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2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Who are you voting for?

Donald Trump
29
28%
Joe Biden
63
60%
Howie Hawkins
4
4%
Jo Jorgensen
3
3%
Kanye West
6
6%
 
Total votes: 105

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Post#21 » by Knick4Real » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:03 am

br7knicks wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Jared Kushner has spent everyday on the phone with Kanye.

Kanye is the Trump campaigns attempt to get you to not vote for Biden.

If you really voted for Kanye, not only did you just vote for Trump, you also disrespected the value of your vote.


EXACTLY CORRECT!!

Anybody who is so affected that the'd vote for Kanye might as well stay home and avoid the crowds.


:banghead: :lol:

Lol neither of you could tell the obvious sarcasm.

Resorting to insults is nice, though, you two

So much for POVs welcome :D


Not sure why you thought I insulted you.

My post said "ANYBODY who would vote for Kanye..." and never mentioned you personally. Since there are 2 votes in the above poll for Kanye, my post was directed at those who would waste their vote on him. At no point did I ever mention or attempt to insult you.
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Post#22 » by br7knicks » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:35 am

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Gravy wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
To completely keep her out and away from the party should be embarrassing for them. She's reasonable and smart enough, for people like me, to have swung people that hate Trump, but don't like biden, to some good change that we need.

I dont follow politics hardcore so I'm out of the loop. Why does the DNC not like Tulsi?


On January 22, 2013, Gabbard was unanimously elected to a four-year term as vice chair of the Democratic National Committee.[139] In September 2015 she criticized chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz's decision to hold only six debates during the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries, compared with 26 in 2008 and 15 in 2004,[140][141] and to exclude from all future DNC-sanctioned debates any candidate who participated in a non-DNC sanctioned debate. Gabbard released a statement about the debate controversy in a Facebook post in 2015:[142][143]
Following her public criticisms of the debate process, Gabbard was reported to have been either "disinvited" or asked to "consider not coming" to the October 13, 2015 Democratic debate in Las Vegas.[144][better source needed] In an interview with The New York Times, she spoke of an unhealthy atmosphere, saying, "no one told me I would be relinquishing my freedom of speech and checking it at the door" in taking the job.[145] Gabbard privately wrote to Wasserman Schultz, accusing her of violating the DNC's duty of neutrality by favoring Hillary Clinton. This letter later became public in leaked emails published by WikiLeaks.[146][147]
Gabbard resigned as DNC vice chair on February 28, 2016, in order to endorse Senator Bernie Sanders for the nomination for President of the United States.[148][149] She was the first congresswoman to endorse Sanders[149] and later gave the nominating speech putting his name forward at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[150]
In July 2016, Gabbard launched a petition to end the Democratic Party's process of appointing superdelegates in the nomination process.[151] She endorsed Keith Ellison for DNC chair in the 2017 chairmanship elections.[152]
Gabbard was assigned as Bernie Sanders's running mate in California for any write-in votes for Sanders.[153] Shortly after the election, she was mentioned as a possible presidential candidate for 2020.[


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard


Pretty much this. And this is why I like her. She doesn't bend to the will of her party. She'll call out bull **** when it's needed.

Whether I agree with her policies or not, I'm a fan of someone who's honest and doesn't follow their party just because it's what she's supposed to do.

Would've voted for her if she went independent too
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Post#23 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:46 pm

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br7knicks wrote:
I wanted Tulsi. If Biden had picked her as VP I would jump on board with him. Chances are Biden is going to be mentally incapacitated soon, so Tulsi would've taken over.


I love her in more ways than 1. The DNC is already trying to blacklist her. To not have her speak at the convention is a travesty. I'll never support either party.. eff that.


To completely keep her out and away from the party should be embarrassing for them. She's reasonable and smart enough, for people like me, to have swung people that hate Trump, but don't like biden, to some good change that we need.

I initially wanted Andrew Yang. The masses and media were against him for some reason. Like, they tried to say he was appealing to White supremacist lol. And lot of outlets like Vice kept questioning him on that... like seriously, an Asian guy gonna be the man for White supremacist?

But he fell off on his own and he no realistic shot. Not sure how dedicated he was to the progressive cause as he didn't endorse Sanders or Warren after he dropped out. He waited till the primary was decided to endorse Biden, which I thought was a little weak for a progressive.

Then it was Bernie Sanders. I was really upset that he didn't work with Tulsi, and apparently wouldn't accept her endorsement. She was my third choice.

They probably don't like her now because she absolutely torched Harris
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Post#24 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:09 pm

DOW about to erase its losses.

SP500 and the NASDAQ getting new all time highs

Obviously, these are wins for Trump
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Post#25 » by br7knicks » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:29 pm

Stannis wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
I love her in more ways than 1. The DNC is already trying to blacklist her. To not have her speak at the convention is a travesty. I'll never support either party.. eff that.


To completely keep her out and away from the party should be embarrassing for them. She's reasonable and smart enough, for people like me, to have swung people that hate Trump, but don't like biden, to some good change that we need.

I initially wanted Andrew Yang. The masses and media were against him for some reason. Like, they tried to say he was appealing to White supremacist lol. And lot of outlets like Vice kept questioning him on that... like seriously, an Asian guy gonna be the man for White supremacist?

But he fell off on his own and he no realistic shot. Not sure how dedicated he was to the progressive cause as he didn't endorse Sanders or Warren after he dropped out. He waited till the primary was decided to endorse Biden, which I thought was a little weak for a progressive.

Then it was Bernie Sanders. I was really upset that he didn't work with Tulsi, and apparently wouldn't accept her endorsement. She was my third choice.

They probably don't like her now because she absolutely torched Harris


Well, unfortunately it comes to the media and who they want to push. Them and millennials are the problems (I am one). If someone says something they disagree with, they're labeled a Nazi, xenophobe, bigot, etc (I forget the whole list). It's sad because, not only is it not true, but it dilutes the meaning of those words. Andrew Yang and members of the KKK should not be roped into the same group. The problem is, because of media agendas, they push a narrative, and once someone is given one of those horrible, but now meaningless (because of how frequently they're thrown around), terms, people like Yang don't stand a chance.

See, I was the opposite. I initially didn't like Yang. But when I listened to him compared to other candidates besides Tulsi, I liked him a lot more. Like his big push was UBI, which I am very much against. I have heard people trying to argue it. The only good case I've heard, and it was by a Canadian named Jordan Peterson, is that it would allow people to pursue entrepreneurial ideas that can help push good ideas and inventions. The problem. With that, I see, is that those people are not as prevalent compared to people who would just see it as free money, so they can work less. I wish I was wrong, but most Americans (not all) are inherently lazy and greedy.

But the more I listened to him, I'd like his business-like approach to fixing this country. That's why I'd vote for mark Cuban if he decided to run.

He was a great listen on rogan's podcast. If things started over, I feel like I'd vote for Yang. Like Tulsi, I feel he's not extreme enough, and would gain a lot of votes from people like me who hate Trump, but wouldn't like a Bernie or Biden presidency.

Again, if Biden had signed up Tulsi, or Yang, for his VP, I'd definitely consider voting for him
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Post#26 » by rammagen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:47 pm

br7knicks wrote:Can we skip this election? Like, just go the next four years without one, and let's see what happens. If things get worse, we'll try the president thing again. If lives generally get better, let's remove the position.

That being said, voted for Kanye. Honestly can't be much worse than what's currently available or already in place.


IMHO that is a waste of a vote. Kayne is to blind to see he is being used to swing younger minorities awy from Biden or another viable alternative..
I dont think we as a nation can continue to function internally and externally with Trump. This election is not right versus left or even right versus wrong it is about morals and truth if you want to live with 4 more yrs of lies and hate and people getting killed abuse of government power so the upper .1% flourish while the middle class has stagnated since 2017 and the lower class suffers then vote for the incumbent.

If you want slow but study reform like better housing, lower medicinal costs and education a lower national debt a person that both parties respect and agree on (the far left thinks Biden is not left enough, the moderate right is thinks he is just right enough) Then you should vote Biden. He is the compromise that starts to unify rather then divide .

By voting for KW you basically played into trumps play card. Why do you think KW got onto the ballots
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-with-ties-to-trump-are-helping-kanye-west-get-on-general-election-ballots/ar-BB17BGzw

So if you were anti trump you did exactly what trump wanted. Hey at least you voted and that is a start but before voting educate yourself on all the people running their stances and see if they align with yours and back the person you want but also back the person that you want that is closest to your desires that has a chance to win.
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Post#27 » by br7knicks » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:56 pm

rammagen wrote:
br7knicks wrote:Can we skip this election? Like, just go the next four years without one, and let's see what happens. If things get worse, we'll try the president thing again. If lives generally get better, let's remove the position.

That being said, voted for Kanye. Honestly can't be much worse than what's currently available or already in place.


IMHO that is a waste of a vote. Kayne is to blind to see he is being used to swing younger minorities awy from Biden or another viable alternative..
I dont think we as a nation can continue to function internally and externally with Trump. This election is not right versus left or even right versus wrong it is about morals and truth if you want to live with 4 more yrs of lies and hate and people getting killed abuse of government power so the upper .1% flourish while the middle class has stagnated since 2017 and the lower class suffers then vote for the incumbent.

If you want slow but study reform like better housing, lower medicinal costs and education a lower national debt a person that both parties respect and agree on (the far left thinks Biden is not left enough, the moderate right is thinks he is just right enough) Then you should vote Biden. He is the compromise that starts to unify rather then divide .

By voting for KW you basically played into trumps play card. Why do you think KW got onto the ballots
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-with-ties-to-trump-are-helping-kanye-west-get-on-general-election-ballots/ar-BB17BGzw

So if you were anti trump you did exactly what trump wanted. Hey at least you voted and that is a start but before voting educate yourself on all the people running their stances and see if they align with yours and back the person you want but also back the person that you want that is closest to your desires that has a chance to win.


I fully understand the Kanye situation.

Again, as stated, it was just a joke. I don't consider him a serious candidate.
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Post#28 » by rammagen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:57 pm

Stannis wrote:DOW about to erase its losses.

SP500 and the NASDAQ getting new all time highs

Obviously, these are wins for Trump

I am curious the sp and dow how did they do under the previous administration? and who is actually making the most off the market.
So I looked it up it is pretty close. The trend upward started with Obama and just continued
https://fortune.com/2019/06/03/stock-market-trump-obama-sp-500/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/01/14/obama-had-more-stock-market-records-than-trump/#1a85fe676684
That is something I think the dems should play on. they took over after the great recession and started the growth curve. So what is harder continuing a trend or reversing and fixing it? If donnie was so good our deficit should not be where it is with the growth we have
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Post#29 » by rammagen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:57 pm

br7knicks wrote:
rammagen wrote:
br7knicks wrote:Can we skip this election? Like, just go the next four years without one, and let's see what happens. If things get worse, we'll try the president thing again. If lives generally get better, let's remove the position.

That being said, voted for Kanye. Honestly can't be much worse than what's currently available or already in place.


IMHO that is a waste of a vote. Kayne is to blind to see he is being used to swing younger minorities awy from Biden or another viable alternative..
I dont think we as a nation can continue to function internally and externally with Trump. This election is not right versus left or even right versus wrong it is about morals and truth if you want to live with 4 more yrs of lies and hate and people getting killed abuse of government power so the upper .1% flourish while the middle class has stagnated since 2017 and the lower class suffers then vote for the incumbent.

If you want slow but study reform like better housing, lower medicinal costs and education a lower national debt a person that both parties respect and agree on (the far left thinks Biden is not left enough, the moderate right is thinks he is just right enough) Then you should vote Biden. He is the compromise that starts to unify rather then divide .

By voting for KW you basically played into trumps play card. Why do you think KW got onto the ballots
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-with-ties-to-trump-are-helping-kanye-west-get-on-general-election-ballots/ar-BB17BGzw

So if you were anti trump you did exactly what trump wanted. Hey at least you voted and that is a start but before voting educate yourself on all the people running their stances and see if they align with yours and back the person you want but also back the person that you want that is closest to your desires that has a chance to win.


I fully understand the Kanye situation.

Again, as stated, it was just a joke. I don't consider him a serious candidate.


My bad then :)
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Post#30 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:19 pm

rammagen wrote:
Stannis wrote:DOW about to erase its losses.

SP500 and the NASDAQ getting new all time highs

Obviously, these are wins for Trump

I am curious the sp and dow how did they do under the previous administration? and who is actually making the most off the market.
So I looked it up it is pretty close. The trend upward started with Obama and just continued
https://fortune.com/2019/06/03/stock-market-trump-obama-sp-500/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/01/14/obama-had-more-stock-market-records-than-trump/#1a85fe676684
That is something I think the dems should play on. they took over after the great recession and started the growth curve. So what is harder continuing a trend or reversing and fixing it? If donnie was so good our deficit should not be where it is with the growth we have
For sure.

Trump made the market priority after the virus and got the fed to print more money. I think dems should run on that. Market recessions are completely natural. But pumping all your resources into it and not the people during a pandemic is not. I think Obama/Biden would have let the market fall and focused on the lower/middle class; while Trump is looking after the middle/upper class and their 401ks and maintaining their wealth.

That being said, people are sheep. They see a good market, they attach it to the president and think he's doing well. Especially after the drops we saw.

And I personally know people who are still voting for Trump even though they hate him and think he's racist because they are killing it in the market. So that worries me.

Hopefully they bring up the deficit a lot as well. I believe Trump is outspending Obama's years IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post#31 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:52 pm

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Post#32 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:02 pm

Will this election be decided by College Football? I think that is a possibility:

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Post#33 » by br7knicks » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:05 pm

Stannis wrote:
rammagen wrote:
Stannis wrote:DOW about to erase its losses.

SP500 and the NASDAQ getting new all time highs

Obviously, these are wins for Trump

I am curious the sp and dow how did they do under the previous administration? and who is actually making the most off the market.
So I looked it up it is pretty close. The trend upward started with Obama and just continued
https://fortune.com/2019/06/03/stock-market-trump-obama-sp-500/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/01/14/obama-had-more-stock-market-records-than-trump/#1a85fe676684
That is something I think the dems should play on. they took over after the great recession and started the growth curve. So what is harder continuing a trend or reversing and fixing it? If donnie was so good our deficit should not be where it is with the growth we have
For sure.

Trump made the market priority after the virus and got the fed to print more money. I think dems should run on that. Market recessions are completely natural. But pumping all your resources into it and not the people during a pandemic is not. I think Obama/Biden would have let the market fall and focused on the lower/middle class; while Trump is looking after the middle/upper class and their 401ks and maintaining their wealth.

That being said, people are sheep. They see a good market, they attach it to the president and think he's doing well. Especially after the drops we saw.

And I personally know people who are still voting for Trump even though they hate him and think he's racist because they are killing it in the market. So that worries me.

Hopefully they bring up the deficit a lot as well. I believe Trump is outspending Obama's years IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.



A lot of your paragraphs are concerning - not you, but people you know who are voting Trump because of their money.

His first few years, I didn't mind his economic policies. But after listening to economic expert, Peter Schiff, on Rogan, he brought up how Trump is doing nothing but continuing a lot of Obama's increase of the bubble that's going to pop eventually.

Which sucks because the economy was looking good under trump, and people will associate that to him. But according to a lot of economic experts (beyond just Schiff), trump isn't helping a lot of the horrible economy that Obama created, he's merely prolonging the bubble bursting - but he will go down, unfortunately in the history books, as a savior of the economy.


Prior to the virus outbreak, I don't think his spending and destroying of the economy was as bad as Obama, but it's absolutely plausible, now, that he's overspending the previous administration.

I agree that the politicians should've looked more into pumping money into the people, and not the upper class and resources was a huge mistake. We still haven't gotten closer to the second stimulus, but that's not surprising.
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Post#34 » by rammagen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:07 pm

Stannis wrote:
rammagen wrote:
Stannis wrote:DOW about to erase its losses.

SP500 and the NASDAQ getting new all time highs

Obviously, these are wins for Trump

I am curious the sp and dow how did they do under the previous administration? and who is actually making the most off the market.
So I looked it up it is pretty close. The trend upward started with Obama and just continued
https://fortune.com/2019/06/03/stock-market-trump-obama-sp-500/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/01/14/obama-had-more-stock-market-records-than-trump/#1a85fe676684
That is something I think the dems should play on. they took over after the great recession and started the growth curve. So what is harder continuing a trend or reversing and fixing it? If donnie was so good our deficit should not be where it is with the growth we have
For sure.

Trump made the market priority after the virus and got the fed to print more money. I think dems should run on that. Market recessions are completely natural. But pumping all your resources into it and not the people during a pandemic is not. I think Obama/Biden would have let the market fall and focused on the lower/middle class; while Trump is looking after the middle/upper class and their 401ks and maintaining their wealth.

That being said, people are sheep. They see a good market, they attach it to the president and think he's doing well. Especially after the drops we saw.

And I personally know people who are still voting for Trump even though they hate him and think he's racist because they are killing it in the market. So that worries me.

Hopefully they bring up the deficit a lot as well. I believe Trump is outspending Obama's years IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I dont think the spending comparison is too valid as Obama spent early and heavy on getting out of the recession while trump spent on the trade wars, and tax breaks.
Interesting article....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/#76b71d5a4819
If I was the dems I would be playing that up. Most people don't realize there is more then just the market as an indicator of how healthy a nations economy is
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Post#35 » by GONYK » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:11 pm

Stannis wrote:These are the guys who got Michigan right in 2016:

Read on Twitter
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Read on Twitter
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Wisconsin:
Read on Twitter
?s=20

Minnesota:
Read on Twitter
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Arizona:
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Texas:
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Post#36 » by rammagen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:13 pm

br7knicks wrote:
Stannis wrote:
rammagen wrote:I am curious the sp and dow how did they do under the previous administration? and who is actually making the most off the market.
So I looked it up it is pretty close. The trend upward started with Obama and just continued
https://fortune.com/2019/06/03/stock-market-trump-obama-sp-500/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/01/14/obama-had-more-stock-market-records-than-trump/#1a85fe676684
That is something I think the dems should play on. they took over after the great recession and started the growth curve. So what is harder continuing a trend or reversing and fixing it? If donnie was so good our deficit should not be where it is with the growth we have
For sure.

Trump made the market priority after the virus and got the fed to print more money. I think dems should run on that. Market recessions are completely natural. But pumping all your resources into it and not the people during a pandemic is not. I think Obama/Biden would have let the market fall and focused on the lower/middle class; while Trump is looking after the middle/upper class and their 401ks and maintaining their wealth.

That being said, people are sheep. They see a good market, they attach it to the president and think he's doing well. Especially after the drops we saw.

And I personally know people who are still voting for Trump even though they hate him and think he's racist because they are killing it in the market. So that worries me.

Hopefully they bring up the deficit a lot as well. I believe Trump is outspending Obama's years IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.



A lot of your paragraphs are concerning - not you, but people you know who are voting Trump because of their money.

His first few years, I didn't mind his economic policies. But after listening to economic expert, Peter Schiff, on Rogan, he brought up how Trump is doing nothing but continuing a lot of Obama's increase of the bubble that's going to pop eventually.

Which sucks because the economy was looking good under trump, and people will associate that to him. But according to a lot of economic experts (beyond just Schiff), trump isn't helping a lot of the horrible economy that Obama created, he's merely prolonging the bubble bursting - but he will go down, unfortunately in the history books, as a savior of the economy.


Prior to the virus outbreak, I don't think his spending and destroying of the economy was as bad as Obama, but it's absolutely plausible, now, that he's overspending the previous administration.

I agree that the politicians should've looked more into pumping money into the people, and not the upper class and resources was a huge mistake. We still haven't gotten closer to the second stimulus, but that's not surprising.


Here is the thing people forget a large part of Obama's spending was on getting out of the recession, while a good portion of his spending was on unneeded trade wars. I say unneeded because in the end he basically got the same deal as was offered in the beginning costing farmers money and the nation billions in bail outs to them.
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Post#37 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:17 pm

br7knicks wrote:A lot of your paragraphs are concerning - not you, but people you know who are voting Trump because of their money.

His first few years, I didn't mind his economic policies. But after listening to economic expert, Peter Schiff, on Rogan, he brought up how Trump is doing nothing but continuing a lot of Obama's increase of the bubble that's going to pop eventually.

Which sucks because the economy was looking good under trump, and people will associate that to him. But according to a lot of economic experts (beyond just Schiff), trump isn't helping a lot of the horrible economy that Obama created, he's merely prolonging the bubble bursting - but he will go down, unfortunately in the history books, as a savior of the economy.


Prior to the virus outbreak, I don't think his spending and destroying of the economy was as bad as Obama, but it's absolutely plausible, now, that he's overspending the previous administration.

I agree that the politicians should've looked more into pumping money into the people, and not the upper class and resources was a huge mistake. We still haven't gotten closer to the second stimulus, but that's not surprising.


You think Peter Sciff is legit? I've tried to listen to him, but he's been predicting a market crash since like 2011. I know a predicted the housing crisis, but a broken clock is right twice a day.

And I can't get past that he keeps pushing gold, but sells gold for a living. No biased there...

Theoretically, the market is always a "bubble" in a bull run.
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Post#38 » by br7knicks » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:18 pm

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IMHO that is a waste of a vote. Kayne is to blind to see he is being used to swing younger minorities awy from Biden or another viable alternative..
I dont think we as a nation can continue to function internally and externally with Trump. This election is not right versus left or even right versus wrong it is about morals and truth if you want to live with 4 more yrs of lies and hate and people getting killed abuse of government power so the upper .1% flourish while the middle class has stagnated since 2017 and the lower class suffers then vote for the incumbent.

If you want slow but study reform like better housing, lower medicinal costs and education a lower national debt a person that both parties respect and agree on (the far left thinks Biden is not left enough, the moderate right is thinks he is just right enough) Then you should vote Biden. He is the compromise that starts to unify rather then divide .

By voting for KW you basically played into trumps play card. Why do you think KW got onto the ballots
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-with-ties-to-trump-are-helping-kanye-west-get-on-general-election-ballots/ar-BB17BGzw

So if you were anti trump you did exactly what trump wanted. Hey at least you voted and that is a start but before voting educate yourself on all the people running their stances and see if they align with yours and back the person you want but also back the person that you want that is closest to your desires that has a chance to win.


I fully understand the Kanye situation.

Again, as stated, it was just a joke. I don't consider him a serious candidate.


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Post#39 » by Strick » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:18 pm

Biden is certainly not the most exciting or best option IMO but with that being said I cannot and will not vote to Trump. Politics aside I can’t respect him as a human being. That and I don’t agree with a lot of the viewpoints and stances he takes politically.

Second election in a row where it seems people are voting against a candidate rather than voting for a candidate... which says a lot about our selection process. The fact this is the “best” we can find in our country is certainly alarming
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Post#40 » by rammagen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:18 pm

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538 and other polls has it as inverse Biden leading most of the states and tied in NC and one other
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