2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[Ugly Duckling]

It depends on how the top 3 shake out. Arturas said he's taking the best player available, who none of these three would be at 4

...in your opinion. We all have have our own opinions, but let's not act like we know how AK feels about these guys.

Haha how did I imply that? I'm saying none of these 3 would be the BPA at 4

[Red8911]

I would LOVE to trade down and try to nab him plus another decent potential guy instead of drafting a guy like Wiseman.

That's my preference as well. Also like Kira Lewis Jr. Would prefer to go the route of getting a couple prospects in the 1st Round versus going all in on Deni at #4. That's just my preference and maybe in the minority on this.

James Wiseman isn't very high on here so nothing to worry about. Most here seem to want to address our PG issue or add a versatile player.

Speaking of Pokusevski, here is this years prospect that could shoot up in the lottery or become available in the early 2nd Round. Some impressive predraft workouts will quickly change his draft position.

Watch on YouTube

I think he’s going to go later in the 1st round due to a lack of work outs and the normal draft process. A lot of trans are likely to play it as safe as possible due to teams losing money.

Agreed. I would say his range is #13-#40.

Mentioned this guy earlier in the thread, he plays for Olympiacos a team that AK once played for. I’m sure AK knows a lot about him.

[Grodoboldo]

I would LOVE to trade down and try to nab him plus another decent potential guy instead of drafting a guy like Wiseman.

That's my preference as well. Also like Kira Lewis Jr. Would prefer to go the route of getting a couple prospects in the 1st Round versus going all in on Deni at #4. That's just my preference and maybe in the minority on this.

James Wiseman isn't very high on here so nothing to worry about. Most here seem to want to address our PG issue or add a versatile player.

I think he’s going to go later in the 1st round due to a lack of work outs and the normal draft process. A lot of trans are likely to play it as safe as possible due to teams losing money.

Agreed. I would say his range is #13-#40.

Mentioned this guy earlier in the thread, he plays for Olympiacos a team that AK once played for. I’m sure AK knows a lot about him.

I'm pretty sure that if we know, he knows. As do the scouting and analytics teams

[drosereturn]

If I was the Bulls and Ball was still available at 4, I would call up the Knicks. They are desperate for him. Trade him for their 8th pick and pick swap next year and whatever else.

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.

#8
#27
#38
2021 and 2023 Mavs 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2021 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2022 1st Rd Pick

If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

#8 + Knicks 2021 first (lightly protected) is a trade I’d love to make.

Thats asking too much I dont think they will budge. I wouldnt mind 2022 top 5 protected or both Mav picks or 27/38/DSJ

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Somebody in this thread was responding to my Toppin posts with some encouragement to take a look at Okongwu. Can't remember who, and can't find the notification, but whoever it was thanks. Okongwu would be a great add for the Bulls. He'll be a solid 2-way player in the league for years.

[PlayerUp]

Thats asking too much I dont think they will budge. I wouldnt mind 2022 top 5 protected or both Mav picks or 27/38/DSJ

I laid out all the assets the Knicks have. Obviously they would not give all of those to us. Point is Knicks have plenty of assets on the table to move up to #2 or #4 if they desire.

[PlayerUp]

Somebody in this thread was responding to my Toppin posts with some encouragement to take a look at Okongwu. Can't remember who, and can't find the notification, but whoever it was thanks. Okongwu would be a great add for the Bulls. He'll be a solid 2-way player in the league for years.

Only issue with Okongwu is we just drafted Wendell who can also develop a 2 way game and we still have Lauri. Are we officially giving up on them? Can they not be fixed and put in the right direction? Wendell has only played 2 seasons, has been hurt a good % of the time and he really hasn't been put in a system to make him grow under poor coaching. If we add a Okongwu or Wiseman, we're only hurting their ability to play and make progress. It's not like Okongwu stands out either above all these other prospects to the point we have to take him.

That's why I think most are more in favor of taking a point guard as we have been searching for one for over a half decade since losing Derrick Rose and the 2021 draft lacks point guards. If we're going to add a point guard, now is the time to do it and we have plenty of options such as LeMelo dropping, or picking Hayes/Haliburton or acquiring Kira Lewis Jr later in the draft.

We should be drafting BPA but the problem is it's really unclear on who the BPA available is outside of LaMelo/Edwards. Why we may need to draft on positional need if nobody stands out leading up to the draft. Going after say Hayes or Deni who are guaranteed to get plenty of playing time and attention.

[Dresden]

Somebody in this thread was responding to my Toppin posts with some encouragement to take a look at Okongwu. Can't remember who, and can't find the notification, but whoever it was thanks. Okongwu would be a great add for the Bulls. He'll be a solid 2-way player in the league for years.

Maybe, but I don't think he'd help the team nearly as much as adding a playmaking guard or wing would.

[PaKii94]

Somebody in this thread was responding to my Toppin posts with some encouragement to take a look at Okongwu. Can't remember who, and can't find the notification, but whoever it was thanks. Okongwu would be a great add for the Bulls. He'll be a solid 2-way player in the league for years.

Only issue with Okongwu is we just drafted Wendell who can also develop a 2 way game and we still have Lauri. Are we officially giving up on them? Can they not be fixed and put in the right direction? Wendell has only played 2 seasons, has been hurt a good % of the time and he really hasn't been put in a system to make him grow under poor coaching. If we add a Okongwu or Wiseman, we're only hurting their ability to play and make progress. It's not like Okongwu stands out either above all these other prospects to the point we have to take him.

That's why I think most are more in favor of taking a point guard as we have been searching for one for over a half decade since losing Derrick Rose and the 2021 draft lacks point guards. If we're going to add a point guard, now is the time to do it and we have plenty of options such as LeMelo dropping, or picking Hayes/Haliburton or acquiring Kira Lewis Jr later in the draft.

We should be drafting BPA but the problem is it's really unclear on who the BPA available is outside of LaMelo/Edwards. Why we may need to draft on positional need if nobody stands out leading up to the draft. Going after say Hayes or Deni who are guaranteed to get plenty of playing time and attention.

We could use a third big. I know people are high on gafford but there is a reason he fell into the second round. He can play his role well but I don't see massive improvements in his overall game

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Somebody in this thread was responding to my Toppin posts with some encouragement to take a look at Okongwu. Can't remember who, and can't find the notification, but whoever it was thanks. Okongwu would be a great add for the Bulls. He'll be a solid 2-way player in the league for years.

Only issue with Okongwu is we just drafted Wendell who can also develop a 2 way game and we still have Lauri. Are we officially giving up on them? Can they not be fixed and put in the right direction? Wendell has only played 2 seasons, has been hurt a good % of the time and he really hasn't been put in a system to make him grow under poor coaching. If we add a Okongwu or Wiseman, we're only hurting their ability to play and make progress. It's not like Okongwu stands out either above all these other prospects to the point we have to take him.

That's why I think most are more in favor of taking a point guard as we have been searching for one for over a half decade since losing Derrick Rose and the 2021 draft lacks point guards. If we're going to add a point guard, now is the time to do it and we have plenty of options such as LeMelo dropping, or picking Hayes/Haliburton or acquiring Kira Lewis Jr later in the draft.

We should be drafting BPA but the problem is it's really unclear on who the BPA available is outside of LaMelo/Edwards. Why we may need to draft on positional need if nobody stands out leading up to the draft. Going after say Hayes or Deni who are guaranteed to get plenty of playing time and attention.

We could use a third big. I know people are high on gafford but there is a reason he fell into the second round. He can play his role well but I don't see massive improvements in his overall game

This.

Plus Okongwu helps Lauri and Wendell reach their potentials. Okongwu works much better next to Lauri than Thad. So for those minutes when we want to slide Lauri to C for matchups or whatever Okongwu gives us an excellent 2 way PF to pair him with. As for Wendell, Okongwu allows him to become more of the perimeter player Wendell would like to be since Okongwu doesn't have much of an outside shot yet.

Don't think of it as giving up on Lauri or Wendell. Think about it as turning Young into Nazr.

[Chi town]

Only issue with Okongwu is we just drafted Wendell who can also develop a 2 way game and we still have Lauri. Are we officially giving up on them? Can they not be fixed and put in the right direction? Wendell has only played 2 seasons, has been hurt a good % of the time and he really hasn't been put in a system to make him grow under poor coaching. If we add a Okongwu or Wiseman, we're only hurting their ability to play and make progress. It's not like Okongwu stands out either above all these other prospects to the point we have to take him.

That's why I think most are more in favor of taking a point guard as we have been searching for one for over a half decade since losing Derrick Rose and the 2021 draft lacks point guards. If we're going to add a point guard, now is the time to do it and we have plenty of options such as LeMelo dropping, or picking Hayes/Haliburton or acquiring Kira Lewis Jr later in the draft.

We should be drafting BPA but the problem is it's really unclear on who the BPA available is outside of LaMelo/Edwards. Why we may need to draft on positional need if nobody stands out leading up to the draft. Going after say Hayes or Deni who are guaranteed to get plenty of playing time and attention.

We could use a third big. I know people are high on gafford but there is a reason he fell into the second round. He can play his role well but I don't see massive improvements in his overall game

This.

Plus Okongwu helps Lauri and Wendell reach their potentials. Okongwu works much better next to Lauri than Thad. So for those minutes when we want to slide Lauri to C for matchups or whatever Okongwu gives us an excellent 2 way PF to pair him with. As for Wendell, Okongwu allows him to become more of the perimeter player Wendell would like to be since Okongwu doesn't have much of an outside shot yet.

Don't think of it as giving up on Lauri or Wendell. Think about it as turning Young into Nazr.

Not really into using our 4th pick for a 3rd big in a league where you don’t win with bigs.

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

We could use a third big. I know people are high on gafford but there is a reason he fell into the second round. He can play his role well but I don't see massive improvements in his overall game

This.

Plus Okongwu helps Lauri and Wendell reach their potentials. Okongwu works much better next to Lauri than Thad. So for those minutes when we want to slide Lauri to C for matchups or whatever Okongwu gives us an excellent 2 way PF to pair him with. As for Wendell, Okongwu allows him to become more of the perimeter player Wendell would like to be since Okongwu doesn't have much of an outside shot yet.

Don't think of it as giving up on Lauri or Wendell. Think about it as turning Young into Nazr.

Not really into using our 4th pick for a 3rd big in a league where you don’t win with bigs.

You win with superstars in the NBA. I don't think there are any in this draft. However, when you're talking roster construction the lack of scoring from 2nd unit bigs is a huge issue. Bigger, I think than any issue we have in the guard or wing rotation. Not to mention the guards/wings in this draft are longer term projects. Plus our bigs are constantly sidelined with injury. Choosing a PF raises the Bulls floor so that it becomes MUCH less likely we miss the playoffs. And that's what we need to draw free agents. It's not the move we need to win a championship, it's the move 3 moves before it that begins laying the best foundation.

[PaKii94]

We could use a third big. I know people are high on gafford but there is a reason he fell into the second round. He can play his role well but I don't see massive improvements in his overall game

This.

Plus Okongwu helps Lauri and Wendell reach their potentials. Okongwu works much better next to Lauri than Thad. So for those minutes when we want to slide Lauri to C for matchups or whatever Okongwu gives us an excellent 2 way PF to pair him with. As for Wendell, Okongwu allows him to become more of the perimeter player Wendell would like to be since Okongwu doesn't have much of an outside shot yet.

Don't think of it as giving up on Lauri or Wendell. Think about it as turning Young into Nazr.

Not really into using our 4th pick for a 3rd big in a league where you don’t win with bigs.

Wasn't really advocating drafting okongwu but I wouldn't let Lauri and wcj stop you from drafting him if he's bpa

[ImSlower]

I think the 3 is our biggest position of need - or a wing defender in general. I'd really like a rookie who is basically Jimmy Butler or Kawhi as rookies. Defensive hornet with a frame that suits high athleticism. I really think Isaac Okoro could fit the bill. Sounds like he's a work in progress on offense, but most mocks seem to think he has plenty of potential. I wouldn't expect starter minutes his first year though. Aaron Nesmith is also intriguing as a much different small forward - all spot-up sharpshooter who excels at off-ball movement (I love how hard Kyle Korver and JJ Redick run to get an open shot)

Anyway, I would suuuuure like to work out a trade down with the Knicks and steal an asset out of it (or ditch Felicio or something equally squee-inducing). I haven't watched more than a couple random Youtubes, though, so I'll have to spend some more time looking at them - and also Hayes, who looks like a fit for us (even perhaps a trade of Coby or Zach if we nab Hayes?).

[PrimzyBulls81]

Avdija I think will go to GSW or they pull the Suns Ayton move and pick Wiseman, just because americans are better than europeans, even when they are not. LoL - Doncic drafting khm khm..
Im not high on anybody this year, I might just package the 4th pick for good veteran help.

Easy to say. Who is this vet help?

AK and Marc are there to do that

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

I think the 3 is our biggest position of need - or a wing defender in general. I'd really like a rookie who is basically Jimmy Butler or Kawhi as rookies. Defensive hornet with a frame that suits high athleticism. I really think Isaac Okoro could fit the bill. Sounds like he's a work in progress on offense, but most mocks seem to think he has plenty of potential. I wouldn't expect starter minutes his first year though. Aaron Nesmith is also intriguing as a much different small forward - all spot-up sharpshooter who excels at off-ball movement (I love how hard Kyle Korver and JJ Redick run to get an open shot)

Anyway, I would suuuuure like to work out a trade down with the Knicks and steal an asset out of it (or ditch Felicio or something equally squee-inducing). I haven't watched more than a couple random Youtubes, though, so I'll have to spend some more time looking at them - and also Hayes, who looks like a fit for us (even perhaps a trade of Coby or Zach if we nab Hayes?).

It's interesting how people on the board identify the Bulls biggest need so differently. It's cool though. It makes for much better discussion than dueling hype trains. As for a defensive 3, Adam Mokoka did a surprisingly good job defending Luka when the Bulls met the Mavs. If you want a 3D wing that reminds you of Jimmy he might fit the bill.

As for a deal with the Knicks, I think if we make a favorable deal with anyone it's going to be the Sixers. Fire sale's comin.

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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.

#8
#27
#38
2021 and 2023 Mavs 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2021 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2022 1st Rd Pick

If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

#8 + Knicks 2021 first (lightly protected) is a trade I’d love to make.

Thats asking too much I dont think they will budge. I wouldnt mind 2022 top 5 protected or both Mav picks or 27/38/DSJ

I mean, I wouldn’t make that trade if I were them, so you may be right.

27/38/DSJ doesn’t do a thing for me though.

[GimmeDat]

DSJ's about to be out of the league. Used to think he was a decent prospect.. but was terrible in NY and the jumper falling off a cliff basically did in any of his potential. All he can basically do well at this point is jump high.

[Senor Chang]

4. Pokusevski

Speaking of Pokusevski, here is this years prospect that could shoot up into the lottery or become available in the early 2nd Round. Some impressive predraft workouts will quickly change his draft position.

Watch on YouTube

Trade Lauri for a couple picks and nab this guy with one of them. His playmaking is intriguing.

[GimmeDat]

4. Pokusevski

Speaking of Pokusevski, here is this years prospect that could shoot up into the lottery or become available in the early 2nd Round. Some impressive predraft workouts will quickly change his draft position.

Watch on YouTube

Trade Lauri for a couple picks and nab this guy with one of them. His playmaking is intriguing.

Definitely up for that if it's on the table.. I feel pretty bleak about Lauri's market right now, though.