Can we please talk about what Adrian griffin ex has excused of him

[ash_k]

The man finally got his opportunity last night, setting himself up for next coach/payday...and bang..She only hurt her wallet(by going public) that's all she did...Griffin better be packing his bags right now

Not hurting wife beater Jason Kidd.

He was still relatively a young player and he is 'Jason Kidd'

[OGLife]

This was an obvious cry for help from someone who has spent months trying to publicize her claims that her husband has physically and mentally assaulted her many times and that despite her attempts to get the courts to force him to pay his child support he continues to not do so and is 4x in contempt of court. Yes she is doing this when he is suddenly in the news but that's because she saw an opportunity to make an impact and guess what, it worked. If her claims are true then she is the one whose life has been destroyed and he is the one who deserves to be attacked not her. get with the program man. i assume you support black lives matter? or are you on the wrong side of that one too?

1. I do support BLM and I support the methods of peaceful protests in Canada.
2. She got a divorce and it's done. If he's missing payments, I'm sure she can request that the courts make his employer aware of the order and they would deduct the child support payments to her anytime he gets paid. Therefore, 1) she must have been given terrible legal advice 2) there's another reason, such as:
3. About the child support, it has become an issue when the NBA suspended it's season WITHOUT an agreement of how the pay would work. Is he supposed to just pay her even if he's not getting paid? That's not how the law works.
3. I bet if this were you and a ex was out to destroy you, for whatever reason, you would shed a different light. Don't be a hypocrite.

the problem is that - unless you know a lot more about the facts of this situation than the rest of us - you are making an assumption that she is 'out to destroy him'.

The reason this relates to BLM is that one of the main goals of the BLM movement is to make white folks understand that systemic racism is a condition of daily life for black folks and that it manifests in many different ways, including all kinds of unfounded and unfair immediate assumptions about who is at fault when there are altercations between white folks and black folks.

There has been another big movement in the past couple years that has also been about protesting systemic discrimination and violence and raising awareness about a group of people in our society who have experienced assaults by those with more political, social and economic power for generations. and just as racist white cops and others have gotten away with their discriminatory assaults against black men for years, so have the people doing the assaulting in this other movement done so with impunity for years. except that now that is starting to change as members of this victimized group are at last feeling empowered to speak out, even though doing so is risky for them because there is often a wicked backlash. and yet they are doing it.

this other movement is the #metoo movement and just as BLM demands that white folks check their privilege and understand the depth and scale of systemic racism that black folks face, #metoo demands that women be believed when they speak out about sexual violence and domestic abuse, that their words be supported and their claims assumed to be true. even though in some small minority of cases they are not. but the women who are physically abused by men vastly outnumber the women who are not abused but pretend to be, so the #metoo movement insists that we start by believing women, and yes, then we go and assess the facts, but we do so not from the assumption that they are lying ho's out to 'destroy men's lives', anymore than we should believe that a black kid with a toy in his front yard is a lethal threat to a cop.

if you respect women and understand that like black folks they are the victims of generational discrimination, then you need to support the demands of #metoo the same way BLM asks others to support its demands for fairness and equality and recognition of embedded social bias. which means you have to start by believing that men beat and gaslight women and abandon their kids all the time. so the assumption should be, 'oh, another example of this common occurrence of patriarchal abuse' not 'oh look another ho trying to railroad a good man'.

Ok, so why did she decide to tag all these media members at the same time he finished coaching his first game as a Raptors HC? If it's not revenge because she cannot deal with what happened in the past then what is it?

I'm not dismissing the whole abused women (and men) should keep quiet when discussing what they had experienced and try to seek an opportunity to find themselves again.

It's just not healthy to target a person from the past to destroy his life in order to seek fulfillment. It's clearly what she intended to do since she still hasn't recovered. She's still hateful. The hate overlapped her decision making. Why? Because she saw him receiving love from teammates and media members. She didn't want him to have an emotion she lost.

This is why I believe her. However, it's not healthy (or right) to target the person so they feel less in life than you do.

[visionquest]

As for the ex, if Griff loses his job, she will likely get less support.

If the allegations are true, he probably wont be hired by other teams for PR reasons.

Going public could end very badly for her.

[Pooh_Jeter]

I really thought you were being sarcastic... you want to fire Ujiri then? You think you can know everyone's background for real?

And do you think it's legal to interview a man's wife before hiring him? For real?

If these accusations have ANY veracity at all, yes he should be fired.

No, I don't believe we are all Professor X, but when accusations such as these are made you should be aware. Organizations constantly interview character witnesses when hiring people. It's not like she would have been forced to talk, she would have either talked or politely declined. It's no different than the due dilligence one does as a scout. You don't think the scouts pour over their history and talk to as many people as they can?

It is not legal to even ask someone if they are married but you expect an employer to know how their marriage is an ask his wife? No, I don't think people (anyone, anywhere, in any leadership capacity) does what you are suggesting. and I don't suspect they would lead for long if they do. What the actual ****.

So you're right breaking the law doing what you just suggested.... Do we ask for your employer to fire you and then resign if you actually did it?

i think you need to think about what would happen and the repercussions if an employer were allowed to talk with everyone you dated or friend you had.

You are completely naive if you think in the corporate world (particularly sports) that stuff like this isn't asked and investigated.

It's been documented what a lot of draft prospects are asked about and frankly the same goes for corporate employees. Read up on Aaron Hernandez.

We have seen case after case of organizations with rampant racial discrimination and sexual harassment being covered up and almost encouraged and you think someone asking what might be an indelicate question to actually PREVENT that stuff from happening is a no go?

[Pooh_Jeter]

Knowing that divorces are messy, I’m going to hold my opinion until all the facts are in.
I would expect the front office to do their due diligence but they might not have been privy to this info until now.
As far as the teenage ball girl part, 18-19 is considered teenager so although icky it would not be illegal or immoral. If younger than 18 than obviously it’s repugnant and should result in termination.

This.

Like 10 posts before this you just called her a bitter and angry woman. Maybe follow your own advice?

[Syd-TK3]

Well this blew up quick

[Zeno]

Poor Nurse. Tries to do a solid for his lead assistant and ends up with a media storm and possibly a diminished coaching staff days before the playoffs. Obviously, that’s not the main concern here but talk about a good deed blowing up in your face.

[lobosloboslobos]

1. I do support BLM and I support the methods of peaceful protests in Canada.
2. She got a divorce and it's done. If he's missing payments, I'm sure she can request that the courts make his employer aware of the order and they would deduct the child support payments to her anytime he gets paid. Therefore, 1) she must have been given terrible legal advice 2) there's another reason, such as:
3. About the child support, it has become an issue when the NBA suspended it's season WITHOUT an agreement of how the pay would work. Is he supposed to just pay her even if he's not getting paid? That's not how the law works.
3. I bet if this were you and a ex was out to destroy you, for whatever reason, you would shed a different light. Don't be a hypocrite.

the problem is that - unless you know a lot more about the facts of this situation than the rest of us - you are making an assumption that she is 'out to destroy him'.

The reason this relates to BLM is that one of the main goals of the BLM movement is to make white folks understand that systemic racism is a condition of daily life for black folks and that it manifests in many different ways, including all kinds of unfounded and unfair immediate assumptions about who is at fault when there are altercations between white folks and black folks.

There has been another big movement in the past couple years that has also been about protesting systemic discrimination and violence and raising awareness about a group of people in our society who have experienced assaults by those with more political, social and economic power for generations. and just as racist white cops and others have gotten away with their discriminatory assaults against black men for years, so have the people doing the assaulting in this other movement done so with impunity for years. except that now that is starting to change as members of this victimized group are at last feeling empowered to speak out, even though doing so is risky for them because there is often a wicked backlash. and yet they are doing it.

this other movement is the #metoo movement and just as BLM demands that white folks check their privilege and understand the depth and scale of systemic racism that black folks face, #metoo demands that women be believed when they speak out about sexual violence and domestic abuse, that their words be supported and their claims assumed to be true. even though in some small minority of cases they are not. but the women who are physically abused by men vastly outnumber the women who are not abused but pretend to be, so the #metoo movement insists that we start by believing women, and yes, then we go and assess the facts, but we do so not from the assumption that they are lying ho's out to 'destroy men's lives', anymore than we should believe that a black kid with a toy in his front yard is a lethal threat to a cop.

if you respect women and understand that like black folks they are the victims of generational discrimination, then you need to support the demands of #metoo the same way BLM asks others to support its demands for fairness and equality and recognition of embedded social bias. which means you have to start by believing that men beat and gaslight women and abandon their kids all the time. so the assumption should be, 'oh, another example of this common occurrence of patriarchal abuse' not 'oh look another ho trying to railroad a good man'.

Ok, so why did she decide to tag all these media members at the same time he finished coaching his first game as a Raptors HC? If it's not revenge because she cannot deal with what happened in the past then what is it?

I'm not dismissing the whole abused women (and men) should keep quiet when discussing what they had experienced and try to seek an opportunity to find themselves again.

It's just not healthy to target a person from the past to destroy his life in order to seek fulfillment. It's clearly what she intended to do since she still hasn't recovered. She's still hateful. The hate overlapped her decision making. Why? Because she saw him receiving love from teammates and media members. She didn't want him to have an emotion she lost.

This is why I believe her. However, it's not healthy (or right) to target the person so they feel less in life than you do.

again with the assumptions that she is hateful and trying to destroy his life. if you can, put yourself in her shoes. i'm not saying what she said is true, but I am wiling to assume that at the very least it might be. so say for the sake of discussion it is. say that he has been defaulting on his child support payments again and again and she has had to go to court and he has been cited for contempt 4 times and he still refuses to pay to support his kids. say he has beaten her repeatedly and never faced any consequences because like many many abused women she did not speak up for fear of what would happen, including the commonplace reality of not being believed. say that he has been actively trying to turn their kids against her by claiming that things that she is saying that actually did happen are all lies she made up to discredit him. and say it is working. that her kids are turning against her. (she tweeted about parental alienation, as this is called, many times this summer. in some countries it is illegal and criminal but here it is barely understood to be a thing) say she is suffering from deep emotional trauma, gaslighting, financial difficulties and losing her kids all because of him, and no matter what the court says he seems to be getting away with it all. and so she sees him being praised on TV and in the news and hailed as this wonderful fine fellow and so she says i can't take it any more. i'm telling the world again, but this time doing it in a way where maybe they will listen. so that maybe i can get my self-respect back, my mental health back, my kids back, my money back, my life back.

that is how this actually works for countless women. these are real things that happen to women all the freaking time. they don't challenge their circumstances any way they can in order to destroy their exes but in order not to be destroyed themselves.

if you can't see how realistic and how common the scenario above is then you are not nearly as aware of actual discrimination in this world as you think you are.

[Pooh_Jeter]

This is despicable. Instead of an actual investigation, the Raptors organization took a side. I'm ashamed to be a Raptors fan.

[GLF]

This is despicable. Instead of an actual investigation, the Raptors organization took a side. I'm ashamed to be a Raptors fan.

Yea that's not a good look at all.

[carnage24]

This is despicable. Instead of an actual investigation, the Raptors organization took a side. I'm ashamed to be a Raptors fan.

This is really bad. They are just letting Griffin handle it on his own and not doing anything about it. Unbelievable

In any other organization the person would be on a leave of absence or at the very worst, fired.

[Pooh_Jeter]

This is despicable. Instead of an actual investigation, the Raptors organization took a side. I'm ashamed to be a Raptors fan.

This is really bad. They are just letting Griffin handle it on his own and not doing anything about it. Unbelievable

In any other organization the person would be on a leave of absence or at the very worst, fired.

It's beyond weak. For an organization that puffed out it's chest having a BLM painted bus, hiring a diversity coordinator and having gender diversity in the corporate structure this taints it all and makes you really wonder about their motivations.

[MixxSRC]

Let the legal system deal with it. It was right response. If there's legal dispute Raptors shouldn't start investigation of their employee.

[Raps in 4]

This is despicable. Instead of an actual investigation, the Raptors organization took a side. I'm ashamed to be a Raptors fan.

This is really bad. They are just letting Griffin handle it on his own and not doing anything about it. Unbelievable

In any other organization the person would be on a leave of absence or at the very worst, fired.

Most organizations only go that far if the abuse victim is another employee or if it's a criminal case. Organization's investigate internal matters and shy away from bad PR. Since this isn't an internal matter, and I presume they've determined it won't hurt their brand, they have decided not to do anything about it. It's a reasonable response.

[Johnny Bball]

If these accusations have ANY veracity at all, yes he should be fired.

No, I don't believe we are all Professor X, but when accusations such as these are made you should be aware. Organizations constantly interview character witnesses when hiring people. It's not like she would have been forced to talk, she would have either talked or politely declined. It's no different than the due dilligence one does as a scout. You don't think the scouts pour over their history and talk to as many people as they can?

It is not legal to even ask someone if they are married but you expect an employer to know how their marriage is an ask his wife? No, I don't think people (anyone, anywhere, in any leadership capacity) does what you are suggesting. and I don't suspect they would lead for long if they do. What the actual ****.

So you're right breaking the law doing what you just suggested.... Do we ask for your employer to fire you and then resign if you actually did it?

i think you need to think about what would happen and the repercussions if an employer were allowed to talk with everyone you dated or friend you had.

You are completely naive if you think in the corporate world (particularly sports) that stuff like this isn't asked and investigated.

It's been documented what a lot of draft prospects are asked about and frankly the same goes for corporate employees. Read up on Aaron Hernandez.

We have seen case after case of organizations with rampant racial discrimination and sexual harassment being covered up and almost encouraged and you think someone asking what might be an indelicate question to actually PREVENT that stuff from happening is a no go?

No, you are completely out of line of you think large corporations do this! They have other means to determine a persons nature but what you're suggesting is insane bud. You may have come across some of these and not known the purpose of the test or line of questioning.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS YOU ARE SUGGESTING PRECISELY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DISCRIMINATION!

[TheRealDeal]

I know it’s irrelevant (never judge a book by its cover) but he comes across as such a kind, soft spoken & genuinely good dude. It’s difficult for me to picture him doing any of the things she accused him of

[Raps in 4]

If these accusations have ANY veracity at all, yes he should be fired.

No, I don't believe we are all Professor X, but when accusations such as these are made you should be aware. Organizations constantly interview character witnesses when hiring people. It's not like she would have been forced to talk, she would have either talked or politely declined. It's no different than the due dilligence one does as a scout. You don't think the scouts pour over their history and talk to as many people as they can?

It is not legal to even ask someone if they are married but you expect an employer to know how their marriage is an ask his wife? No, I don't think people (anyone, anywhere, in any leadership capacity) does what you are suggesting. and I don't suspect they would lead for long if they do. What the actual ****.

So you're right breaking the law doing what you just suggested.... Do we ask for your employer to fire you and then resign if you actually did it?

i think you need to think about what would happen and the repercussions if an employer were allowed to talk with everyone you dated or friend you had.

You are completely naive if you think in the corporate world (particularly sports) that stuff like this isn't asked and investigated.

It's been documented what a lot of draft prospects are asked about and frankly the same goes for corporate employees. Read up on Aaron Hernandez.

We have seen case after case of organizations with rampant racial discrimination and sexual harassment being covered up and almost encouraged and you think someone asking what might be an indelicate question to actually PREVENT that stuff from happening is a no go?

It 100% isn't investigated. I have been on hiring committees for people that make a lot more than Adrian Griffin. If they ever abused someone and the case was never reported to police, we would never know. I have never heard of an organization that hires private investigators to learn more about potential hires. It would be a colossal waste of money, an invasion of privacy, and a great way to have talent avoid your organization.

[Johnny Bball]

Knowing that divorces are messy, I’m going to hold my opinion until all the facts are in.
I would expect the front office to do their due diligence but they might not have been privy to this info until now.
As far as the teenage ball girl part, 18-19 is considered teenager so although icky it would not be illegal or immoral. If younger than 18 than obviously it’s repugnant and should result in termination.

This.

Like 10 posts before this you just called her a bitter and angry woman. Maybe follow your own advice?

Lol. I said three things that are entirely factual. I also said I don't know what Griffin is like and something is wrong (1). But when that kind of venom hits social media, it's 100% anger and bitterness (2 and 3). Or do you think she's just happy and working through the process. Look, I appreciate you trying to stand up for women, but don't try to slag me in the process because you're argument about hiring and HR laws are 100% incorrect.

I'm also going to bet i have experience in one more thing that you, and that is unfortunately divorce.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Let the legal system deal with it. It was right response. If there's legal dispute Raptors shouldn't start investigation of their employee.

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

[OGLife]

the problem is that - unless you know a lot more about the facts of this situation than the rest of us - you are making an assumption that she is 'out to destroy him'.

The reason this relates to BLM is that one of the main goals of the BLM movement is to make white folks understand that systemic racism is a condition of daily life for black folks and that it manifests in many different ways, including all kinds of unfounded and unfair immediate assumptions about who is at fault when there are altercations between white folks and black folks.

There has been another big movement in the past couple years that has also been about protesting systemic discrimination and violence and raising awareness about a group of people in our society who have experienced assaults by those with more political, social and economic power for generations. and just as racist white cops and others have gotten away with their discriminatory assaults against black men for years, so have the people doing the assaulting in this other movement done so with impunity for years. except that now that is starting to change as members of this victimized group are at last feeling empowered to speak out, even though doing so is risky for them because there is often a wicked backlash. and yet they are doing it.

this other movement is the #metoo movement and just as BLM demands that white folks check their privilege and understand the depth and scale of systemic racism that black folks face, #metoo demands that women be believed when they speak out about sexual violence and domestic abuse, that their words be supported and their claims assumed to be true. even though in some small minority of cases they are not. but the women who are physically abused by men vastly outnumber the women who are not abused but pretend to be, so the #metoo movement insists that we start by believing women, and yes, then we go and assess the facts, but we do so not from the assumption that they are lying ho's out to 'destroy men's lives', anymore than we should believe that a black kid with a toy in his front yard is a lethal threat to a cop.

if you respect women and understand that like black folks they are the victims of generational discrimination, then you need to support the demands of #metoo the same way BLM asks others to support its demands for fairness and equality and recognition of embedded social bias. which means you have to start by believing that men beat and gaslight women and abandon their kids all the time. so the assumption should be, 'oh, another example of this common occurrence of patriarchal abuse' not 'oh look another ho trying to railroad a good man'.

Ok, so why did she decide to tag all these media members at the same time he finished coaching his first game as a Raptors HC? If it's not revenge because she cannot deal with what happened in the past then what is it?

I'm not dismissing the whole abused women (and men) should keep quiet when discussing what they had experienced and try to seek an opportunity to find themselves again.

It's just not healthy to target a person from the past to destroy his life in order to seek fulfillment. It's clearly what she intended to do since she still hasn't recovered. She's still hateful. The hate overlapped her decision making. Why? Because she saw him receiving love from teammates and media members. She didn't want him to have an emotion she lost.

This is why I believe her. However, it's not healthy (or right) to target the person so they feel less in life than you do.

again with the assumptions that she is hateful and trying to destroy his life. if you can, put yourself in her shoes. i'm not saying what she said is true, but I am wiling to assume that at the very least it might be. so say for the sake of discussion it is. say that he has been defaulting on his child support payments again and again and she has had to go to court and he has been cited for contempt 4 times and he still refuses to pay to support his kids. say he has beaten her repeatedly and never faced any consequences because like many many abused women she did not speak up for fear of what would happen, including the commonplace reality of not being believed. say that he has been actively trying to turn their kids against her by claiming that things that she is saying that actually did happen are all lies she made up to discredit him. and say it is working. that her kids are turning against her. (she tweeted about parental alienation, as this is called, many times this summer. in some countries it is illegal and criminal but here it is barely understood to be a thing) say she is suffering from deep emotional trauma, gaslighting, financial difficulties and losing her kids all because of him, and no matter what the court says he seems to be getting away with it all. and so she sees him being praised on TV and in the news and hailed as this wonderful fine fellow and so she says i can't take it any more. i'm telling the world again, but this time doing it in a way where maybe they will listen. so that maybe i can get my self-respect back, my mental health back, my kids back, my money back, my life back.

that is how this actually works for countless women. these are real things that happen to women all the freaking time. they don't challenge their circumstances any way they can in order to destroy their exes but in order not to be destroyed themselves.

if you can't see how realistic and how common the scenario above is then you are not nearly as aware of actual discrimination in this world as you think you are.

1. Divorce Courts do not care about the reasons for divorce. It's mutual that both parties want to divorce. You can paint any picture of what the person is like, but the kids most likely go to the mother. It's a basis ass system that needs to reconsider the roles of BOTH parents.

2. It is not acceptable to air out your pain to destroy your ex. There are plenty of other resources you can use instead of resorting to this. Do you know if she even tried to see a doctor or even join a group with a counselor? What he did, If he did, was wrong. What she did was in response to belittle him out of anger and jealously to seek revenge.

3. We don't know just what the timeline is when he missed those child support payments. Was it during the suspension? I mean it's since June 2020. Wasnt the NBA deciding how to deal with how guys would get paid?

4. Also, no person should have to rely on child support payments to survive. It's directly to the benefit of her child. I am sure she received money in the values of what they owned during the divorce. Her youngest child is 17. She can rely on her own 2 instead of insisting on child support payments that are for the CHILD. I'm also certain the reason she's not trying to do better is because those child support payments are handsomely.

5. No child can be manipulated to favor a person who assaulted his victim. The child would always side with the victim. She's painting a picture that her kids are going against her when she's had custody of them and THEY HAVE NEVER REQUESTED THE COURT TO AMEND THE CUSTODY AGREEMENT SO THEY CAN LIVE WITH THEIR FATHER. How much damage could he do if the kids have zero issue living with their mom.

The only things she accused him of that I would believe is the possibility of abuse. I just don't know his reason for leaving her. It's very one sided, but abuse is a common reason for couples to get divorced so let's just go with it.