Around the NBA - playoff bubble continued

[Chanel Bomber]

Somebody check on Chanel

Missed the second half. I call that a wise decision.

Lol
Refs were terrible but Jokic was a no show... he needs to step it up

100%

[3toheadmelo]

15 NBA talent evaluators including 4 GM’s, 6 executives and 5 scouts did a poll of the best young talent in the NBA

1. Luka Doncic
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Devin Booker
4. Ja Morant
5. Donovan Mitchell
5. Bam Adabayo
7. Jamal Murray
7. Zion Williamson
9. Ben Simmons
9. Brandon Ingram
11. Jaylen Brown
11. De'Aaron Fox
13. KAT

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-execs-poll-luka-doncic-top-young-talent-zion-williamson/

I got:

1. Zion
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. Book
5. Tatum/Murray

I don't think I can put Zion in my top 5. He honestly just looks like a better scoring Julius Randle.

He's another one of those guys who were supposed to be great defensively coming out of college and has completely disappeared on that end in the league. He might just be another KAT if he doesn't lose weight and play better d

[HEZI]

15 NBA talent evaluators including 4 GM’s, 6 executives and 5 scouts did a poll of the best young talent in the NBA

1. Luka Doncic
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Devin Booker
4. Ja Morant
5. Donovan Mitchell
5. Bam Adabayo
7. Jamal Murray
7. Zion Williamson
9. Ben Simmons
9. Brandon Ingram
11. Jaylen Brown
11. De'Aaron Fox
13. KAT

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-execs-poll-luka-doncic-top-young-talent-zion-williamson/

I got:

1. Zion
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. Book
5. Tatum/Murray

I don't think I can put Zion in my top 5. He honestly just looks like a better scoring Julius Randle.

He's another one of those guys who were supposed to be great defensively coming out of college and has completely disappeared on that end in the league. He might just be another KAT if he doesn't lose weight and play better d

That looks like the irl version of Nuggets vs. Pacers in last nights 2k game

[HEZI]

I agree about Zion though, I don't think I could commit to building around him honestly. He's small, out of shape and his jumper looks awkward. He can be a piece of the puzzle but to say I would feel comfortable building around him I just can't.

[mpharris36]

Neither can Jokic and he's in the conference finals

KAT is a monster offensively his team has just sucked for a long time. Similar to KP and AD his franchise has failed to properly build around him.

he is a monster offensively a Jokic defense is a liability as well. I think Jokic ability to be a playmaker is just so far an beyond any big that it makes up for his lack of defense. KAT is not a bad passer but he's also no Joker.

Jokic passing doesnt make up for his terrible defense. He's far worse than KAT defensively

im not sure about that. Jokic and KAT seem equally atrocious defensively.

[Chanel Bomber]

15 NBA talent evaluators including 4 GM’s, 6 executives and 5 scouts did a poll of the best young talent in the NBA

1. Luka Doncic
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Devin Booker
4. Ja Morant
5. Donovan Mitchell
5. Bam Adabayo
7. Jamal Murray
7. Zion Williamson
9. Ben Simmons
9. Brandon Ingram
11. Jaylen Brown
11. De'Aaron Fox
13. KAT

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-execs-poll-luka-doncic-top-young-talent-zion-williamson/

I got:

1. Zion
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. Book
5. Tatum/Murray

I don't think I can put Zion in my top 5. He honestly just looks like a better scoring Julius Randle.

He's another one of those guys who were supposed to be great defensively coming out of college and has completely disappeared on that end in the league. He might just be another KAT if he doesn't lose weight and play better d

When he does he will be the most unstoppable PNR player in the NBA imo. As a roll man, with his speed, strength, explosiveness, ability to finish and also the vision to pass to open shooters, he’ll be absolutely scary if you give him a guard who can pull up from three. I think the defense will come around.

It’s just a bummer he plays in New Orleans for a franchise with 0 history and a non-existent fanbase. He needs to get out of there quick. New Orleans killed the hype.

[HEZI]

he is a monster offensively a Jokic defense is a liability as well. I think Jokic ability to be a playmaker is just so far an beyond any big that it makes up for his lack of defense. KAT is not a bad passer but he's also no Joker.

Jokic passing doesnt make up for his terrible defense. He's far worse than KAT defensively

im not sure about that. Jokic and KAT seem equally atrocious defensively.

Except KAT can actually provide some rim protection. Jokic is glued to the floor

[3toheadmelo]

I got:

1. Zion
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. Book
5. Tatum/Murray

I don't think I can put Zion in my top 5. He honestly just looks like a better scoring Julius Randle.

He's another one of those guys who were supposed to be great defensively coming out of college and has completely disappeared on that end in the league. He might just be another KAT if he doesn't lose weight and play better d

When he does he will be the most unstoppable PNR player in the NBA imo. As a roll man, with his speed, strength, explosiveness, ability to finish and also the vision to pass to open shooters, he’ll be absolutely scary if you give him a guard who can pull up from three. I think the defense will come around.

It’s just a bummer he plays in New Orleans for a franchise with 0 history and a non-existent fanbase. He needs to get out of there quick. New Orleans killed the hype.

It’s a big if if he loses weight and plays defense though. But yes, if that happens then absolutely he’ll be unstoppable. I really liked him out of college so it’s disappointing to see where he is right now. He’s young though so he has plenty of time to improve.

[Gravy]

15 NBA talent evaluators including 4 GM’s, 6 executives and 5 scouts did a poll of the best young talent in the NBA

1. Luka Doncic
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Devin Booker
4. Ja Morant
5. Donovan Mitchell
5. Bam Adabayo
7. Jamal Murray
7. Zion Williamson
9. Ben Simmons
9. Brandon Ingram
11. Jaylen Brown
11. De'Aaron Fox
13. KAT

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-execs-poll-luka-doncic-top-young-talent-zion-williamson/

The Western Conference has like 70 percent of that list...crazy

[DOT]

I mean, limited sample size yada yada, but:

Pelicans offense w/out Zion: t-18th
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: 7th

Pelicans defense w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: t-5th

Pelicans net w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans net w/ Zion: 6th

Had a hell of an impact when he was out there, and he was still a teenager until the bubble started

Long term issues will be if he can manage his weight and stay healthy, but he is a great player already.

[3toheadmelo]

I mean, limited sample size yada yada, but:

Pelicans offense w/out Zion: t-18th
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: 7th

Pelicans defense w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: t-5th

Pelicans net w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans net w/ Zion: 6th

Had a hell of an impact when he was out there, and he was still a teenager until the bubble started

Long term issues will be if he can manage his weight and stay healthy, but he is a great player already.

New Orleans is 30 points per 100 possessions worse on defense in the bubble when Williamson has played. Teams score better than the Stephen Curry-Kevin Durant Warriors when he's out there.

[Zenzibar]

15 NBA talent evaluators including 4 GM’s, 6 executives and 5 scouts did a poll of the best young talent in the NBA

1. Luka Doncic
2. Jayson Tatum
3. Devin Booker
4. Ja Morant
5. Donovan Mitchell
5. Bam Adabayo
7. Jamal Murray
7. Zion Williamson
9. Ben Simmons
9. Brandon Ingram
11. Jaylen Brown
11. De'Aaron Fox
13. KAT

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-execs-poll-luka-doncic-top-young-talent-zion-williamson/

Welcome to N.Y. KP.

[Chanel Bomber]

I mean, limited sample size yada yada, but:

Pelicans offense w/out Zion: t-18th
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: 7th

Pelicans defense w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: t-5th

Pelicans net w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans net w/ Zion: 6th

Had a hell of an impact when he was out there, and he was still a teenager until the bubble started

Long term issues will be if he can manage his weight and stay healthy, but he is a great player already.

There’s a visual experience to Luka’s game where you get mesmerized by the esthetic. He’s a great young player regardless.

But I think in terms of raw impact - with his gravity in the P&R, his base scoring efficiency which is absurd, and the potential on defense - Zion will blow Luka out the water.

The NBA isn’t ready for an in-shape Zion. The only question is will he ever get in shape.

[nedleeds]

Yet he was still considered the leader of that duke team by your boy zion, was able to play multiple positions and could score at will, but sure isaiah keep chasing the dude who can shoot and not much else cuz he had (in your definition) a good playoff, see how far that gets you. Oh wait, there' plenty of proof where that gets you. Since thats pretty much what we've been doing in prior years

RJ scored at will at Duke? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH is he your nephew? I think you mean he chucked at will. All while having a gravity well in Zion to make his life easier on offense (if he could shoot).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/rj-barrett-1.html#players_per_game::none

He shot 30% from college 3. A blistering 66% from the line. While chucking his team out of the tourney he managed a 4/3 assist to turnover ratio on his way to going further and further left.

I guess he was the leader, what in the world *again* does that have to do with shooting the ball? Nobody here debates his great attitude and apparent willingness to work. He can't, and never has, been able to shoot at even an average level.

[nedleeds]

I mean, limited sample size yada yada, but:

Pelicans offense w/out Zion: t-18th
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: 7th

Pelicans defense w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: t-5th

Pelicans net w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans net w/ Zion: 6th

Had a hell of an impact when he was out there, and he was still a teenager until the bubble started

Long term issues will be if he can manage his weight and stay healthy, but he is a great player already.

There’s a visual experience to Luka’s game where you get mesmerized by the esthetic. He’s a great young player regardless.

But I think in terms of raw impact - with his gravity in the P&R, his base scoring efficiency which is absurd, and the potential on defense - Zion will blow Luka out the water.

The NBA isn’t ready for an in-shape Zion. The only question is will he ever get in shape.

At center. Or paired with a true bomber at the 4 ... like KP. As a power forward who can't beat Kurt Thomas at horse he'll be limited.

[DOT]

I mean, limited sample size yada yada, but:

Pelicans offense w/out Zion: t-18th
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: 7th

Pelicans defense w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: t-5th

Pelicans net w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans net w/ Zion: 6th

Had a hell of an impact when he was out there, and he was still a teenager until the bubble started

Long term issues will be if he can manage his weight and stay healthy, but he is a great player already.

New Orleans is 30 points per 100 possessions worse on defense in the bubble when Williamson has played. Teams score better than the Stephen Curry-Kevin Durant Warriors when he's out there.

Stats I posted included bubble games

So that's how great he was in the 19 games before the bubble that they were still top 10 on both ends even with how bad he was for 5 games at the end

Won't know til next year though.

[3toheadmelo]

I mean, limited sample size yada yada, but:

Pelicans offense w/out Zion: t-18th
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: 7th

Pelicans defense w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans offense w/ Zion: t-5th

Pelicans net w/out Zion: 21st
Pelicans net w/ Zion: 6th

Had a hell of an impact when he was out there, and he was still a teenager until the bubble started

Long term issues will be if he can manage his weight and stay healthy, but he is a great player already.

New Orleans is 30 points per 100 possessions worse on defense in the bubble when Williamson has played. Teams score better than the Stephen Curry-Kevin Durant Warriors when he's out there.

Stats I posted included bubble games

So that's how great he was in the 19 games before the bubble that they were still top 10 on both ends even with how bad he was for 5 games at the end

Won't know til next year though.

I think he regressed heavily in the bubble. Let’s hope he gets it together. I think he’s fun to watch when he’s at his best

[HEZI]

Stats I posted included bubble games

So that's how great he was in the 19 games before the bubble that they were still top 10 on both ends even with how bad he was for 5 games at the end

Won't know til next year though.

I think he regressed heavily in the bubble. Let’s hope he gets it together. I think he’s fun to watch when he’s at his best

He came into the bubble looking like E40

But yeah he can me electric and he's truly a unique player but there are significant concerns about him that would make me cautious about building around him. There have been doctors that have said his career won't last long if he continues playing at his weight. He is way too reliant on athleticism that one bad injury could end his career.

[3toheadmelo]

Stats I posted included bubble games

So that's how great he was in the 19 games before the bubble that they were still top 10 on both ends even with how bad he was for 5 games at the end

Won't know til next year though.

I think he regressed heavily in the bubble. Let’s hope he gets it together. I think he’s fun to watch when he’s at his best

He came into the bubble looking like E40

But yeah he can me electric and he's truly a unique player but there are significant concerns about him that would make me cautious about building around him. There have been doctors that have said his career won't last long if he continues playing at his weight. He is way too reliant on athleticism that one bad injury could end his career.

Yep.. read what this doctor said about him

Read on Twitter

So Zion is important and not just for the sake of the New Orleans Pelicans. The big question hanging over the league is whether he’s capable of shouldering it all. Dr. Brian Sutterer, of sports injury YouTube fame, has been watching intently and has his concerns. “He’s in a race against his own body,” Dr. Sutterer said over the phone. “If you go watch his Duke highlights compared to now, the difference is profound. In my opinion, his athleticism and conditioning have regressed substantially. He’s less explosive, less conditioned, slower on defense, has already had a portion of his meniscus removed from his knee after an injury, and he’s still under close monitoring from the medical staff.”

Through all the immediate Twitter buzz over Zion’s run, Dr. Sutterer sees a troubling long term trend. “I feel like nobody really wants to call it like we all see it,” Dr. Sutterer said. “He’s trying to reverse a career trajectory that by the Pelicans’ own admission is worrisome as evidenced by his ‘reprogramming’ and scrutinized minutes. He had four months to start making positive strides and to me he’s regressed more. When will he finally start to reverse course? Will it be in time before more substantial fitness concerns and injuries limit him and threaten his career? Instead of outpacing these risks, I’m worried that Zion is losing the race.”

[iLLmatic860]

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Demps demoted from GM to become assistant head coach ouch lol

Ayy atleast we got Johnie Bryant from Jazz. Seems like a better coach but maybe demps aint as bad of an coach as he is gm