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Post#1061 » by Ruzious » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:46 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Joe reminds me of Jerome Robinson - who went way too high (13th) in the 2018 draft. He'll probably play in the NBA, but it's easy to find players like him in the G League, imo. Joe's probably a slightly better shooter while also being a little skinnier.


I've been impressed by Joe's defense, so that's one place the comparison fails for me.

Robinson's a bad team defender and can't cover big wings at all, but he's a solid 1 on 1 defender against wings who aren't very strong. Sorry, I don't expect Joe to be significantly better on D because of his lack of strength.
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Ruzious wrote:Joe reminds me of Jerome Robinson - who went way too high (13th) in the 2018 draft. He'll probably play in the NBA, but it's easy to find players like him in the G League, imo. Joe's probably a slightly better shooter while also being a little skinnier.


I've been impressed by Joe's defense, so that's one place the comparison fails for me.

Robinson's a bad team defender and can't cover big wings at all, but he's a solid 1 on 1 defender against wings who aren't very strong. Sorry, I don't expect Joe to be significantly better on D because of his lack of strength.

That's where projection comes in. If you project that Joe can get up to 200 or so, he becomes exponentially more valuable. He has the mentality of someone stronger and is not afraid of contact, which bodes well for him once he adds the weight and can hold his ground better.

If it comes down to you believing he'll stay 180 forever, then fine, but he is a much more well-rounded player than Jerome Robinson was.
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Post#1063 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:22 pm

Zero talk about Robert Woodard so far? The more I read up on him the more I think there's some serious untapped potential there. Plus athlete in an NBA level frame (6'7, 230 lb, 7'1 wingspan), massive improvement from 3PT range (albeit low volume) and overall from his freshman to sophomore year. Great rebounder, defensive versatility is there. Is it the FT shooting that's putting people off? I like him a whole lot more than someone like Jah'mius Ramsey, Bolmaro, or Tyler Bey.
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Post#1064 » by RiotPunch » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Zero talk about Robert Woodard so far? The more I read up on him the more I think there's some serious untapped potential there. Plus athlete in an NBA level frame (6'7, 230 lb, 7'1 wingspan), massive improvement from 3PT range (albeit low volume) and overall from his freshman to sophomore year. Great rebounder, defensive versatility is there. Is it the FT shooting that's putting people off? I like him a whole lot more than someone like Jah'mius Ramsey, Bolmaro, or Tyler Bey.

Lack of creation and doubts about the shot mostly. He's a lot of fun though, plays with a lot of energy, would not mind adding that kind of wing size/athleticism and defensive versatility.

Could not take him over Bolmaro, but could understand having Bey/Woodard in the same tier.

Not a fan of Ramsey, although McLemore's recent strong play might boost his stock.
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I've been impressed by Joe's defense, so that's one place the comparison fails for me.

Robinson's a bad team defender and can't cover big wings at all, but he's a solid 1 on 1 defender against wings who aren't very strong. Sorry, I don't expect Joe to be significantly better on D because of his lack of strength.

That's where projection comes in. If you project that Joe can get up to 200 or so, he becomes exponentially more valuable. He has the mentality of someone stronger and is not afraid of contact, which bodes well for him once he adds the weight and can hold his ground better.

If it comes down to you believing he'll stay 180 forever, then fine, but he is a much more well-rounded player than Jerome Robinson was.

It's not about projecting he'll be 180 forever - it's about looking at his frame and seeing he's not a special athlete.
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Ruzious wrote:Robinson's a bad team defender and can't cover big wings at all, but he's a solid 1 on 1 defender against wings who aren't very strong. Sorry, I don't expect Joe to be significantly better on D because of his lack of strength.

That's where projection comes in. If you project that Joe can get up to 200 or so, he becomes exponentially more valuable. He has the mentality of someone stronger and is not afraid of contact, which bodes well for him once he adds the weight and can hold his ground better.

If it comes down to you believing he'll stay 180 forever, then fine, but he is a much more well-rounded player than Jerome Robinson was.

It's not about projecting he'll be 180 forever - it's about looking at his frame and seeing he's not a special athlete.

That's fair, he is is not a special athlete. I think he is athletic enough and moves well laterally, would be very interested to get official wingspan, reach, vert measurements on him.
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Post#1067 » by Ruzious » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:24 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Zero talk about Robert Woodard so far? The more I read up on him the more I think there's some serious untapped potential there. Plus athlete in an NBA level frame (6'7, 230 lb, 7'1 wingspan), massive improvement from 3PT range (albeit low volume) and overall from his freshman to sophomore year. Great rebounder, defensive versatility is there. Is it the FT shooting that's putting people off? I like him a whole lot more than someone like Jah'mius Ramsey, Bolmaro, or Tyler Bey.

Lack of creation and doubts about the shot mostly. He's a lot of fun though, plays with a lot of energy, would not mind adding that kind of wing size/athleticism and defensive versatility.

Could not take him over Bolmaro, but could understand having Bey/Woodard in the same tier.

Not a fan of Ramsey, although McLemore's recent strong play might boost his stock.

The stats guys seem to love TBey - not to the extent they loved Brandon Clarke last draft - but not too far behind. I'm more of an SBey guy - because he can be a high volume 3 point marksman and is smart enough to be a better version of Jared Dudley, imo. I know people don't like his athleticism, but he's a better athlete than Dudley ever was - and Dudley was effective for several seasons and plays that same type of game. Heck, I don't think he's any less athletic than Middleton.
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Post#1068 » by RiotPunch » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:52 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Zero talk about Robert Woodard so far? The more I read up on him the more I think there's some serious untapped potential there. Plus athlete in an NBA level frame (6'7, 230 lb, 7'1 wingspan), massive improvement from 3PT range (albeit low volume) and overall from his freshman to sophomore year. Great rebounder, defensive versatility is there. Is it the FT shooting that's putting people off? I like him a whole lot more than someone like Jah'mius Ramsey, Bolmaro, or Tyler Bey.

Lack of creation and doubts about the shot mostly. He's a lot of fun though, plays with a lot of energy, would not mind adding that kind of wing size/athleticism and defensive versatility.

Could not take him over Bolmaro, but could understand having Bey/Woodard in the same tier.

Not a fan of Ramsey, although McLemore's recent strong play might boost his stock.

The stats guys seem to love TBey - not to the extent they loved Brandon Clarke last draft - but not too far behind. I'm more of an SBey guy - because he can be a high volume 3 point marksman and is smart enough to be a better version of Jared Dudley, imo. I know people don't like his athleticism, but he's a better athlete than Dudley ever was - and Dudley was effective for several seasons and plays that same type of game. Heck, I don't think he's any less athletic than Middleton.

I definitely think Saddiq is a guy that will play for a long time, being a big shooter will generally keep you rostered. He is smart and motivated, plays hard, all things that are easy to love. His length helps negate some of his athletic shortcomings.

He moves way worse than Khris though IMO and doesn't have nearly the same shake to his game. Khris has been able to defend well against wings in the NBA (let's not talk about the Magic game, lol) but I think Saddiq almost has to be a small-ball four due to his limitations (even though he has shown capable of corralling speedy guards like Devon Dotson in a pinch). He is also really poor at getting over screens, which is not ideal. Great team defender though. Duds is a solid comp, but he was a better rebounder and passer coming out of BC.

I see a bit of Cameron Johnson, but again, Bey needs to be a more consistent rebounder. Jarvis Hayes maybe? Overall, I would welcome his high BBIQ and lethal spot-up shooting while questioning his impact/ceiling. For the record, I have him slightly ahead of TBey/Woodard, so I've risen on him a bit.
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Post#1069 » by emunney » Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:44 am

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I've been impressed by Joe's defense, so that's one place the comparison fails for me.

Robinson's a bad team defender and can't cover big wings at all, but he's a solid 1 on 1 defender against wings who aren't very strong. Sorry, I don't expect Joe to be significantly better on D because of his lack of strength.

That's where projection comes in. If you project that Joe can get up to 200 or so, he becomes exponentially more valuable. He has the mentality of someone stronger and is not afraid of contact, which bodes well for him once he adds the weight and can hold his ground better.

If it comes down to you believing he'll stay 180 forever, then fine, but he is a much more well-rounded player than Jerome Robinson was.


That's exactly it. I love skinny kids who mix it up even though they end up getting pushed around sometimes. Sometimes they stay skinny, but when they work and get stronger, their skills can really shine. And Joe is skilled.

He was one of my guys to watch before the season and I was overall disappointed because he didn't take off like I thought he would. But there's still something there worth working on.
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Post#1070 » by machu46 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:09 pm

The Ringer updated their big board and mock draft today: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

I think there's some major movement for some of the guys I've seen getting some love in here. Isaiah Joe is at #26 and Yam Madar is at #34. My personal heart throb Cassius Winston is now down to #39.
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Post#1071 » by Ruzious » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:14 pm

machu46 wrote:The Ringer updated their big board and mock draft today: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

I think there's some major movement for some of the guys I've seen getting some love in here. Isaiah Joe is at #26 and Yam Madar is at #34. My personal heart throb Cassius Winston is now down to #39.

Oh wow, they have Killian Hayes at #1? I actually don't disagree with that.
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Post#1072 » by machu46 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:17 pm

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machu46 wrote:The Ringer updated their big board and mock draft today: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

I think there's some major movement for some of the guys I've seen getting some love in here. Isaiah Joe is at #26 and Yam Madar is at #34. My personal heart throb Cassius Winston is now down to #39.

Oh wow, they have Killian Hayes at #1? I actually don't disagree with that.


Yeah, O'Connor has had him at #1 I think since the day he unveiled his big board.
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Post#1073 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:27 pm

Ruzious wrote:
machu46 wrote:The Ringer updated their big board and mock draft today: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

I think there's some major movement for some of the guys I've seen getting some love in here. Isaiah Joe is at #26 and Yam Madar is at #34. My personal heart throb Cassius Winston is now down to #39.

Oh wow, they have Killian Hayes at #1? I actually don't disagree with that.


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Post#1074 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:30 pm

Is Killian Tillie worth the #24? Seems like his injuries would be the only reason he'd fall to us.
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Post#1075 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:01 pm

Really like Hayes as a prospect but yikes, if he's your #1 graded guy then this draft really is barren of blue-chip talent. I'd still probably just take Wiseman and call it a day.
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Post#1076 » by LuessiT » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:00 pm

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machu46 wrote:The Ringer updated their big board and mock draft today: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

I think there's some major movement for some of the guys I've seen getting some love in here. Isaiah Joe is at #26 and Yam Madar is at #34. My personal heart throb Cassius Winston is now down to #39.

Oh wow, they have Killian Hayes at #1? I actually don't disagree with that.


I'm not sure what he's shown in workouts but I see potentially a version of Harden in him (and not only because he's a lefty). There's been concern about his upside with his somewhat limited athleticism but his footwork for someone his age shooting off the dribble is remarkable.
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Post#1077 » by RiotPunch » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:51 am

DX mock has:

14. Killian Hayes
15. Cole Anthony
16. Tyrese Maxey

Just nuts to me that they could drop so far, but they must have some sort of league intel. Makes me more optimistic we might really get an opportunity to move up 8-10 spots to land a pretty special guard.
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Post#1078 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:57 am

RiotPunch wrote:DX mock has:

14. Killian Hayes
15. Cole Anthony
16. Tyrese Maxey

Just nuts to me that they could drop so far, but they must have some sort of league intel. Makes me more optimistic we might really get an opportunity to move up 8-10 spots to land a pretty special guard.


I hate to be the downer again but nothing I've seen out of any of them screams special. I'd be looking to trade any pick I got in the lotto. Hayes being ranked as high as he's been is absolutely baffling to me. Maybe it's totally because of the strength of the class that he's mocked high, but I'd be bummed as hell if this was my rare chance at the top of the lotto and this was the class I'm picking from.
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Post#1079 » by RiotPunch » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 am

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RiotPunch wrote:DX mock has:

14. Killian Hayes
15. Cole Anthony
16. Tyrese Maxey

Just nuts to me that they could drop so far, but they must have some sort of league intel. Makes me more optimistic we might really get an opportunity to move up 8-10 spots to land a pretty special guard.


I hate to be the downer again but nothing I've seen out of any of them screams special. I'd be looking to trade any pick I got in the lotto. Hayes being ranked as high as he's been is absolutely baffling to me. Maybe it's totally because of the strength of the class that he's mocked high, but I'd be bummed as hell if this was my rare chance at the top of the lotto and this was the class I'm picking from.

How is Hayes being ranked high baffling? He has very legit off-dribble scoring ability, plus vision as a passer (esp out of PnR), suffocating POA defense, and has simply demonstrated insane growth to his game over the last 18 months. He still has no right hand, which hurts, but I've watched nearly every minute of him with Ulm, and I have him confidently at #3 on my personal board. There are no superstars in this class, so "pretty special" means solid starter to core player.

Maxey will stick because he is a 3-level scorer, strong finisher and a bulldog on D. Cole admittedly has real issues, but for us specifically, he could be really effective working off Giannis. Pre-college sample is big for me with both as neither had particularly ideal situations during their collegiate seasons.
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Post#1080 » by RiotPunch » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:09 am

I agree though, I would be bummed to be a team in need of star talent at the top of this draft.
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