HarthorneWingo wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
I respond to you on occasion just to grease the wheels and keep the convo going, but this above response is why I only sometimes click the display button to see what someone on my ignore list is saying. I have to be honest, I've never found anything you have to say remotely grounded in reality and thus that interesting. And I always suspected that anyone who call themselves BallSacBounce is, well, not someone whose opinion I need to take into consideration. I will now only read you if someone replies to you, but I won't respond any longer since it perpetuates you being seen by other people who have you on ignore. Enjoy your alternate reality. Say hi to Q
I was told the same thing in 2016 when I said Trump was going to win, coworkers laughed and mocked and ridiculed me. So I said, let's bet on it. They did, later I laughed at them.
I'll never forget the stunned silence of bubble living people trying to make sense of reality. Sublime, an unbelievably delicious treat.
True but now we actually experienced the “real of the deal.” And it was pretty, pretty, pretty ugly. His complete bungling of his response to the virus, if nothing else, will sink his presidency. Also, he hasn’t accomplished very much of anything to help the middle class. His border wall is a waste of time and money and was done, like most things he pursues, just to soothe his fragile ego. Also the tax cut only served to line the pockets of the uber rich and corporations. Long Island middle class home owners got killed with his cut in the home mortgage interest deduction.
If you see an electoral path for Trump to re-election, then I’d love to it. But base it on solid poll numbers. Don’t come at me with. I Ben Shapiro BS.
This far out I don't even look at the polls. And when I do start looking at them I'll be paying attention for weighting and bias. That's what I did the last time and that was the fatal mistake for the doubters. They believed their own propaganda.
It should be no surprise at this point but sometimes others see things differently than you. Others see a vibrant economy, prosperous times which helped everyone before the virus and don't hold Trump accountable for the aftermath.
Others appreciate the wall and the sticking up for the American Worker he repeatedly does with the trade deals. Others prefer the law and order he stands for and have no stomach for the disorder and chaos allowed to run roughshod over their lives, believe it or not.
He'll lose New Yorkers? How exactly will that affect his electoral chances?
He will get re-elected. It's not just me saying these things.
Here's what swing voters are saying about Trump:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/opinions/swing-voters-midwest-trump-support-thau/index.htmlAnd, each month for the past 17 months, I've had a unique window into the Americans largely responsible for giving the president his slim Electoral College victory: so-called "Obama-Trump" swing voters across the upper Midwest.
Our Swing Voter Project has uncovered that many of these people, who live in places such as Canton, Ohio; Davenport, Iowa; Erie, Pennsylvania; and Macomb County, Michigan, prefer Trump over Biden. In fact, 22 of 33 respondents in these four most recent locations feel this way.
And over the first year of the project, from March 2019 through February 2020, more than two-thirds of the "Obama-Trump" voters said they would take Trump over Obama in a hypothetical match-up.
Beyond the numbers, though, it's critical to understand why so many of them continue to support Trump.
They think a businessman is best suited to turn the country around economically. They feel Covid-19 was not Trump's fault, and he's doing the best he can to contain it. They conflate the Black Lives Matter protesters with the rioters attacking federal buildings and retail shops. They don't want historic monuments torn down. And they dismiss defunding the police as ridiculous.
These voters tell me they want America finally to be put first; they oppose immigration and trade policies they say give benefits to foreigners at their expense. And they want a non-politician who relentlessly fights back, after witnessing too many office holders fold in the face of special interests.
These voters may sound like typical Fox News watchers, but, significantly, the overwhelming majority are not. Many are, instead, people who get their news disproportionately from local television, regional websites and Facebook. Compared to the kinds of people who seek out news from national cable channels, many swing voters reside in a national politics desert.
In short, while America's political media generate a pipeline's worth of information daily, these swing voters consume merely a trickle.
Consider this: Over the past several months, most of my "Obama-Trump" voters couldn't name a single thing Biden had said or done regarding the pandemic. In bellwether Macomb County, on July 21, none of the nine voters I interviewed could name a single thing Biden had achieved in nearly 50 years in national politics.
Worse for the former vice president, several told me Biden would be a "puppet" of others if he were elected. That's because many are convinced he has "dementia," and they mocked him after seeing videos of his misstatements online.
That said, these voters are under no illusions about Trump's shortcomings. They hate the tweeting, but some tolerate it as the price for hiring the relentless fighter they want. As one woman in Edina, Minnesota, told me, Trump makes her feel "confident, but sometimes a little cringe-worthy."
In January 2016, I made a bet with a client that Trump would be the GOP nominee, when no one had yet voted. My client thought I was crazy, and even remarked, "Just to be clear, you get Trump, and I get the 16 other candidates?" After Trump won the nomination, my client thought I was a genius. I'm far from it, but I'm a pretty good listener.
What I heard was a certain candidate for president sounding exactly like the center-right focus group respondents I'd been interviewing for nearly 15 years. They and Trump shared the same grievances about America's decline and expressed them in a similarly simple and straight forward way. No other politician came close in terms of expressing what these people truly felt.
This year, Trump will not be able to vilify Biden. These swing voters do not dislike Biden the way they still dislike Hillary Clinton. And, so, Trump is taking a different approach, casting doubt on Biden by focusing on questions of his mental acuity and verbal mistakes. And he will likely get far by alleging Biden's lifetime in politics has not having yielded a single, career-defining achievement.
So there it is. Life outside your bubble.
