ROUND 1 Game 4 - NOTE TIME: 12:30 PM PDT on ABC

[MartinToVaught]

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This tweet was practically made to be screenshotted and laughed at by the Internet forever after he finishes choking this series away.

[donemilio21]

Let's also acknowledge that Trezz is not only playing garbage at the moment, he deserve to receive multi-game punishment for what he said to Luka. Clippers as an organization should have suspended him, regardless of NBA taking action.
Apology is not enough. If it were, people would not have been losing jobs for using racist, sexist or homophobic slurs. Yes, "white boy" is a racist slur, because of how it is perceived.
This is something we forgot to discuss with the excitement of game 4 and playoffs. I think a 1-3 game suspension would have been appropriate.

[esqtvd]

Single game +/- is just telling us how the team did when the player was on, it doesn't mean the player was the reason they did as well as they did, we have to analyze to get an idea of how well they contributed to that. In a single game scenario, simply being on with the right lineup, or when a run is made can get you a nice +/-, so it's a noisy piece of data, not a 1 to 1 correlation to plus means you played well and minus means you played poorly. Sometimes I actually laud that basketball started adding +/- data to the boxscore because I think it causes people to make conclusions that aren't necessarily correct, but it is there now. The least we can say from it is that the lineups with Reggie on were not hampered by his presents to any degree where they were losing, and seeing that he made shots, we can suggest he contributed to their positive, even if his overall presence was neutral in the actual 5 man lineups. What it doesn't tell us of course is if those lineups could have done even better with someone else, multiple game +/- tends to give us more of an idea. So being fair, Reggie is -8, 0, +5, +16 over 5 games, the least we can say is that we are NOT losing because of the minutes Reggie is on the floor.

That said, I agree that similar to last game Reggie is low hanging fruit, Reggie did not put himself in the game or devise the defensive game plan which was supposedly not followed through. He didn't force shots, he was 4/7 3PT, the team did well when he was on the floor.

Well, now we're making progress, lol. Reggie's not the villain here nor was he in previous games. Plus/minus is a crude tool but it's what we have. It can be noisy but it also provides SOME numerical confirmation for "eye tests," which can be too subjective even for coaches, let alone amateur "experts" who have never played the game.

If a guy's a team-best plus-16 when half the rest of the squad is in the minus, he's probably not the problem. And you can deservedly d-bag Trezz all you want for his not-misleading minus-19 in 17 minutes but don't overlook Shamet's putrid minus-15 in 23--many of those minutes with the starters.

The Lou-Reggie tandem was around plus+15, yet the "eye test" narrative is that combination kills us. Well, not today. They kept us in this thing, but some people only see the bad and ignore the rest. Imagine how bad Kawhi's minus-13 would have been without the minutes he played with Lou-Reggie!

[esqtvd]

Man I'm also sick of us building and adding to the Luka hype. Yes he's a great player and has a bright future but man looks at the players we're throwing on him. He's in the paint literally all game long. The media sucks him off constantly 24/7 and now we just turned him into a cult figure. And really Luka can do his thing and get his points but why are we allowing Hardaway Jr, Curry, and Burks to looks like all stars?? I'm sick of this sh*t! Throw Coffey, Mann, or MaGruder in for a few minutes and see what they can give.

We had it pretty solved with Pat hounding him at the point of attack and Senior or PG or Kawhi alternating on picking him up after he got past Pat. 11 TOs in Game 1!

We just don't have another hound like Pat. And in that disastrous 3rd quarter when we were outscored by 16 points let's not forget we only scored 19! You're just not going to lock down Dallas's record-setting offense--you gotta make 'em pay at the other end. Sticking McGruder or one of the G-Leaguers out there was not an obvious solution.

[Quake Griffin]

Let's also acknowledge that Trezz is not only playing garbage at the moment, he deserve to receive multi-game punishment for what he said to Luka. Clippers as an organization should have suspended him, regardless of NBA taking action.
Apology is not enough. If it were, people would not have been losing jobs for using racist, sexist or homophobic slurs. Yes, "white boy" is a racist slur, because of how it is perceived.
This is something we forgot to discuss with the excitement of game 4 and playoffs. I think a 1-3 game suspension would have been appropriate.

I mentioned it at the last game thread.

He definitely deserves a suspension for this.
If Luka called him a BABB or even worse....dun dun dun....a BAN, Silver may have shutdown the entire bubble.

I find it absolutely comical (read: not comical at all) that the NBA is just pretending this didn't happen.

[TucsonClip]

If you are going to keep Reggie in for defense after that time out, and you know Luka is getting the ball, and you KNOW they are going to run him off a screen to get a touch, and you know you are switching all screens, then why in the hell dont you flip your matchups coming out of the timeout. Why do you have Kawhi on him to start, knowing you are PLANNING to switch him off against ANY screen? Its simple, you start Reggie on Luka and allow Kawhi, Morris, PG to defend the three most likely screeners, so when you do switch, you arent at a disadvantage.

[NickP]

Single game +/- is just telling us how the team did when the player was on, it doesn't mean the player was the reason they did as well as they did, we have to analyze to get an idea of how well they contributed to that. In a single game scenario, simply being on with the right lineup, or when a run is made can get you a nice +/-, so it's a noisy piece of data, not a 1 to 1 correlation to plus means you played well and minus means you played poorly. Sometimes I actually laud that basketball started adding +/- data to the boxscore because I think it causes people to make conclusions that aren't necessarily correct, but it is there now. The least we can say from it is that the lineups with Reggie on were not hampered by his presents to any degree where they were losing, and seeing that he made shots, we can suggest he contributed to their positive, even if his overall presence was neutral in the actual 5 man lineups. What it doesn't tell us of course is if those lineups could have done even better with someone else, multiple game +/- tends to give us more of an idea. So being fair, Reggie is -8, 0, +5, +16 over 5 games, the least we can say is that we are NOT losing because of the minutes Reggie is on the floor.

That said, I agree that similar to last game Reggie is low hanging fruit, Reggie did not put himself in the game or devise the defensive game plan which was supposedly not followed through. He didn't force shots, he was 4/7 3PT, the team did well when he was on the floor.

Well, now we're making progress, lol. Reggie's not the villain here nor was he in previous games. Plus/minus is a crude tool but it's what we have. It can be noisy but it also provides SOME numerical confirmation for "eye tests," which can be too subjective even for coaches, let alone amateur "experts" who have never played the game.

If a guy's a team-best plus-16 when half the rest of the squad is in the minus, he's probably not the problem. And you can deservedly d-bag Trezz all you want for his not-misleading minus-19 in 17 minutes but don't overlook Shamet's putrid minus-15 in 23--many of those minutes with the starters.

The Lou-Reggie tandem was around plus+15, yet the "eye test" narrative is that combination kills us. Well, not today. They kept us in this thing, but some people only see the bad and ignore the rest. Imagine how bad Kawhi's minus-13 would have been without the minutes he played with Lou-Reggie!

Lol. Seriously? The Lou Reggie tandem worked on offense but so what? That doesn't mean you go with that tandem on defense with 3.7 seconds to go when Luka had been raping Reggie again and again?

[esqtvd]

Let's also acknowledge that Trezz is not only playing garbage at the moment, he deserve to receive multi-game punishment for what he said to Luka. Clippers as an organization should have suspended him, regardless of NBA taking action.
Apology is not enough. If it were, people would not have been losing jobs for using racist, sexist or homophobic slurs. Yes, "white boy" is a racist slur, because of how it is perceived.
This is something we forgot to discuss with the excitement of game 4 and playoffs. I think a 1-3 game suspension would have been appropriate.

I mentioned it at the last game thread.

He definitely deserves a suspension for this.
If Luka called him a BABB or even worse....dun dun dun....a BAN, Silver may have shutdown the entire bubble.

I find it absolutely comical (read: not comical at all) that the NBA is just pretending this didn't happen.

I've had enough of the NBA's hypocrisy. Adam Silver is the bitchass white boy lol. Trezz apologized deeply and in public on the court before the game. He was just talking smack. And Luka got the last laugh.

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[playaloc916]

PG is I believe 10/47 in his last three games, a very solid 21.3% FG. Playoff Jamal Crawford could give you better offense like that. This is his performance against a below average defense, it has to change, he should be putting up an efficient 50 next game to make up for this.

At this point, anytime he gets the ball, I'm hoping he doesn't shoot, wide open or not... That is not a good thing when he's supposed to be the second best player on the team...

I was curious how Gallinari is doing; he's averaging 22 ppg on 44%, and 37% from 3... this makes me sad.

[MartinToVaught]

PG is I believe 10/47 in his last three games, a very solid 21.3% FG. Playoff Jamal Crawford could give you better offense like that. This is his performance against a below average defense, it has to change, he should be putting up an efficient 50 next game to make up for this.

At this point, anytime he gets the ball, I'm hoping he doesn't shoot, wide open or not... That is not a good thing when he's supposed to be the second best player on the team...

I was curious how Gallinari is doing; he's averaging 22 ppg on 44%, and 37% from 3... this makes me sad.

I'm just hoping West can find a way to trade PG in the offseason. I can't watch another season of him, knowing he's going to disappear and quit in the playoffs.

[TucsonClip]

Imagine if PG converted that layup late in the game? Doncic is hitting that three to send it to a second OT. SMH

[esqtvd]

Single game +/- is just telling us how the team did when the player was on, it doesn't mean the player was the reason they did as well as they did, we have to analyze to get an idea of how well they contributed to that. In a single game scenario, simply being on with the right lineup, or when a run is made can get you a nice +/-, so it's a noisy piece of data, not a 1 to 1 correlation to plus means you played well and minus means you played poorly. Sometimes I actually laud that basketball started adding +/- data to the boxscore because I think it causes people to make conclusions that aren't necessarily correct, but it is there now. The least we can say from it is that the lineups with Reggie on were not hampered by his presents to any degree where they were losing, and seeing that he made shots, we can suggest he contributed to their positive, even if his overall presence was neutral in the actual 5 man lineups. What it doesn't tell us of course is if those lineups could have done even better with someone else, multiple game +/- tends to give us more of an idea. So being fair, Reggie is -8, 0, +5, +16 over 5 games, the least we can say is that we are NOT losing because of the minutes Reggie is on the floor.

That said, I agree that similar to last game Reggie is low hanging fruit, Reggie did not put himself in the game or devise the defensive game plan which was supposedly not followed through. He didn't force shots, he was 4/7 3PT, the team did well when he was on the floor.

Well, now we're making progress, lol. Reggie's not the villain here nor was he in previous games. Plus/minus is a crude tool but it's what we have. It can be noisy but it also provides SOME numerical confirmation for "eye tests," which can be too subjective even for coaches, let alone amateur "experts" who have never played the game.

If a guy's a team-best plus-16 when half the rest of the squad is in the minus, he's probably not the problem. And you can deservedly d-bag Trezz all you want for his not-misleading minus-19 in 17 minutes but don't overlook Shamet's putrid minus-15 in 23--many of those minutes with the starters.

The Lou-Reggie tandem was around plus+15, yet the "eye test" narrative is that combination kills us. Well, not today. They kept us in this thing, but some people only see the bad and ignore the rest. Imagine how bad Kawhi's minus-13 would have been without the minutes he played with Lou-Reggie!

Lol. Seriously? The Lou Reggie tandem worked on offense but so what? That doesn't mean you go with that tandem on defense with 3.7 seconds to go when Luka had been raping Reggie again and again?

Plus/minus includes points given up, not just scored. And Lou was not on the floor. Can you and your pals please get out of my face unless you bring the facts?

9.0 Landry Shamet enters the game for Lou Williams 133 - 132
3.7 Reggie Jackson personal take foul 133 - 132
3.7 Mavericks Full timeout 133 - 132
0.0 Luka Doncic makes 27-foot step back jumpshot 133 - 135
0.0 End of the 1st Overtime 133 - 135
0.0 End of Game 133 - 135

[Max Headrom]

White boy isn't and will never be a racial slur. Players have been caught on camera mouthing bitch ass n***a and not a peep so this argument is hella weak...

[esqtvd]

I was curious how Gallinari is doing; he's averaging 22 ppg on 44%, and 37% from 3... this makes me sad.

And PG3 finally has the temperament a captain should have. Strong and quiet and calm. And I'd much rather go into battle with Gallo and Shai than Blake and DJ. Enjoying these OKC Clippers.

[Max Headrom]

Imagine if PG converted that layup late in the game? Doncic is hitting that three to send it to a second OT. SMH

Can't believe he blew that... That was inexcusable. And with all the talk about what the team, coach is or isn't doing, he shows up this series is a sweep.

Think about the fact that the team put up 133 with him having 9 POINTS in 45 minutes or his game 2 stinker. This falls on PG more than anyone because he's being paid to deliver along WITH Kawhi

[esqtvd]

White boy isn't and will never be a racial slur. Players have been caught on camera mouthing bitch ass n***a and not a peep so this argument is hella weak...

What this country really needs is something more offensive than "white boy" or"cracker" so we can start evening things up.

[playaloc916]

Imagine if PG converted that layup late in the game? Doncic is hitting that three to send it to a second OT. SMH

Can't believe he blew that... That was inexcusable. And with all the talk about what the team, coach is or isn't doing, he shows up this series is a sweep.

Think about the fact that the team put up 133 with him having 9 POINTS in 45 minutes or his game 2 stinker. This falls on PG more than anyone because he's being paid to deliver along WITH Kawhi

That is actually mind blowing... That is like Ryan Gomes/Wesley Johnson territory...

[Quake Griffin]

He couldn't turn the corner on Luka.
He got his pocket picked by Luka.

He finally gets to the rim on Luka....wide open...Clippers up 2 at the time and smokes the layup.
Woulda put us up 4.

I believe they hit a 3 and went up 1 after his missed lay up.


Guy probably has some mild form of the yips.

Then he hoists up some contested 3 pointer in the 4th after going however long without shooting because....he has his pride...and he wants to show he did something....he wants to show he will shoot it.
Just lol.

That guy is completely in his own head and has mind **** himself.

[og15]

He couldn't turn the corner on Luka.
He got his pocket picked by Luka.

He finally gets to the rim on Luka....wide open...Clippers up 2 at the time and smokes the layup.
Woulda put us up 4.

I believe they hit a 3 and went up 1 after his missed lay up.


Guy probably has some mild form of the yips.

Then he hoists up some contested 3 pointer in the 4th after going however long without shooting because....he has his pride...and he wants to show he did something....he wants to show he will shoot it.
Just lol.

That guy is completely in his own head and has mind **** himself.

Yea, PG is definitely the biggest problem. There's playing well and losing, then there's just playing poorly and losing. For example, no one should be criticizing Luka or Kristaps for their performances if the Mavericks lose. You can play well and still lose if the opposing team is still better. If the Clippers were to somehow lose, it is primarily on George

[esqtvd]

He couldn't turn the corner on Luka.
He got his pocket picked by Luka.

He finally gets to the rim on Luka....wide open...Clippers up 2 at the time and smokes the layup.
Woulda put us up 4.

I believe they hit a 3 and went up 1 after his missed lay up.


Guy probably has some mild form of the yips.

Then he hoists up some contested 3 pointer in the 4th after going however long without shooting because....he has his pride...and he wants to show he did something....he wants to show he will shoot it.
Just lol.

That guy is completely in his own head and has mind **** himself.

Dunno if you saw my previous post but Al McGuire said you can be too intelligent. You think about what can go wrong. I know it's true of musicians. The most brilliant musical minds I know are not the best players. They get in their own way.