Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win?

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Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked roster in order to win?

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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#101 » by LesGrossman » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:21 pm

nikster wrote:
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nikster wrote:Yes if you just plopped another top 5 player on the Nuggets or Heat they would be stacked

What makes them "stacked" then? And since you say they'd have to add another top 5 player (difficult since two of them play on the lakers), they are not stacked right now? Are the lakers then stacked, or maybe even super stacked?

I like how everyone who has an interest in downplaying Kawhis meaning (be it leBron stans who fear he could take over, Spurs fans bitter over the way he departed or Raptors fans still salty that he didnt sign) is acting like those Raptors were a superteam everyone wanted to play on. They were looking for a legit star for years and noone thought they'd be any good. NOONE. NOw all those couch experts knew it all the time, and Kawhi bringing the title wasnt so meaningful. Why is it so hard to admit that he is exceptional and did somethign special there in his one and only year?

Since Masai came there was really never any opportunities to sign a superstar free agent due to cap space and they're incredibly rare to come by in trade.

What everyone is describing as stacked is the Raptors as a supporting cast. I don't know why you can't wrap your head around that. they made no major changes to this team from last year, so literally just add Kawhi and Danny Green to this roster.

Yeah i know thats who they lost. They made it to the second round in the east, good job beating the nets without KD and Kyrie. What i dont get is how and why one would claim they are stacked. Simple as that. Maybe we just have different ideas of what "stacking" means.
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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#102 » by Heej » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Lol don't waste your time Nik this guy is trolling. No one is that dense :rofl:
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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#103 » by nikster » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:15 pm

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LesGrossman wrote:What makes them "stacked" then? And since you say they'd have to add another top 5 player (difficult since two of them play on the lakers), they are not stacked right now? Are the lakers then stacked, or maybe even super stacked?

I like how everyone who has an interest in downplaying Kawhis meaning (be it leBron stans who fear he could take over, Spurs fans bitter over the way he departed or Raptors fans still salty that he didnt sign) is acting like those Raptors were a superteam everyone wanted to play on. They were looking for a legit star for years and noone thought they'd be any good. NOONE. NOw all those couch experts knew it all the time, and Kawhi bringing the title wasnt so meaningful. Why is it so hard to admit that he is exceptional and did somethign special there in his one and only year?

Since Masai came there was really never any opportunities to sign a superstar free agent due to cap space and they're incredibly rare to come by in trade.

What everyone is describing as stacked is the Raptors as a supporting cast. I don't know why you can't wrap your head around that. they made no major changes to this team from last year, so literally just add Kawhi and Danny Green to this roster.

Yeah i know thats who they lost. They made it to the second round in the east, good job beating the nets without KD and Kyrie. What i dont get is how and why one would claim they are stacked. Simple as that. Maybe we just have different ideas of what "stacking" means.

Because they'd have the best D in the league, great shooting and play making at every position, and the deepest. Would be the best supporting cast on the league
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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#104 » by LesGrossman » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:48 pm

nikster wrote:
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nikster wrote:Since Masai came there was really never any opportunities to sign a superstar free agent due to cap space and they're incredibly rare to come by in trade.

What everyone is describing as stacked is the Raptors as a supporting cast. I don't know why you can't wrap your head around that. they made no major changes to this team from last year, so literally just add Kawhi and Danny Green to this roster.

Yeah i know thats who they lost. They made it to the second round in the east, good job beating the nets without KD and Kyrie. What i dont get is how and why one would claim they are stacked. Simple as that. Maybe we just have different ideas of what "stacking" means.

Because they'd have the best D in the league, great shooting and play making at every position, and the deepest. Would be the best supporting cast on the league

A stacked team in my defintion is one that has more or less average or slightly above average role players and then overwhelming top shelf talent. Thats pretty much the lakers, or the 2011/2012/2013 Miami heat. Toronto, not really. Theres a very good basis of good talent and decent role players but there is not a single one who would make you dream about trading for him. Not Siakam, not Lowry, not old man Ibaka or Gasol. Not what i see as a stacked team, not even close. Are the Jazz stacked? Or the grit and grind Grizzlies, because they played tough defense? Not in my book, and they all built naturally. "stacking" implies an active part, an activity that is aimed at improving your chances by getting more talent into your team. THe raptors didnt do that, those people are drafted or traded.

But as i said, it probably depends on your definition.
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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#105 » by AingesBurner » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:57 pm

He’s a system player, not sure about stacked.
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Post#106 » by Lalouie » Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:05 pm

Joerezz7 wrote:Seems like he can’t get the job done if his team is not stacked. If you’re a top 5 player and your team is expected to win but yet you don’t take over the game and disappear in the 4th quarter. If this was Lebron the media would be killing him. He basically needs a team that would be a 3rd or 2nd without him in order to win.


if Lebron has to then why not
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Post#107 » by nikster » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:01 am

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Heej wrote:Lol don't waste your time Nik this guy is trolling. No one is that dense :rofl:

yeah I gotta learn when to quit haha. Although I disagree that no one is that dense
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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#108 » by Tracymcgoaty » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:19 am

Kawhi Leonard is about as good as Lou Will. Nothing special bench him and Clippers probably win.

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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#109 » by Branduil » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:34 am

"System player" is the wrong term. My impression is that Kawhi is not comfortable being a vocal leader in the locker room, so what he needs is a team full of veterans led by a savvy, calculating coach who knows how to bring out their full potential. He had that in San Antonio and Toronto, teams which already had an established, mature culture. The Clippers, by contrast, are a perennial joke franchise with an overrated coach and team full of arrogant, immature clowns.

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