The 2019-20 All-NBA Team!

Vlade Divac · Post #61 » by **Vlade Divac** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:29 pm

So no Biid? Finally.

Son Goku 25 · Post #62 » by **Son Goku 25** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:29 pm

rather have Lowry in there than Siakam.

YogurtProducer · Post #63 » by **YogurtProducer** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:30 pm

Factorq wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Also people **** on Siakam are using so much decency bias and are ignoring he has a really, really good season and was healthy for most of it.

I'll have you know, good sir, that there is no point in this season that I would have dared to say that Siakam was having a better season than Tatum. Statistically, they essentially put up the same numbers, with Tatum getting a slight nod in scoring efficiency. Then when you watch the games, it's clear that Tatum is a far greater focal point of the offense, and receives much more defensive attention than Siakam. Even if we ignore how bad Siakam was in the playoffs, it's incredibly fair to argue Tatum deserves to be above him in the all-nba teams.

I mean, other than the fact Siakam was having a better season Statistically on a better (regular season) team by far up until around February when Tatum went 31-7-3 on 64TS%.

This is all pre bubble to, where Tatum improves his stats and Siakam dropped his.

Let’s not use recency bias because it appears people have forgot how good Siakam was pre Orlando.

TheGOATWill · Post #64 » by **TheGOATWill** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:30 pm

NY 567 wrote:Everything looks fine except Siakam on the 2nd team and AD over Jokic is a joke. AD is a second option

Is defense important in basketball?

Vlade Divac · Post #65 » by **Vlade Divac** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:30 pm

Homer38 wrote:For Siamkam,I don't said that he deserve to be in the second team but his votes were before the bubble.

I don’t think Siamkam got any votes?

Post #66 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:30 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
Wagonband wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:Siakim second team suspect. Weird what happened to him. Doncic first team? Really?

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Why are you trying to trigger half the forum? Doncic absolutely deservers first team, only Kawhi could really challenge him. And Siakam 2nd team is a travesty. And i'm not just saying because of his bad playoffs, but he was just far less efficient and effective than last year, just jacked up more shots. He is not a top 10 NBA player.

Doncic has great stats, but I just didn't think he was a top 5 nba player this year. I think CP3 was better. I would have out Doncic second team. I think people get enamored too much by the triple-doubles.

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I got killed earlier for saying I had Dame over Luka so I too think he belonged on the 2nd and not 1st. But my guess is his spot is less about triple-doubles and more about that elite Mavs offense.

Inevitable · Post #67 » by **Inevitable** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:31 pm

Well deserved Siakam.

kuclas · Post #68 » by **kuclas** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:31 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:how is embiid not third team over gobert? wtf

Embiid injured all the time. They based it on performance pre NBA shut down in March. He missed like 20 of the first 65 games. He’s great player but didn’t deserve anything this year. And I’m a huge Embiid fan. He is great but he’s not great every night. You get him playing great every 3rd game and that’s not good enough.

YogurtProducer · Post #69 » by **YogurtProducer** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:31 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:
TravisScott55 wrote:Russell Westbrook making 3rd team over Lowry is a joke.

WB: 27, 8, and 7 on 47% shooting
KL: 19, 5, and 7.5 on 42% shooting

So Russ average 8 more points, 3 more rebounds, almost the same assists AND was more efficient than lowry

No competition.

Field goal percentage is garbage, and you completely ignore defence.

Lowry is better than Westbrook. It’s just a fact and has been for many years. Most underrated player vs the most overrated.

Is Lowry was a rocket they’d possibly still be in the playoffs imo

They’d never trade him, but Lowry should be a Houston target for sure for a one year run

Green89 · Post #70 » by **Green89** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:31 pm

Denisaur9 wrote:Siakim had a terrible playoffs but people can't forget he averaged almost 24/9/4 while being a very good defender.

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He averaged 23/7/3.5 on 45% FG and 36% 3pt, PER 17.9
Tatum averaged 23/7/3 on 45% FG and 40% 3pt, PER 20.4

DarkAzcura · Post #71 » by **DarkAzcura** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:31 pm

The Comedian wrote:They voted for this before the bubble, IIRC.

That explains why Siakam made second team, though I think Tatum was better during the pre bubble season as well.

Tatum was better after 2020 rolled in. Those first couple months, Siakam was playing better. It's probably a toss up because of that, but Tatum was so much better in 2020 that it's hard to say it's equal.

Jadoogar · Post #72 » by **Jadoogar** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:32 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:siakam might be the worst 2nd team all nba guy in nba history. if anybody was ever exposed in the playoffs - damn.

Westbrook might be the worst 3rd team all nba guy in nba history. if anybody was ever exposed in the playoffs (in multiple years) - damn

Post #73 » by **bisme37** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:32 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:how is embiid not third team over gobert? wtf

Joel was bad this season by his standards. Very inconsistent. A 6th seed isn't going to get more than one All NBA player and Simmons had the better year.

NY 567 · Post #74 » by **NY 567** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:33 pm

TheGOATWill wrote:
NY 567 wrote:Everything looks fine except Siakam on the 2nd team and AD over Jokic is a joke. AD is a second option

Is defense important in basketball?

Of course. But ADs defense isn't enough to put him over Jokic. The impact and gravity Jokic brings on offense is just too much. AD has a career history of being a fairly ineffective lead guy. He's perfect on the Lakers as a 2nd option.

Post #75 » by **bisme37** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:33 pm

Denisaur9 wrote:Siakim had a terrible playoffs but people can't forget he averaged almost 24/9/4 while being a very good defender.

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Wait those were not Pascal's actual stats.

xdrta+ · Post #76 » by **xdrta+** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:35 pm

kuclas wrote:Sixers even more screwed. Since Simmons is 3rd team all NBA the 5% salary kicker for the extension.

Siakam benefits also. They both get starting salaries worth 28% of the 2020/21 salary cap, rather than 25%.

SwaggyB · Post #77 » by **SwaggyB** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:35 pm

Keep in mind these were voted on pre-bubble.

Would likely look a bit different if they only voted on it now.

jimmy keys · Post #78 » by **jimmy keys** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:36 pm

Factorq wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Also people **** on Siakam are using so much decency bias and are ignoring he has a really, really good season and was healthy for most of it.

I'll have you know, good sir, that there is no point in this season that I would have dared to say that Siakam was having a better season than Tatum. Statistically, they essentially put up the same numbers, with Tatum getting a slight nod in scoring efficiency. Then when you watch the games, it's clear that Tatum is a far greater focal point of the offense, and receives much more defensive attention than Siakam. Even if we ignore how bad Siakam was in the playoffs, it's incredibly fair to argue Tatum deserves to be above him in the all-nba teams.

Skipped the first 3 months of the season I'm guessing? He looked way better up until the all-star game, but Tatum has looked much better since.

timO · Post #79 » by **timO** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:37 pm

TravisScott55 wrote:Russell Westbrook making 3rd team over Lowry is a joke.

27-8-7

vs

19-5-7

:lol:

celticfan42487 · Post #80 » by **celticfan42487** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:38 pm

BigBoss23 wrote:Obviously Siakam and Westbrook stand out like sore thumbs here.

....

Okay based on this. Serious question. Are they so lazy and uncaring that they just submitted these lineups after the first month and then checked out for the rest of the year?

Because honestly, that at the moment is the only thing that lines up with these votes.

Both Siakam and Westbrook had a hot first month or so.