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5 Ways to Improve the Offense

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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#61 » by Wannabe MEP » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:27 pm

Indeed wrote:Meanwhile, dismissing other analysis shows you are not trying see from others. Good luck, don't really want to response to you anymore.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612738&TeamID=1610612761&CF=MIN*G*5&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

You look at one lineup and just ignore the other evidence from the link you posted?? E.g. ...

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There were some good defensive moments, and offensive moments, with a Siakam-Ibaka frontcourt. Same with Siakam-Gasol. But the numbers on the whole are clear. With small sample size, there are quirky jumps in the data. The point of this thread is that the offense as a whole was not good enough. The sample size of 7 games showed that. That was almost exclusively with either Gasol or Ibaka on the court. Both of them had negative net ratings OVERALL, and particularly bad offensive ratings, even if you can find small samples otherwise. When we changed it up by going small and adding shooters, the Raptors were better at the game of basketball (but of course the sample is small for this, so we don't know what would have happened had they done more throughout the series). Because Nurse rarely went to it. He should have, because sticking to the same thing over and over again wasn't good enough.

Overall, when neither Ibaka nor Gasol were on the court (50 minutes), the Raptors were OffRtg 109.4 and DefRtg 97.9, so NetRtg +11.5. Maybe there were some weaker offensive stretches in there, and/or some weaker defensive stretches. But overall...
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#62 » by Wannabe MEP » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:42 pm

In game 7, defenses tightened (and/or offenses got nervous??). Here are the lineups that played at least five minutes:

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So both the offense and defense were better when we went small in game 7, even though a youtube video says the Raptors didn't have a rim protector :roll:
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#63 » by Wannabe MEP » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:40 am

nabbs wrote:I think one obvious way without roster changes is to just follow Miami's offensive model. We have the cutters to have that style of offense

Now Miami has had 3 games with a better offensive rating against the Celtics than the Raptors had in any of the 8 games against the Celtics in the bubble.

I don't really see a talent gap there. Miami has some offensive talent, sure, but we're not looking at a team built around superstars. The difference is that they went small -- one guy at 6'9" and nobody else taller than 6'7" in their main 7 guys playing right now -- and played shooters, even at the expense of defense -- e.g., Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro are getting a lot more minutes than Andre Iguodala.

Whereas we played three guys 6'9" or slower taller in our top 7, and left three of our best shooters on the bench.
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#64 » by execoftheyear » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:01 pm

I think we just need a taller Matt Thomas. Someone who can knock down shots at a reliable rate but is tall enough to get his shot off. Someone like a Doug McDermott, Davis Bertans or Joe Harris.
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#65 » by halifax » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:07 pm

as is the raptors are better than the Celtics, no bubble and a healthy siakam = east finals next year.
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#66 » by dalton749 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:05 pm

We need someone who is actually a threat to get to the basket and score. If nobody is capable of getting penetration the offense falls apart and relies on jacking up outside shots. It was the same issue with kawhi, he was just good enough to mitigate the problem.
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#67 » by VanWest82 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:26 pm

Have Kyle and Fred grow 3-4 inches.
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#68 » by VanWest82 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:28 pm

Siakam needs to improve. That's the main thing. Fred, Norm, and OG are all still trending up. Don't strike out in 2021 and the offense will get some help.
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Re: 5 Ways to Improve the Offense 

Post#69 » by Pointgod » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:39 pm

dalton749 wrote:We need someone who is actually a threat to get to the basket and score. If nobody is capable of getting penetration the offense falls apart and relies on jacking up outside shots. It was the same issue with kawhi, he was just good enough to mitigate the problem.


We need our own Tyler Herro.

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