2020 Pre-Draft Discussion

316Hornets · Post #1001 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:43 pm

Figures we win a #3 lottery spot in the 1 draft where there is no consensus besides Ball and Edwards. If Hayes is the guy, then let's pick him. I don't like how he fits with Devonte but BPA is more important than fit.

316Hornets · Post #1002 » by **316Hornets** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:28 pm

A lot of mocks have Warriors taking Wiseman at 2. We can only hope there isn't any desperate teams trading up to snag Edwards. I see him as the homerun hit this team needs, he's also the guy with least amount of flaws at the top. Shooting efficiency isn't a huge deal as we've seen countless dudes turn that around once they hit the league.

Donovan Mitchell had a TS of 52% his first year in college, exact same as Edwards.

And, if Lamelo drops instead of Edwards? That'd be crazy and would definitely bring the hype to Charlotte.

driveandkick · Post #1003 » by **driveandkick** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:39 pm

316Hornets wrote:A lot of mocks have Warriors taking Wiseman at 2. We can only hope there isn't any desperate teams trading up to snag Edwards. I see him as the homerun hit this team needs, he's also the guy with least amount of flaws at the top. Shooting efficiency isn't a huge deal as we've seen countless dudes turn that around once they hit the league.

Donovan Mitchell had a TS of 52% his first year in college, exact same as Edwards.

And, if Lamelo drops instead of Edwards? That'd be crazy and would definitely bring the hype to Charlotte.

Wiseman going at #2 would be absolutely massive as it would assuredly net us Ball or Edwards. Ball is my #1 player in this class and it's just not even close. Too many people I heavily trust when it comes to the draft have reached the same consensus.

UNCNYC · Post #1004 » by **UNCNYC** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:54 pm

316Hornets wrote:Figures we win a #3 lottery spot in the 1 draft where there is no consensus besides Ball and Edwards. If Hayes is the guy, then let's pick him. I don't like how he fits with Devonte but BPA is more important than fit.

Here is who I think is the best to offer each round in order of best to worse by position that we can draft.

FIRST ROUND

PG -
LaMelo Ball
Tyrese Haliburton
Tyrell Terry
Devon Dotson

SG -
Killian Hayes
Devin Vassell
Leandro Balmoro

SF -
Tyler Bey
Josh Green

PF -
Patrick Williams
JaDen McDaniels
Saddiq Bey

C -
Zeke Nnaji
Jalen Smith

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SECOND ROUND

PG - Skylar Mays, Malachi Flynn, Yam Mador, Kira Lewis Jr., Myles Powell, Cassius Winston, Markus Howard
SG - Karin Mane, Ty'shon Alexander, Immanuel Quickley, Mason Jones, Nate Hinton
SF - CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes, Jay Scrubb, Abdoulaye Ndoye
PF - LaMar Stevens, Malik Fitts, Isaiah Mike, Naji Marshall, Mamadi Diakite
C - Rayshaun Hammonds, Daniel Oturu, Kaleb Wesson, Reggie Perry, Udoka Azubukie, D.J. Funderburk

EDIT: sorry 316Hornets I made a mistake and added this post to your post. I meant to create a new one

JMAC3 · Post #1005 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 am

The more I watch basketball in its current state it seems like you can break players down into 4 categories.

First type is guys who rely on other players to get them shots (catch and shoot perimeter guys and dunker spot players). They really can’t create their own offense at all.

Second type are guys who can create shots for others (Joe ingles/Rubio types). However are not very good scorers themselves, typically point guards but not always.

Third type are guys who can create their own shots, but not so much for others (Anthony Davis, Jordan Clarkson, Derozan)

Last type are guys that can create their own shots and create for others. These are the superstar guys (Lebron, Luka, Giannis, Mitchell etc..)

When evaluating players for this draft where would you place the top 10 guys?

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316Hornets · Post #1006 » by **316Hornets** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:19 am

JMAC3 wrote:First type:
Okongwu, Vassell, Toppin
Second type:
Haliburton
Third type:
Edwards, Wiseman, Okoro, Avidja
Last type:
Lamelo, Hayes

Post #1007 » by **Diop** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:37 am

Yep, LaMelo can create his own shot anytime he wants. It’s more likely to miss but he still takes it

wilson115 · Post #1008 » by **wilson115** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:21 pm

Going by perceptions it looks like the popular choices on this board fall into two groups:

High potential, high risk: Ball, Edwards, Wiseman

Limited potential (but higher floor), low risk: Haliburton, Hayes, Okongwu

Braggins · Post #1009 » by **Braggins** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:24 pm

The top of this draft reminds me a bit of the 2017 draft. LaMelo reminds me of Lonzo and then you have Edwards in the Fultz mold as the big, athletic, scoring guard, with questions about his efficiency, IQ, defense, and track record of not making his teams better.

I have a feeling this draft could be a similar situation where LaMelo/Edwards go 1/2 and are both disappointments while multiple guys taken in the lottery right after them turn out to be much better.

DY_nasty · Post #1010 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:29 pm

I keep feeling like LaMelo is some sort of hoax

Like I'm not in on the joke here

Rich4114 · Post #1011 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:34 pm

What is it about LaMelo that causes people to believe he's a top 3 pick and potential star? Is it just that he's got 1-2 skills that are considered elite + his size for his position? I feel like you really need to be able to shoot/score in today's NBA to be considered a high impact player. Without that, you'll be rotational/limited and likely won't see the court during crunch time.

DY_nasty · Post #1012 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:39 pm

Rich4114 wrote:What is it about LaMelo that causes people to believe he's a top 3 pick and potential star? Is it just that he's got 1-2 skills that are considered elite + his size for his position? I feel like you really need to be able to shoot/score in today's NBA to be considered a high impact player. Without that, you'll be rotational/limited and likely won't see the court during crunch time.

He's got great ballhandling skills when he plays in high profile scrimmages and C-tier leagues at best. Is also tall and...

Ok? :lol:

Where's everything else? Its like most of the FOs in the league decided they'd move the annual mystery box pick from the late lotto up into the top 3 in hopes of convincing a GM or owner to waste a high value pick or even trade up to get him.

SWedd523 · Post #1013 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:03 pm

Diop wrote:Yep, LaMelo can create his own shot anytime he wants. It’s more likely to miss but he still takes it

Lol yeah. He belongs in Cat 2, but his brain thinks he's in cat 4

UNCNYC · Post #1014 » by **UNCNYC** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:34 pm

I truly hope we trade the pick. I am sure the Knicks want our 3rd pick. They are such a poorly run franchise that we can probably get them to trade their 8th pick for our 56th pick.

UNCNYC · Post #1015 » by **UNCNYC** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:42 pm

If we trade even if we were to drop back to pick #20 there would still be possible talent on the board like

PG - Tyrell Terry
PG - Devon Dotson
SG - Devin Vassell
SG - Leandro Balmoro
SF - Tyler Bey
SF - Josh Green
PF - Patrick Williams
PF - Saddiq Bey
PF - JaDen McDaniels
C - Zeke Nnaji
C - Jalen Smith

316Hornets · Post #1016 » by **316Hornets** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:24 pm

Rich4114 wrote:What is it about LaMelo that causes people to believe he's a top 3 pick and potential star? Is it just that he's got 1-2 skills that are considered elite + his size for his position? I feel like you really need to be able to shoot/score in today's NBA to be considered a high impact player. Without that, you'll be rotational/limited and likely won't see the court during crunch time.

NBA has become much more about entertainment lately. Look at the stars they showcase, almost all of them have that "IT" factor. Well, Lamelo has it too. What that means is he will get every opportunity for success from favorable calls to top of the line training.

The guy plays with a chip on his shoulder as well, something MJ can really appreciate. I know it's hard to believe a TV star can become a superstar but just remember Disney owns ESPN.

James Gatz · Post #1017 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:57 pm

Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.

Rich4114 · Post #1018 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:03 pm

James Gatz wrote:Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.

I'd be curious to know how Jason Kidd looked coming into the draft compared to LaMelo.

DY_nasty · Post #1019 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:29 pm

James Gatz wrote:Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.

in glorified scrimmages and aussie league :-?

MasterIchiro · Post #1020 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:36 pm

James Gatz wrote:Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.

He's an elite playmaker which is why he doesn't have to become a three point shooter. Shot looks broken but he's going to make his teammates better and you need to do that if you can't score efficiently.

I don't think he's a fit here because while we need a second ball-handler we still lack a go-to scorer. He's a really really bad fit here. So I like a trade down with the Knicks. I'd want Mitchell Robinson + 8 + right to swap 2021 firsts.