Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[Bucksfan28]

Tactically speaking, couldnt the Bucks let Giannis expire in 2021, sign a couple guys, then use his bird rights to go into the lux tax? If they dont guarantee Hill its looking like theyd be at $76M on the books.

Obviously a risky proposition and i havent given much thought to who those guys would be, but a quick glance at the FA list shows some talent.

No because of the cap hold.

Damn.

[Pachinko_]

Having someone like Brogdon would certainly help. For the role he would play on this team, I think you could find a guy for cheaper or a combo for the same money.

That's pretty much the summary.
No point paying for brogdon, only to tell him he's not allowed to do anything more than what Wes Matthews does.

Brogdon is good at things that we simply couldn't have him doing. If you think we'd give the ball to him in the play offs to walk it up court, put everyone in position and run some complex play, which is what he does in indy, you're dreaming.

In the Bucks unless your name is Giannis or Khris, if you get the ball you have max 2 seconds to finish whatever it is you're doing with it. Right or wrong, that was the plan last summer and Brogdon had no place in it. And if he did he wouldn't want it.


In case some of the trolls in this thread want an actual reason why we let Brogdon go.

[El Duderino]

I wonder if Giannis signs an extension, but not the five year max. Maybe something like Kawhi did with the Clippers, two plus one.

1. It guarantees Giannis a bunch more money on top of his expiring 100 million dollar deal, and with his young age, he'd still get another monster contract before he turns 30.

2. It allows him to show some loyalty to the Bucks which seems to matter to him, but doesn't tie him to the team for as long as a five year extension in case a title doesn't happen or look realistic.

[James1980]

Ok, but if you don't want Brogdon at 20 mil a year, at least you get the TPE.

[Plossum]

I was on record saying that not signing Brogs was a mistake. But realistically, we still lose to Miami with him. Maybe we push it to six.

The fatal error was re-signing Bledsoe and failing to do anything about despite it being pretty clear he isn’t up to it.

[Plossum]

So it’s pretty obv Lasry leaking every details of the meeting with Giannis to Woj. This would kinda annoy me if I’m Giannis. Can you have a frank discussion with him if he’s straight on the line to Woj after your meetings all the time?

[Brewhoopfan]

Bringing in a ball dominant PG like CP3 would change how the Bucks play considerably. The biggest change would be for Giannis. As great as Giannis has been, we've seen the playoff limitations of top of the key Giannis. Who is going to teach him to play off the ball?

[skones]

Bringing in a ball dominant PG like CP3 would change how the Bucks play considerably. The biggest change would be for Giannis. As great as Giannis has been, we've seen the playoff limitations of top of the key Giannis. Who is going to teach him to play off the ball?

Giannis needs to make a considerable skill leap this season in order for anything to work. We've now seen two (three if you want to count Boston in 18) give him CONSIDERABLE trouble, and then watched him force low IQ basketball. The irony of his quote on "seeing a wall and he's the guy who goes through it" was the entire problem in the Heat series. It's fair to question whether he can be the best player on an NBA Championship team where his game currently stands.

I'd be stunned if Bud wasn't able to tweak the playing style considerably to accommodate a guy like Paul. Both Teague and Schroder made considerable leaps under his tutelage. I think he understands what a guy like CP3 would bring to the table.

[Pachinko_]

Bringing in a ball dominant PG like CP3 would change how the Bucks play considerably. The biggest change would be for Giannis. As great as Giannis has been, we've seen the playoff limitations of top of the key Giannis. Who is going to teach him to play off the ball?

Giannis needs to make a considerable skill leap this season in order for anything to work. We've now seen two (three if you want to count Boston in 18) give him CONSIDERABLE trouble, and then watched him force low IQ basketball. The irony of his quote on "seeing a wall and he's the guy who goes through it" was the entire problem in the Heat series. It's fair to question whether he can be the best player on an NBA Championship team where his game currently stands.

I'd be stunned if Bud wasn't able to tweak the playing style considerably to accommodate a guy like Paul. Both Teague and Schroder made considerable leaps under his tutelage. I think he understands what a guy like CP3 would bring to the table.

There's nothing to question, he simply can't do it. We've been talking about what he needs to add to his game for years and he's just not adding it. He adds muscle instead which is something I guess. Maybe we (better yet, the Bucks) need to get over it and think what else can be done instead of flogging the dead horse of Giannis becoming a half court play off scorer. It doesn't look like it's happening.

To be honest it's a pretty big limitation, but considering what else he brings to the table, the D, rebounds, finishing at the rim, pulling 2-3 defenders on him, pushing the ball straight off rebounds etc, it's pretty sad that we can't figure out a team strategy and roster construction that puts it all together.... there must be some way. We tried the shooters and the spacing, it didn't work.
Maybe we need to do the same thing but better. bring better shooters.

[Fotis St]

I believe we are asking too much from Giannis, its like we are asking from him to beat a whole team by himself.
So I myself pointed out that he needs to improve his FT%, that should be his next step of improvement.
Meanwhile people have expressed complains on why Giannis can't win a 1v3 - wall situation ?
Is that serious ? I mean lets ask him to Defend-get the rebound-get fast break points or if they get back and
we are on half court offense, beat the 1v3 , beat em all too and win us the trophy.
And do that in 32 minutes ? I mean this is bs, what the **** are we paying the others for ?
It hasn't happened ever in any team sport and Giannis even a SemiGod can't do it by himself.
We need better coaching right now, we need this 2nd guy that draws alot of attention and creates wholes to opponent defenses.
A playmaker , a creator and scorer , so Giannis can have a break even in game and be more relaxed and clever on his off ball movement to impact the game. Khris ain't that type of player, he can get his own shot alright but he can't create for others cause he is slow and his handles aren't that good to penetrate and create space for others.

[paulpressey25]

The fatal error was re-signing Bledsoe and failing to do anything about despite it being pretty clear he isn’t up to it.

There weren't a lot of other alternatives. Its hard to find a first team all-defense PG who can blow up the opposing team's offense at the point of attack.

Go back over Bucks PG history. Bledsoe will go down as one of the best over the last 30 years despite his brain freezes.

I'm not mitigating how damaging the brain freezes are. Just noting he brings a lot to the table that isn't easily replicated with "Frank Mason".

[tydett]

The fatal error was re-signing Bledsoe and failing to do anything about despite it being pretty clear he isn’t up to it.

There weren't a lot of other alternatives. Its hard to find a first team all-defense PG who can blow up the opposing team's offense at the point of attack.

Go back over Bucks PG history. Bledsoe will go down as one of the best over the last 30 years despite his brain freezes.

I'm not mitigating how damaging the brain freezes are. Just noting he brings a lot to the table that isn't easily replicated with "Frank Mason".

I think people here will be surprised by the hubris of execs around the league/value Bledsoe has. He's on a very team friendly contract. He's an elite defender. He is a hard worker. He just can't shoot. On the Bucks this is magnified because his greatest skill as a PG, driving to the rim with reckless abandon, overlaps with our franchise player. RUSSELL WESTBROOK GARNERED POSITIVE ASSETS and one could argue that, total impact considered, he is a worse player than Bled (on a FAR worse contract). When (not really if anymore) Bled is traded this offseason, I think we'll get a good return for him.

[paulpressey25]

He just can't shoot. On the Bucks this is magnified because his greatest skill as a PG, driving to the rim with reckless abandon, overlaps with our franchise player.

Agreed. Other teams don't have a PG who can drive like he can.

He also actually can shoot. All of his shooting metrics, FG%, 3p%, TS% really aren't that bad for a player who is as good a defender as he is. We aren't talking about TJ Ford, Brandon Jennings or MCW. Those guys couldn't shoot.

His issue is composure, especially when good teams turn up the D in the playoffs.

[truly]

Has Bledsoe really been that good defensively in the playoffs?

[tydett]

He just can't shoot. On the Bucks this is magnified because his greatest skill as a PG, driving to the rim with reckless abandon, overlaps with our franchise player.

Agreed. Other teams don't have a PG who can drive like he can.

He also actually can shoot. All of his shooting metrics, FG%, 3p%, TS% really aren't that bad for a player who is as good a defender as he is. We aren't talking about TJ Ford, Brandon Jennings or MCW. Those guys couldn't shoot.

His issue is composure, especially when good teams turn up the D in the playoffs.

Eh, I think Jennings showed being a better shooter than Bled, he just couldn't finish. Bled has trouble from distance and definitely gets in his own head, but on another team, the coach could hide that. Here, it gets amplified because his defender sags and he doesn't have a way to consistently punish it.

[emunney]

I wonder if Giannis signs an extension, but not the five year max. Maybe something like Kawhi did with the Clippers, two plus one.

1. It guarantees Giannis a bunch more money on top of his expiring 100 million dollar deal, and with his young age, he'd still get another monster contract before he turns 30.

2. It allows him to show some loyalty to the Bucks which seems to matter to him, but doesn't tie him to the team for as long as a five year extension in case a title doesn't happen or look realistic.

I think this is probably the second most likely option, *most* likely if something can be done to assure extension signers this Fall that they're not going to get screwed by revenues dipping just for 1-2 years and then firing up the next year. If not, I think it's a 1+1 in free agency after next season and and we're hearing about all the teams who "intend to pursue" for another year.

[fansinceforever]

I think Giannis was against the sign n trade of Brogdon and he just went to Lasry and said "I told you so, now what ? You gonna go cheap or will you gonna go ALL IN for a ring ? Cause I'm going ALL IN for 7 years in row... Are we on the same page ? If we are ... show me "

Man with all this garbage about brogdan you would think hes the second coming of MJ the dude didnt want to be in milwaukee and its funny nothing was said about brogdan during the season when they were racing to 70 wins.It was more like malcolm who? but crap your pants in the POs out comes damn horst you suck should of kept brogdan

It was mentioned often. Brogdon is a talented player whos skill set we needed more of even when he was on the roster.

It was obvious last year at this time and its even more obvious now. I would be shocked if that decision was not discussed during the 3 hour meeting.

[coolhandluke121]

The fatal error was re-signing Bledsoe and failing to do anything about despite it being pretty clear he isn’t up to it.

There weren't a lot of other alternatives. Its hard to find a first team all-defense PG who can blow up the opposing team's offense at the point of attack.

Go back over Bucks PG history. Bledsoe will go down as one of the best over the last 30 years despite his brain freezes.

I'm not mitigating how damaging the brain freezes are. Just noting he brings a lot to the table that isn't easily replicated with "Frank Mason".

It was never going to be ideal with Bledsoe because he can't shoot and he's not a floor general, which are two things the team needs. However, it's ridiculous how much people are making him the fall guy this year. He's not any more to blame than any number of people involved. If he was the main problem this year, why were the Bucks one FT away from going up 3-0 and possibly sweeping a Raptors team that was far superior to this year's Heat with Bledsoe playing just as poorly in the ECF last year? Clearly a bunch of people involved tanked this time around.

[fansinceforever]

He was culpable in the next 4 losses...

There is blame to share but when youre PG is scared to shoot the ball and can't restore calm to your offense in the playoffs, thats an enormous issue.

[emunney]

The fatal error was re-signing Bledsoe and failing to do anything about despite it being pretty clear he isn’t up to it.

There weren't a lot of other alternatives. Its hard to find a first team all-defense PG who can blow up the opposing team's offense at the point of attack.

Go back over Bucks PG history. Bledsoe will go down as one of the best over the last 30 years despite his brain freezes.

I'm not mitigating how damaging the brain freezes are. Just noting he brings a lot to the table that isn't easily replicated with "Frank Mason".

Last night was thinking about how good our problems are compared to past years. Now it's that all our players aren't perfect. Just a few short years ago we were starting Delly and Henson.