OT- Daniel Jones or Sam Darnold? Who will have the better year?

[HarthorneWingo]

Is there really going to be an NFL season? I haven't been following.

[bwgood77]

Is there really going to be an NFL season? I haven't been following.

Yes, kicks off on Thursday night.

[HarthorneWingo]

Is there really going to be an NFL season? I haven't been following.

Yes, kicks off on Thursday night.

Empty stadiums, I take it.

[8516knicks]

Is there really going to be an NFL season? I haven't been following.

Guy in my apartment complex works for NFL films monitoring games. Say unless someone DIES from Covid greedy owners will play on.

[bwgood77]

Is there really going to be an NFL season? I haven't been following.

Yes, kicks off on Thursday night.

Empty stadiums, I take it.

Most for at least Sept, a handful at 25% capacity, and at least one with no fans the whole year.

A team-by-team look at the policies for NFL fans attending games in the 2020 regular season. (As of Sept. 5, 2020).

Arizona — No fans in September for two games, against Washington and Detroit.

Atlanta — No fans in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against Seattle and on Sept. 27 against Chicago.

Baltimore — No fans for the start of the season.

Buffalo — No fans in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against New York Jets and on Sept. 27 against Los Angeles Rams.

Carolina — No fans for season opener on Sept. 13, hopeful of fans in October.

Chicago — Team plans no fans for the start of the season.

Cincinnati — No fans for home opener on Sept. 13. State allowing 6,000 fans at Oct. 4 and Oct. 25 games.

Cleveland — State permitting 6,000 fans at Sept. 17 home opener against Cincinnati, Oct. 27 against Washington.

Dallas — Announced plans for limited capacity for all games.

Denver — No fans for home opener on Sept. 14 against Tennessee.

Detroit — No fans for first two games, against Chicago on Sept. 13 and New Orleans on Oct. 4.

Green Bay — No fans for first two games, against Detroit on Sept. 20 and Atlanta on Oct. 5.

Houston — No fans in September. Affects only Sept. 20 game against Baltimore.

Indianapolis — No more than 25% capacity at games this season. Will have 2,500 fans maximum at opener on Sept. 20.

Jacksonville — Plans to have fans at about 25% of capacity at all games.

Kansas City — Plans to have fans at about 22% of capacity at all games (approximately 16,000).

Las Vegas — No fans for 2020 season.

Los Angeles Chargers — No fans indefinitely in 2020 season.

Los Angeles Rams — No fans indefinitely in 2020 season.

Miami — Maximum of 13,000 fans will be allowed at the regular-season opener on Sept. 20 against Buffalo.

Minnesota — No fans at home games in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against Green Bay and on Sept. 27 against Tennessee.

New England — No fans at home games in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against Miami and on Sept. 27 against Las Vegas.

New Orleans — No fans for opener on Sept. 13 against Tampa Bay, have not ruled out fans on Sept. 27 against Green Bay.

New York Giants — No fans “until further notice.”

New York Jets — No fans “until further notice.”

Philadelphia — No fans “until further notice.”

Pittsburgh — No fans for first two homes games, vs. Denver and Houston.

San Francisco — No fans for Sept. 13 opener against Arizona.

Seattle — No fans for at least first three home games, on Sept. 20 against New England, on Sept. 27 against Dallas and on Oct. 11 against Minnesota.

Tampa Bay — No fans for first two home games, on Sept. 20 against Carolina and on Oct. 4 against the Los Angeles Chargers.

Tennessee — No fans in September. Affects only Sept. 20 game against Jacksonville.

Washington — No fans for 2020 season.

https://www.indianagazette.com/sports/a-team-by-team-look-at-policies-for-nfl-fans-attending-games/article_afc8e0e3-94bc-5470-a6db-c3253138ce0e.html

[HarthorneWingo]

Yes, kicks off on Thursday night.

Empty stadiums, I take it.

Most for at least Sept, a handful at 25% capacity, and at least one with no fans the whole year.

A team-by-team look at the policies for NFL fans attending games in the 2020 regular season. (As of Sept. 5, 2020).

Arizona — No fans in September for two games, against Washington and Detroit.

Atlanta — No fans in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against Seattle and on Sept. 27 against Chicago.

Baltimore — No fans for the start of the season.

Buffalo — No fans in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against New York Jets and on Sept. 27 against Los Angeles Rams.

Carolina — No fans for season opener on Sept. 13, hopeful of fans in October.

Chicago — Team plans no fans for the start of the season.

Cincinnati — No fans for home opener on Sept. 13. State allowing 6,000 fans at Oct. 4 and Oct. 25 games.

Cleveland — State permitting 6,000 fans at Sept. 17 home opener against Cincinnati, Oct. 27 against Washington.

Dallas — Announced plans for limited capacity for all games.

Denver — No fans for home opener on Sept. 14 against Tennessee.

Detroit — No fans for first two games, against Chicago on Sept. 13 and New Orleans on Oct. 4.

Green Bay — No fans for first two games, against Detroit on Sept. 20 and Atlanta on Oct. 5.

Houston — No fans in September. Affects only Sept. 20 game against Baltimore.

Indianapolis — No more than 25% capacity at games this season. Will have 2,500 fans maximum at opener on Sept. 20.

Jacksonville — Plans to have fans at about 25% of capacity at all games.

Kansas City — Plans to have fans at about 22% of capacity at all games (approximately 16,000).

Las Vegas — No fans for 2020 season.

Los Angeles Chargers — No fans indefinitely in 2020 season.

Los Angeles Rams — No fans indefinitely in 2020 season.

Miami — Maximum of 13,000 fans will be allowed at the regular-season opener on Sept. 20 against Buffalo.

Minnesota — No fans at home games in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against Green Bay and on Sept. 27 against Tennessee.

New England — No fans at home games in September. Affects two games, on Sept. 13 against Miami and on Sept. 27 against Las Vegas.

New Orleans — No fans for opener on Sept. 13 against Tampa Bay, have not ruled out fans on Sept. 27 against Green Bay.

New York Giants — No fans “until further notice.”

New York Jets — No fans “until further notice.”

Philadelphia — No fans “until further notice.”

Pittsburgh — No fans for first two homes games, vs. Denver and Houston.

San Francisco — No fans for Sept. 13 opener against Arizona.

Seattle — No fans for at least first three home games, on Sept. 20 against New England, on Sept. 27 against Dallas and on Oct. 11 against Minnesota.

Tampa Bay — No fans for first two home games, on Sept. 20 against Carolina and on Oct. 4 against the Los Angeles Chargers.

Tennessee — No fans in September. Affects only Sept. 20 game against Jacksonville.

Washington — No fans for 2020 season.

https://www.indianagazette.com/sports/a-team-by-team-look-at-policies-for-nfl-fans-attending-games/article_afc8e0e3-94bc-5470-a6db-c3253138ce0e.html

Probably for the best. Why should Jets’ fans be suckered into buying tickets for this team. Over 50 years since we’ve been to a SB.

[bwgood77]

Probably for the best. Why should Jets’ fans be suckered into buying tickets for this team. Over 50 years since we’ve been to a SB.

So Daniel Jones vs Sam Darnold? Who you got?

[F N 11]

Jones by a lot.

[HarthorneWingo]

Probably for the best. Why should Jets’ fans be suckered into buying tickets for this team. Over 50 years since we’ve been to a SB.

So Daniel Jones vs Sam Darnold? Who you got?

This is probably the kids of death but Darnold. Though he has little for targets this season.

[HarthorneWingo]

Jones by a lot.

[Traveyknicks23]

Jones by a lot.

HE SAID JONES BY ALOT WHICH IS CORRECT

[moocow007]

Probably for the best. Why should Jets’ fans be suckered into buying tickets for this team. Over 50 years since we’ve been to a SB.

So Daniel Jones vs Sam Darnold? Who you got?

D'Arnold is clearly the more talented QB.

And Joe Douglas has definitely spent a lot of effort to try and protect the guy (a big problem since they drafted D'Arnold) by revamping and upgrading the OL.

They still need to give DArnold some targets but I feel better about Douglas leading the front office than just about anyone else they've had in decades (kinda like the Knicks).

And contrary to popular belief, it's not like the Giants have been all that great either in recent years. The Jets have actually won 4 more games the last 3 seasons than the Giants.

No, the Jets don't really have a stellar receiving corps for D'Arnold but it's not like the Giants have a top shelf receiving corps either (I'd rather have Breshad Perriman as my no.1 receiver than Sterling Sheppard if I was a QB).

The Giants have Saquon and he's obviously more talented than anything the Jets can muster (unless Bell finds the Fountain of Former Productivity...unlikely with Gase as the head coach) but still...Barkley been's kinda injury prone so far.

So I'll go with D'Arnold. And this is coming from someone that would live to see Trevor Lawrence in a Jets uniform.

[j4remi]

The Jets O-Line sounds like it's been working into a good place to start gelling, but the practice scrimmage did not go well.
Their WR corps was depleted throughout camp and it was already the biggest weakness on the damned team.
But on the good side:
Herndon and Darnold have natural chemistry that should be on display fast.

The depleted WR's forced Gase to unleash Leveon Bell as a receiver and I'm praying that he finally figured out the versatility Bell affords him.

And imo, Darnold is just a better QB prospect. Kid has been pretty solid despite being incredibly young, having no O-line protection and having mediocre receiver options. He's a year older and the O-line has way more talent than prior, so two of those have improved.

I think Sam is recognized as the better QB by the end of the season, though a tough schedule and WR's that can't get great separation are still worrisome.

[-YogiBiz-]

Probably for the best. Why should Jets’ fans be suckered into buying tickets for this team. Over 50 years since we’ve been to a SB.

So Daniel Jones vs Sam Darnold? Who you got?

D'Arnold is clearly the more talented QB.

Clearly is a strong word. Considering Jones' O-Line was at least as bad as Darnold's in 2019. And considering Tate, Engram, Barkley, and Sheppard all missed time, it is pretty impressive he threw more TD's and fewer picks than Darnold as a rookie. I do concede his fumbles are a problem, but he showed off better arm talent than Darnold did. In the same number of games.

And contrary to popular belief, it's not like the Giants have been all that great either in recent years. The Jets have actually won 4 more games the last 3 seasons than the Giants.

Who lied to your face and told you the Giants have been good? They have been bad for a few years now. Even with that Playoff appearance with OBJ and Co going to the Boat.

No, the Jets don't really have a stellar receiving corps for D'Arnold but it's not like the Giants have a top shelf receiving corps either (I'd rather have Breshad Perriman as my no.1 receiver than Sterling Sheppard if I was a QB).

Sheppard isn't the number 1 per se. The top target is def Barkley/Engram in our offense. Darius Slayton will probably get the most touches on the outside as well. The slot will be Sheppard and maybe sometimes Tate, but Tate will likely be taking reps on the outside. This corps is better than anything the Jets will hope to put out this year.


So I'll go with D'Arnold. And this is coming from someone that would live to see Trevor Lawrence in a Jets uniform.[/quote]

I'll lean with Jones, who will likely pilot the more successful offense this year.

[Manhattan Project]

Even though the whole point of the topic is to get people to join the picks, I will say this since it’s on the Knicks board. Darnold is the same age as the first pick this year, came out as a project and the Jets haven’t done him any favors in terms of developing him. Now entering the third year, we finally attempted to build an offensive line, that weapons are still pedestrian around him however.

Goes to show how this mentality that fans have just doesn’t apply to prospects on the Knicks.

[DOT]

Spoiler:

[MaseInYourFace]

I like Darnold a lot but Jets are setting him up to fail with that coach and the pieces they put around him. Jones on the other hand has much better talent around him and just needs to address the fumbling thing which I think he'll probably figure out as most QB's are able to overcome that issue.

PS: I meant to add that Darnold is probably the more polished QB in the traditional sense but Jones is definitely more naturally talented. Jones is the more mobile guy and seems to have better natural arm strength. It's hard to say who is or will be better because there are a lot of variables there and they are still puppies. I do think that the Giants are a better org top to bottom than the jets even taking into consideration that Giants have been a very bad team in recent years. I voted Jones because he has better variables around him and therefore has a better shot to succeed in my opinion.

[moocow007]

Well after 3 weeks...

In terms of passing rating among starting QB's, Darnold is ranked 30th at 70.7 and Jones is ranked 31st at 69.2. Only starting QB that has a worse QB rating is Carson Wentz of the Eagles at 63.9.

Jets have been hit with injuries left and right to their offensive roster (OL, WR and RB) and are currently using taxi squad players as starters at multiple positions.

At this point you can argue that neither guy looks like franchise QB's and that both teams may soon be looking with googly eyes at Trevor Lawrence. But then again, even a guy like Lawrence will likely struggle on these crap NY teams.

[KnicksGadfly]

This debate is starting to remind me of the DSJ vs Frank arguments

[DaGawd]

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