - an emergency - faces the U.S. and Joe can't put this thoughts together. They will have a field day.


Trump will do that, but he doesn't even have to. The audience will think it so regardless of what Trump does in that moment. That is the purpose of seeding the politic with Slow Joe, Hiden Biden and highlighting his many unforced errors and gaffes.

When it comes, and it will, doubt seeds will land in already fertilized ground.

Personally I think the big Biden hit will come in the form of Joe getting all riled up about something Trump says during the debate and showing anger. I've seen it a few times from Joe and it will turn off voters.

Trump will get Biden to flip out. You know he's going to be pushing those buttons.


I just hope Joe doesn’t challenge him to a push up contest.
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Post#1028 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:00 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:By the way, what happens if Biden seriously stumbles during one of the debates and losses his train of thought and says, "Oh, never mind, my time is up anyhow"? What if that happens a few times over the course of 4 debates? Because if that happens, Trump will show NO MERCY. NONE. He'll call out Joe and he say to the audience, "See? This is what will happen in that moment in time when a crisis - an emergency - faces the U.S. and Joe can't put this thoughts together. They will have a field day.


Trump will do that, but he doesn't even have to. The audience will think it so regardless of what Trump does in that moment. That is the purpose of seeding the politic with Slow Joe, Hiden Biden and highlighting his many unforced errors and gaffes.

When it comes, and it will, doubt seeds will land in already fertilized ground.

Personally I think the big Biden hit will come in the form of Joe getting all riled up about something Trump says during the debate and showing anger. I've seen it a few times from Joe and it will turn off voters.

Trump will get Biden to flip out. You know he's going to be pushing those buttons.


I just hope Joe doesn’t challenge him to a push up contest.


It would be hilarious if he did!
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1029 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:10 pm

Thepaintismine wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Thepaintismine wrote:
Have you heard how many times Biden forgets what he says y'all? It isn't no disinfo campaign - the videos are everywhere.
Now Biden, who locked up millions O black folk with his criminal polices takes on Harris who added thousands mo to prison?
Match made (not in Heaven).
Can't wait for dem debates Ya'll! :lol:


As opposed to the idiotic, mushmouth fascist you like?

Yeah, the republican party from the 1950's forward. Real friends of the black people.

GTFO with your idiocy.


Address my point yo:
Biden/Harris - High Taxes, Open borders and more far left ideologies. They will collapse our economy comin out of CV19.

In clean English Yo - Imagine trying to win an election based on a foundation of lockdowns, business shutdowns, beach closures, social distancing, threats, fines, jail, looting, pillaging, gun control, defund the police............

This is gonna B a Shizz Show. :lol:

edit - And I'll add Biden and Harris both condemned President Trump for the China Travel Ban. You think CV19 is bad now? Would have been millions dead ya'll.


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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1030 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:12 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:By the way, what happens if Biden seriously stumbles during one of the debates and losses his train of thought and says, "Oh, never mind, my time is up anyhow"? What if that happens a few times over the course of 4 debates? Because if that happens, Trump will show NO MERCY. NONE. He'll call out Joe and he say to the audience, "See? This is what will happen in that moment in time when a crisis - an emergency - faces the U.S. and Joe can't put this thoughts together. They will have a field day.


Trump will do that, but he doesn't even have to. The audience will think it so regardless of what Trump does in that moment. That is the purpose of seeding the politic with Slow Joe, Hiden Biden and highlighting his many unforced errors and gaffes.

When it comes, and it will, doubt seeds will land in already fertilized ground.

Personally I think the big Biden hit will come in the form of Joe getting all riled up about something Trump says during the debate and showing anger. I've seen it a few times from Joe and it will turn off voters.

Trump will get Biden to flip out. You know he's going to be pushing those buttons.


Highlight his unforced errors and gaffes is the way Trump and his campaign deflect from Trump's MANY MORE unforced errors and gaffes.
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Post#1031 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:16 pm

Here we go. Special zone for the 3 or 4 regulars.

Enjoy it before the lock. :-)

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Post#1032 » by DOT » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:28 pm

Wait, I'm confused

Are Biden and Harris authoritarians who send untold numbers of people to prison unjustly, or are they for defunding the police and making us a lawless society with no cops?

Getting hard to keep the narrative straight in my head, I didn't get emailed my daily talking points
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1033 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:31 pm

K-DOT wrote:Wait, I'm confused

Are Biden and Harris authoritarians who send untold numbers of people to prison unjustly, or are they for defunding the police and making us a lawless society with no cops?

Getting hard to keep the narrative straight in my head, I didn't get emailed my daily talking points


All of they above.

Staying on message and beating you over the head with it is so 20th century, propaganda wise.

All the cool authoritarians look to bury you under a blizzard of bullsh*t nowadays.
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Post#1034 » by Capn'O » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:48 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Wait, I'm confused

Are Biden and Harris authoritarians who send untold numbers of people to prison unjustly, or are they for defunding the police and making us a lawless society with no cops?

Getting hard to keep the narrative straight in my head, I didn't get emailed my daily talking points


All of they above.

Staying on message and beating you over the head with it is so 20th century, propaganda wise.

All the cool authoritarians look to bury you under a blizzard of bullsh*t nowadays.


:lol: I was just thinking about this. Blatantly banning certain media (arts, lit, news, POVs) is too obvious so instead conspiracy theories and baldface obfuscation are championed to muddle objective information into oblivion. Why ban the media when you can disempower it through alternative facts?
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Post#1035 » by GONYK » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:53 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Wait, I'm confused

Are Biden and Harris authoritarians who send untold numbers of people to prison unjustly, or are they for defunding the police and making us a lawless society with no cops?

Getting hard to keep the narrative straight in my head, I didn't get emailed my daily talking points


All of they above.

Staying on message and beating you over the head with it is so 20th century, propaganda wise.

All the cool authoritarians look to bury you under a blizzard of bullsh*t nowadays.


Add to that, the army of black people Cory Booker is leading to remove white women from their suburban homes.

It's a crazy world
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Post#1036 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:59 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:By the way, what happens if Biden seriously stumbles during one of the debates and losses his train of thought and says, "Oh, never mind, my time is up anyhow"? What if that happens a few times over the course of 4 debates? Because if that happens, Trump will show NO MERCY. NONE. He'll call out Joe and he say to the audience, "See? This is what will happen in that moment in time when a crisis - an emergency - faces the U.S. and Joe can't put this thoughts together. They will have a field day.


Trump will do that, but he doesn't even have to. The audience will think it so regardless of what Trump does in that moment. That is the purpose of seeding the politic with Slow Joe, Hiden Biden and highlighting his many unforced errors and gaffes.

When it comes, and it will, doubt seeds will land in already fertilized ground.

Personally I think the big Biden hit will come in the form of Joe getting all riled up about something Trump says during the debate and showing anger. I've seen it a few times from Joe and it will turn off voters.

Trump will get Biden to flip out. You know he's going to be pushing those buttons.


Highlight his unforced errors and gaffes is the way Trump and his campaign deflect from Trump's MANY MORE unforced errors and gaffes.


Well then, Joe should just be Joe he has nothing to worry about. I disagree and we'll see how it plays out to see who's right. Of course we're both partisans so either one of us may not be seeing the forest for the trees.

The debates will be fun.
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Post#1037 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:04 pm

K-DOT wrote:Wait, I'm confused

Are Biden and Harris authoritarians who send untold numbers of people to prison unjustly, or are they for defunding the police and making us a lawless society with no cops?

Getting hard to keep the narrative straight in my head, I didn't get emailed my daily talking points


In the Democratic primary the former, in the general the latter. Hey, we're not the ones calling them authoritarian (even though they were, that's not our fight) don't pin that on us.

Just empty out the Democratic narrative and get ready to have your head bombarded with the Republican narrative you're going to be hearing a lot of it.
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Post#1038 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:17 pm

Pointgod wrote:This pick scares the **** out of Trump, it’s a good thing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-trump-aide-reportedly-most-scared-of-kamala-shes-the-least-flawed-of-2020-dems

Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., was the scariest would-be opponent for President Trump's reelection bid, one of the president's top campaign officials has reportedly said.

“The one who scares me the most in the general is Kamala Harris," the official said. Described by The Washington Times as a "key player" in Trump's campaign, the official said Harris was the "least flawed" Democratic hopeful in the crowded field of presidential aspirants,


Well, the President himself doesn't SEEM scared.


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Post#1039 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:23 pm

Capn'O wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Wait, I'm confused

Are Biden and Harris authoritarians who send untold numbers of people to prison unjustly, or are they for defunding the police and making us a lawless society with no cops?

Getting hard to keep the narrative straight in my head, I didn't get emailed my daily talking points


All of they above.

Staying on message and beating you over the head with it is so 20th century, propaganda wise.

All the cool authoritarians look to bury you under a blizzard of bullsh*t nowadays.


:lol: I was just thinking about this. Blatantly banning certain media (arts, lit, news, POVs) is too obvious so instead conspiracy theories and baldface obfuscation are championed to muddle objective information into oblivion. Why ban the media when you can disempower it through alternative facts?


It's a blended approach!

Takes an intelligent population to see though it. Then there is the USA.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1040 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:28 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Trump will do that, but he doesn't even have to. The audience will think it so regardless of what Trump does in that moment. That is the purpose of seeding the politic with Slow Joe, Hiden Biden and highlighting his many unforced errors and gaffes.

When it comes, and it will, doubt seeds will land in already fertilized ground.

Personally I think the big Biden hit will come in the form of Joe getting all riled up about something Trump says during the debate and showing anger. I've seen it a few times from Joe and it will turn off voters.

Trump will get Biden to flip out. You know he's going to be pushing those buttons.


Highlight his unforced errors and gaffes is the way Trump and his campaign deflect from Trump's MANY MORE unforced errors and gaffes.


Well then, Joe should just be Joe he has nothing to worry about. I disagree and we'll see how it plays out to see who's right. Of course we're both partisans so either one of us may not be seeing the forest for the trees.

The debates will be fun.


Joe will just be Joe. He was picked because he was a generic middle of the road white guy who appeals to middle Americans in scary "socialist\uppity negro" times and because he doesn't have the scary "socialist" moniker like ol' Bernie. It's just the way most Americans are. The ones that haven't turned completely reactionary, for a variety of reasons.

So, Joe will do Joe and do what any smart politician does running against an incumbent - you run against that guy's record and propose almost zero policy and let the election be a referendum on his 4 years. I mean, other than the large % of voters who will vote X or Y due to the intensely partisan nature of US politics now.
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