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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2681 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:29 am

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We live in a copy cat league but the Heat's success, and previously the Warriors', shows how effective it can be to have three point shooters who are constantly moving, rather than standing still and spitting up. Guys who can dribble and pass a bit, and shoot off the catch. That way you don't need a true facilitator or creator, a guy who can break down defenses, as the defense is always in chaos as it chases around two threats. Teams are forced to use a box and two or triangle and three (which not all teams are comfortable with) especially if those shooters are really dangerous. That's why guys like Terry, Bane, Joe, Pritchard, Flynn, Tillie, Ramsey, Howard, Merrill, could be attractive.

It feels like this video is screaming "TYRELL TERRY" at me. lol

I'm looking forward to Matt Thomas' promotion into the rotation next year. His shooting was absolutely brilliant this season. I think my favourite thing about him that has sold me is his defensive improvement over the season. He was so bad defensively at first (I had very little hope to be honest) but he kept improving and was not looking like a total liability in the bubble. He is a true professional. He's going to add a nice wrinkle to our offence.

I mentioned this before but Tillie is interesting to me. I think grabbing a ball handler is higher up our priority list but the idea of having a bulls eye shooting big in our rotation sounds really nice. That type of player would compliment our team so well (and Giannis lol).
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Post#2682 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:36 am

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Do you guys think there's been a single mention of who we'll end up drafting in this thread?
I feel like we've covered just about everyone but Masai will still end up shocking us.

“With the 29th pick, the Toronto Raptors select Li qiang from Guangdong China. “


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“Fire masai!”

“He was on my radar. Huge potential.”

“Bruno 2.0”

“Scouting report says he is a hybrid of Yao Ming, Steph curry and milt pilacio.”


Totally. Every year this board does a great job of highlighting good looking picks, which we then almost never take.

I actually think the board has done a pretty good job of predicting the picks during the Masai era. It seemed like Delon Wright, Poeltl, OG were the popular picks for their draft slots.
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Post#2683 » by TRik » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:41 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:
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casual_raps_fan wrote:“With the 29th pick, the Toronto Raptors select Li qiang from Guangdong China. “


Realgm reactions:
“Fire masai!”

“He was on my radar. Huge potential.”

“Bruno 2.0”

“Scouting report says he is a hybrid of Yao Ming, Steph curry and milt pilacio.”


Totally. Every year this board does a great job of highlighting good looking picks, which we then almost never take.

I actually think the board has done a pretty good job of predicting the picks during the Masai era. It seemed like Delon Wright, Poeltl, OG were the popular picks for their draft slots.


Fair. Maybe it's just that the 'who the hell is this guy??' picks are more memorable for me.
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Post#2684 » by Mark_83 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:51 am

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Mark_83 wrote:
We live in a copy cat league but the Heat's success, and previously the Warriors', shows how effective it can be to have three point shooters who are constantly moving, rather than standing still and spitting up. Guys who can dribble and pass a bit, and shoot off the catch. That way you don't need a true facilitator or creator, a guy who can break down defenses, as the defense is always in chaos as it chases around two threats. Teams are forced to use a box and two or triangle and three (which not all teams are comfortable with) especially if those shooters are really dangerous. That's why guys like Terry, Bane, Joe, Pritchard, Flynn, Tillie, Ramsey, Howard, Merrill, could be attractive.

It feels like this video is screaming "TYRELL TERRY" at me. lol

I'm looking forward to Matt Thomas' promotion into the rotation next year. His shooting was absolutely brilliant this season. I think my favourite thing about him that has sold me is his defensive improvement over the season. He was so bad defensively at first (I had very little hope to be honest) but he kept improving and was not looking like a total liability in the bubble. He is a true professional. He's going to add a nice wrinkle to our offence.

I mentioned this before but Tillie is interesting to me. I think grabbing a ball handler is higher up our priority list but the idea of having a bulls eye shooting big in our rotation sounds really nice. That type of player would compliment our team so well (and Giannis lol).

Tillie and Terry would be amazing weapons for Nurse to use but I think Terry is gone before 29 and Tillie before 59. I can live with Bane at 29 as he can guard 2 and 3 given his build, but we might have to settle for a guy like Malik Fitts at 59 unless Tillie's medicals are really bad. I might take Merrill or Pritchard at 59 or undrafted if we're interested in shooters.
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Post#2685 » by Dalek » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:55 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:
We live in a copy cat league but the Heat's success, and previously the Warriors', shows how effective it can be to have three point shooters who are constantly moving, rather than standing still and spitting up. Guys who can dribble and pass a bit, and shoot off the catch. That way you don't need a true facilitator or creator, a guy who can break down defenses, as the defense is always in chaos as it chases around two threats. Teams are forced to use a box and two or triangle and three (which not all teams are comfortable with) especially if those shooters are really dangerous. That's why guys like Terry, Bane, Joe, Pritchard, Flynn, Tillie, Ramsey, Howard, Merrill, could be attractive.

It feels like this video is screaming "TYRELL TERRY" at me. lol

I'm looking forward to Matt Thomas' promotion into the rotation next year. His shooting was absolutely brilliant this season. I think my favourite thing about him that has sold me is his defensive improvement over the season. He was so bad defensively at first (I had very little hope to be honest) but he kept improving and was not looking like a total liability in the bubble. He is a true professional. He's going to add a nice wrinkle to our offence.

I mentioned this before but Tillie is interesting to me. I think grabbing a ball handler is higher up our priority list but the idea of having a bulls eye shooting big in our rotation sounds really nice. That type of player would compliment our team so well (and Giannis lol).


Really like the video and see the value in shooting. The big takeaway from the video is that both these guys had super quick releases. So if we are considering the draft we have to look beyond raw numbers and at their form, too.

Terry and Joe both have that quick fire release. I am a little more nervous about Terry as PG since he doesn't create for himself and has few advanced moves down to create space.

I'd add Winston and Ty-Shon Alexander to any list of scorers/shooters. Both have great range. I am high on Winston because he can run the team.

One thing about Miami is they have Dragic as their creator. It is no shock that Kendrick Nunn got benched since he could not handle playmaking and is more of scorer/slasher.
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Post#2686 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:09 am

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casual_raps_fan wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:
We live in a copy cat league but the Heat's success, and previously the Warriors', shows how effective it can be to have three point shooters who are constantly moving, rather than standing still and spitting up. Guys who can dribble and pass a bit, and shoot off the catch. That way you don't need a true facilitator or creator, a guy who can break down defenses, as the defense is always in chaos as it chases around two threats. Teams are forced to use a box and two or triangle and three (which not all teams are comfortable with) especially if those shooters are really dangerous. That's why guys like Terry, Bane, Joe, Pritchard, Flynn, Tillie, Ramsey, Howard, Merrill, could be attractive.

It feels like this video is screaming "TYRELL TERRY" at me. lol

I'm looking forward to Matt Thomas' promotion into the rotation next year. His shooting was absolutely brilliant this season. I think my favourite thing about him that has sold me is his defensive improvement over the season. He was so bad defensively at first (I had very little hope to be honest) but he kept improving and was not looking like a total liability in the bubble. He is a true professional. He's going to add a nice wrinkle to our offence.

I mentioned this before but Tillie is interesting to me. I think grabbing a ball handler is higher up our priority list but the idea of having a bulls eye shooting big in our rotation sounds really nice. That type of player would compliment our team so well (and Giannis lol).


Really like the video and see the value in shooting. The big takeaway from the video is that both these guys had super quick releases. So if we are considering the draft we have to look beyond raw numbers and at their form, too.

Terry and Joe both have that quick fire release. I am a little more nervous about Terry as PG since he doesn't create for himself and has few advanced moves down to create space.

I'd add Winston and Ty-Shon Alexander to any list of scorers/shooters. Both have great range. I am high on Winston because he can run the team.

One thing about Miami is they have Dragic as their creator. It is no shock that Kendrick Nunn got benched since he could not handle playmaking and is more of scorer/slasher.

I don't have confidence in Fred being able to be that guy. Hopefully I'm wrong. :-?
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Post#2687 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:37 am

Goran Dragic is criminally underrated, and building like the Heat requires a lot more than just signing shooters who are always on the move. Jimmy Butler is no slouch, and Bam Adebayo is a certified monster.

I wish Masai had taken a flyer on Jimmy Butler when he asked out of Minny. Even though he chose Miami over Philly, I'd be willing to bet he would've re-signed here. Philly got him for Covington and a lot of mediocrity. With Butler I think we would've been a serious title contender, even without Kawhi (although he'd probably have re-signed if we had Butler).

Anyways, we need to get some more dogs on this team. Lowry's out there barking by himself. Our guys have heart, but they don't go for the jugular.
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Post#2688 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:57 am

I haven't been following the mock drafts the past couple of months but where are these guys slotted - Jalen Smith, Reggie Perry, and Paul Reed ?
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Post#2689 » by casual_raps_fan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:10 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:I haven't been following the mock drafts the past couple of months but where are these guys slotted - Jalen Smith, Reggie Perry, and Paul Reed ?

Jalen Smith late teens to early 20s. Reggie Perry, Paul Reed 2nd round.
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Post#2690 » by YelloC » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:22 am

Mark_83 wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:
We live in a copy cat league but the Heat's success, and previously the Warriors', shows how effective it can be to have three point shooters who are constantly moving, rather than standing still and spitting up. Guys who can dribble and pass a bit, and shoot off the catch. That way you don't need a true facilitator or creator, a guy who can break down defenses, as the defense is always in chaos as it chases around two threats. Teams are forced to use a box and two or triangle and three (which not all teams are comfortable with) especially if those shooters are really dangerous. That's why guys like Terry, Bane, Joe, Pritchard, Flynn, Tillie, Ramsey, Howard, Merrill, could be attractive.

It feels like this video is screaming "TYRELL TERRY" at me. lol

I'm looking forward to Matt Thomas' promotion into the rotation next year. His shooting was absolutely brilliant this season. I think my favourite thing about him that has sold me is his defensive improvement over the season. He was so bad defensively at first (I had very little hope to be honest) but he kept improving and was not looking like a total liability in the bubble. He is a true professional. He's going to add a nice wrinkle to our offence.

I mentioned this before but Tillie is interesting to me. I think grabbing a ball handler is higher up our priority list but the idea of having a bulls eye shooting big in our rotation sounds really nice. That type of player would compliment our team so well (and Giannis lol).

Tillie and Terry would be amazing weapons for Nurse to use but I think Terry is gone before 29 and Tillie before 59. I can live with Bane at 29 as he can guard 2 and 3 given his build, but we might have to settle for a guy like Malik Fitts at 59 unless Tillie's medicals are really bad. I might take Merrill or Pritchard at 59 or undrafted if we're interested in shooters.

Just based on draft write ups having never seen him play, Bane reminds me of a Raja Bell type player. He could be more T-Ross with more strength and less mobility.
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Post#2691 » by Psubs » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:22 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:I haven't been following the mock drafts the past couple of months but where are these guys slotted - Jalen Smith, Reggie Perry, and Paul Reed ?


Jalen Smith moved up. Reggie Perry and Paul Reed are options at #29.
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Post#2692 » by Mark_83 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:00 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Goran Dragic is criminally underrated, and building like the Heat requires a lot more than just signing shooters who are always on the move. Jimmy Butler is no slouch, and Bam Adebayo is a certified monster.

I wish Masai had taken a flyer on Jimmy Butler when he asked out of Minny. Even though he chose Miami over Philly, I'd be willing to bet he would've re-signed here. Philly got him for Covington and a lot of mediocrity. With Butler I think we would've been a serious title contender, even without Kawhi (although he'd probably have re-signed if we had Butler).

Anyways, we need to get some more dogs on this team. Lowry's out there barking by himself. Our guys have heart, but they don't go for the jugular.

Yup, I'd say he's arguably their most important player (though not their best player). On defense he can switch, protect the rim, and rebound and bring the ball up. He's the only guy I've seen that can physically guard Giannis in single coverage. On offense he's a great passer and screener, underrated ball handler, and elite rim runner. He's literally a three point shot away from being one of the most complete PFs in the league.

He is to the Heat what Draymond is to the Warriors. He stirs the whole drink. The closest thing we have that can be that kind of player is OG cause of his elite defense.
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Post#2693 » by jimmy keys » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:02 pm

Anyone mention Cassius Stanley, the 6'6 freshman guard out of Duke? Seems intriguing, he is an explosive athlete, can hit the three pretty consistently and has good looking shooting mechanics. I'm surprised he isn't being mentioned as he will most likely be available in the late 1st.

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Post#2694 » by Psubs » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:22 pm

jimmy keys wrote:Anyone mention Cassius Stanley, the 6'6 freshman guard out of Duke? Seems intriguing, he is an explosive athlete, can hit the three pretty consistently and has good looking shooting mechanics. I'm surprised he isn't being mentioned as he will most likely be available in the late 1st.



I mentioned him the most here as I'm a Duke fan.

Others have pointed out that he's an older freshman, that is more catch and shoot and doesn't create that much for others. He could develop like Derozan with a 3pt shot but who knows. He's an elite dunker like Lavine with a higher vertical (46") than Zion. He does take contact well in the lane and seems to have good 3/4 court speed. Though he might not be helpful right away in the playoffs when fast break points are at a premium (see Terence Davis unable to crack the playoff rotation).
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Post#2695 » by jimmy keys » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:35 pm

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jimmy keys wrote:Anyone mention Cassius Stanley, the 6'6 freshman guard out of Duke? Seems intriguing, he is an explosive athlete, can hit the three pretty consistently and has good looking shooting mechanics. I'm surprised he isn't being mentioned as he will most likely be available in the late 1st.



I mentioned him the most here as I'm a Duke fan.

Others have pointed out that he's an older freshman, that is more catch and shoot and doesn't create that much for others. He could develop like Derozan with a 3pt shot but who knows. He's an elite dunker like Lavine with a higher vertical (46") than Zion. He does take contact well in the lane and seems to have good 3/4 court speed. Though he might not be helpful right away in the playoffs when fast break points are at a premium (see Terence Davis unable to crack the playoff rotation).


So you're pretty high on him. That's good to hear. Trying to figure out why he's projected to drop so low. Is it just his age and the fact that he can't create his own shot? For a late pick he's intriguing.
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Post#2696 » by Dalek » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:39 pm

jimmy keys wrote:Anyone mention Cassius Stanley, the 6'6 freshman guard out of Duke? Seems intriguing, he is an explosive athlete, can hit the three pretty consistently and has good looking shooting mechanics. I'm surprised he isn't being mentioned as he will most likely be available in the late 1st.



I think he looks good in highlights, but he has a pretty forgettable season for a one and done. He took a low volume of threes (31 made 3s) and rarely created his own shot. He was basically a dunker which is fine, but at 21 YO he is a bit underdeveloped physically and seems like such a beta. To me, he should have been more like Corey Maggette. He had boring numbers at Duke but you could see that he could draw fouls. Even Demar showed more shot creation at USC.
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Post#2697 » by Psubs » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:43 pm

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jimmy keys wrote:Anyone mention Cassius Stanley, the 6'6 freshman guard out of Duke? Seems intriguing, he is an explosive athlete, can hit the three pretty consistently and has good looking shooting mechanics. I'm surprised he isn't being mentioned as he will most likely be available in the late 1st.



I mentioned him the most here as I'm a Duke fan.

Others have pointed out that he's an older freshman, that is more catch and shoot and doesn't create that much for others. He could develop like Derozan with a 3pt shot but who knows. He's an elite dunker like Lavine with a higher vertical (46") than Zion. He does take contact well in the lane and seems to have good 3/4 court speed. Though he might not be helpful right away in the playoffs when fast break points are at a premium (see Terence Davis unable to crack the playoff rotation).


So you're pretty high on him. That's good to hear. Trying to figure out why he's projected to drop so low. Is it just his age and the fact that he can't create his own shot? For a late pick he's intriguing.


I think he has a lot of upside. At worst he's Pat Connaughton with better handles. Oh many point out his wingspan being the same as his height, so not much potential to be above average on defense. Though there is Bane who is a senior who also has short arms but he makes excellent rotations from experience in college. Bane ran the offense at TCU so he could be used as a combo-guard like TD. Stanley says he can be like that but doesn't have the experience.

Other prospects do have better point of attack defensive skills. There's also a though that there are some good bigs to be had at #29.

Tyler Bey is less explosive but was defensive player of the year in his conference. There's just a lot of pretty good players in the draft.

Stanley ultimately could develop into Jaylen Brown.
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Post#2698 » by jimmy keys » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:51 pm

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I mentioned him the most here as I'm a Duke fan.

Others have pointed out that he's an older freshman, that is more catch and shoot and doesn't create that much for others. He could develop like Derozan with a 3pt shot but who knows. He's an elite dunker like Lavine with a higher vertical (46") than Zion. He does take contact well in the lane and seems to have good 3/4 court speed. Though he might not be helpful right away in the playoffs when fast break points are at a premium (see Terence Davis unable to crack the playoff rotation).


So you're pretty high on him. That's good to hear. Trying to figure out why he's projected to drop so low. Is it just his age and the fact that he can't create his own shot? For a late pick he's intriguing.


I think he has a lot of upside. At worst he's Pat Connaughton with better handles. Oh many point out his wingspan being the same as his height, so not much potential to be above average on defense. Though there is Bane who is a senior who also has short arms but he makes excellent rotations from experience in college. Bane ran the offense at TCU so he could be used as a combo-guard like TD. Stanley says he can be like that but doesn't have the experience.

Other prospects do have better point of attack defensive skills. There's also a though that there are some good bigs to be had at #29.

Tyler Bey is less explosive but was defensive player of the year in his conference. There's just a lot of pretty good players in the draft.

Stanley ultimately could develop into Jaylen Brown.


Why is he so old though? What happened there?
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Post#2699 » by Psubs » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:57 pm

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So you're pretty high on him. That's good to hear. Trying to figure out why he's projected to drop so low. Is it just his age and the fact that he can't create his own shot? For a late pick he's intriguing.


I think he has a lot of upside. At worst he's Pat Connaughton with better handles. Oh many point out his wingspan being the same as his height, so not much potential to be above average on defense. Though there is Bane who is a senior who also has short arms but he makes excellent rotations from experience in college. Bane ran the offense at TCU so he could be used as a combo-guard like TD. Stanley says he can be like that but doesn't have the experience.

Other prospects do have better point of attack defensive skills. There's also a though that there are some good bigs to be had at #29.

Tyler Bey is less explosive but was defensive player of the year in his conference. There's just a lot of pretty good players in the draft.

Stanley ultimately could develop into Jaylen Brown.


Why is he so old though? What happened there?


His birthday is August 18 so maybe started kindergarten after just turning 5. Also may have been held back a grade.
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Post#2700 » by DG88 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:18 pm

Looks like there will be a draft combine!

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/09/23/nba-announces-format-2020-draft-combine-official-release

NEW YORK -- The NBA announced today that NBA Draft Combine 2020 has been reformatted to be conducted both in NBA team markets and virtually, taking place in phases beginning Sept. 28 and continuing through early to mid-November. The reimagined Combine will continue to provide NBA teams with player evaluation opportunities during the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

“NBA Draft Combine is an essential part of the pre-draft evaluation process,” said Byron Spruell, President, NBA League Operations. “While the circumstances surrounding this Combine are unique, we’re excited to creatively deliver a valuable experience for our teams, who have remained flexible through the process, and for prospective draftees who are just beginning their NBA journeys.”


As part of the event’s innovative format, the NBA will incorporate HomeCourt, a mobile basketball training application that uses advanced machine learning and computer vision, to provide analytics and record the shooting evaluation portion of NBA Combine 2020 and for players to create a unique “Pro Day” video. The video, used to showcase a player’s skills, may feature only the individual player (and either a coach or trainer) and can be up to 45 minutes long. HomeCourt is developed by NEX Team, Inc., an NBA strategic partner.
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