Trade Ideas Thread

[CelticsPride18]

Speaking of hot takes; if Kemba misses the beginning of the season recovering from a poorly speculated knee surgery, I would try to trade Hayward and Kanter [and picks] for CP3.

I'm not all that opposed to this even if Kemba is healthy. It's unconventional but it's a definite talent upgrade. CP3 played next to Schroeder all year so it's not like he couldn't play next to Kemba. That has limitations for sure but are there really that many teams where it can't work?

Against PHI Kemba can guard Shake and I trust CP3 on JRich
Against MIL you have Kemba on Bledsoe and CP3 on Wes Matthews
Against MIA CP3 on Dragic and Kemba on Robinson
TOR plays with 2 PGs so it's not an issue
I'm fine with CP3 on Oladipo if we play IND.

I know it's undersized but I don't see too many of these mammoth SGs to worry about. I know we're giving up size but I don't think we're severely overmatched in any matchup really. The issue is it gives us a second small guy for teams to attack in switches but you can scheme for that.

Hayward for CP3 would just be taking advantage of a team willing to give us a big talent upgrade for money reasons. And CP3's deal would expire before repeater rates anyway.

Other big advantage of this: CP3 is great friends with PJ Tucker. We should be doing EVERYTHING in our power to sign him this offseason. He would be perfect here

Paying around 75M on aging PG’s is not a good idea. Also PJ Tucker is not a FA.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I'm not all that opposed to this even if Kemba is healthy. It's unconventional but it's a definite talent upgrade. CP3 played next to Schroeder all year so it's not like he couldn't play next to Kemba. That has limitations for sure but are there really that many teams where it can't work?

Against PHI Kemba can guard Shake and I trust CP3 on JRich
Against MIL you have Kemba on Bledsoe and CP3 on Wes Matthews
Against MIA CP3 on Dragic and Kemba on Robinson
TOR plays with 2 PGs so it's not an issue
I'm fine with CP3 on Oladipo if we play IND.

I know it's undersized but I don't see too many of these mammoth SGs to worry about. I know we're giving up size but I don't think we're severely overmatched in any matchup really. The issue is it gives us a second small guy for teams to attack in switches but you can scheme for that.

Hayward for CP3 would just be taking advantage of a team willing to give us a big talent upgrade for money reasons. And CP3's deal would expire before repeater rates anyway.

Other big advantage of this: CP3 is great friends with PJ Tucker. We should be doing EVERYTHING in our power to sign him this offseason. He would be perfect here

Paying around 75M on aging PG’s is not a good idea. Also PJ Tucker is not a FA.

Damn on PJ; if Tilman goes into cost savings mode we need to get him.

[darylbe]

I get it, Kemba is a likeable guy, kyrie was a monster.
Kemba almost blew the toronto series, and he needs to be hidden on defense.
Neither Kyrie's drama nor Kemba's contagious smile got us the the ECF. Tatum and Brown and their growth did that... Not Kyrie, not Kemba.
And to say "trading kemba in his first year isn't a good look" screw that. Players know what's up and what we are trying to accomplish. They know the team, they know the group of guys, the coach. but at the end of the day, Money is what matters, bottom line, as we've seen horford follow the biggest contract.

I personally think the money could be better used elsewhere, and I think it's a joke that 68 million dollars in contracts were non factors in the playoffs. but i know we are stuck with the same bull next year.

[BK_2020]

Guys do you think Philly will give us Ben Simmons for Kemba and all our picks this year?

[Curmudgeon]

Guys do you think Philly will give us Ben Simmons for Kemba and all our picks this year?

Who knows? I'm guessing that if they hire Pringles they will move Embiid, not Simmons.

[akhan786]

I would love to enter next season with

Jrue/CP3
Brown
Smart
Tatum
Turner

[100proof]

I think I'm in the trade Hayward boat *if* he wants to go home to Indiana or go elsewhere. It just doesn't feel right to trade him after he sacrificed staying in the bubble to help the team, but if he is on board with it, Ainge should be calling teams up.

I'm sure Gordon is thinking about it as well - how his stint with the Celtics has not worked out for both sides and how a change in scenery could revitalize his career.

If it is to the Pacers, Myles Turner or Sabonis should be the main piece coming back.

If it's OKC, I'm on board with either Adams/Schroeder or CP3.

I am liking the CP3 idea more and more, but I cannot come to terms with it making sense to have 2 PGs making a combined 75 million.

I dont see how it works. I guess Maybe you play a 2pg lineup sort of like Toronto does, but Toronto has a pitbull as one of those 2.

Speaking of which lowry would be an awesome fit on this team.

[BK_2020]

Hayward or Kemba for Lowry.

[100proof]

Hayward or Kemba for Lowry.

That would be brilliant, but I cannot see why Toronto would go for that.

[greenroom31]

Crazy high-risk trade idea:

Boston trades Kemba and Hayward (after he exercises his $34M option for next year)
Washington trades Wall and Beal

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7322630

Why for Boston? To get Beal and unite him with his STL bestie Tatum for years to come. Also, with Beal and Wall's size you could reasonably play a lineup of Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum/Theis (for now) with Smart as 6th man and Kanter/RW3/Grant as 7th and 8th men. Still need shooting and development from RW3 and Grant, but IF Wall can actually stay healthy, Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum is a problem. Wall says he's healthy FWIW: https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/26/john-wall-washington-wizards-healthy

Why NOT for Boston? Wall's health risk and albatross contract combined with his poor shooting. He has played 73 games in the past 3 seasons, including 0 in 2019-20. Wall is set to make $44M in 2021-22 and $47M in 2022-23. Absolutely brutal.

Why for Washington? To get rid of Wall's contract. Kemba is the same age as Wall, is healthy by comparison, and makes ~$10M less than Wall annually. Losing Beal would suck, but with Wall and Beal accounting for ~$80M annually on the salary cap, how do you realistically build a competitor? Might as well embrace the rebuild with a good teammate in Kemba and a guy in Hayward who will be motivated to play for a contract (somewhere else).

Why NOT for Washington? Because they're dumb and will cling to the hope that Wall and Beal can magically do more than make the playoffs and lose in the first round.

I also like the idea of trying to get Thomas Bryant in this deal by adding picks, etc.

[100proof]

Hayward and 14 to Memphis

Jonas V and Romeo Langford to Indy

Myles Turner and filler from Memphis to Boston (would like to gamble on Winslow here but I doubt they trade him, so maybe Anderson or Brooks? Dont know how attached they are to players on their team)

Indy get a country man of Sabonis who can be a physical presence for him. They already know how to play together.

Memphis gets a lotto pick and sheds some longterm salary. Adds a good vet at a position of need to mentor the youth for a season.

Boston gets their bigman plus winslow? and also cap savings.

Kemba/Smart
Brown/
Tatum/
Winslow/Theis/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Williams

[BK_2020]

Why not just break Hayward's ankles again then we'll have our own version of Wall and Beal.

[100proof]

Crazy high-risk trade idea:

Boston trades Kemba and Hayward (after he exercises his $34M option for next year)
Washington trades Wall and Beal

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7322630

Why for Boston? To get Beal and unite him with his STL bestie Tatum for years to come. Also, with Beal and Wall's size you could reasonably play a lineup of Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum/Theis (for now) with Smart as 6th man and Kanter/RW3/Grant as 7th and 8th men. Still need shooting and development from RW3 and Grant, but IF Wall can actually stay healthy, Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum is a problem. Wall says he's healthy FWIW: https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/26/john-wall-washington-wizards-healthy

Why NOT for Boston? Wall's health risk and albatross contract combined with his poor shooting. He has played 73 games in the past 3 seasons, including 0 in 2019-20. Wall is set to make $44M in 2021-22 and $47M in 2022-23. Absolutely brutal.

Why for Washington? To get rid of Wall's contract. Kemba is the same age as Wall, is healthy by comparison, and makes ~$10M less than Wall annually. Losing Beal would suck, but with Wall and Beal accounting for ~$80M annually on the salary cap, how do you realistically build a competitor? Might as well embrace the rebuild with a good teammate in Kemba and a guy in Hayward who will be motivated to play for a contract (somewhere else).

Why NOT for Washington? Because they're dumb and will cling to the hope that Wall and Beal can magically do more than make the playoffs and lose in the first round.

I also like the idea of trying to get Thomas Bryant in this deal by adding picks, etc.

I dig it.

Having Smart allows for team to gamble a bit on Walls injury imo.

Smart
Beal
Brown
Tatum
Theis

Beal playmaking works well beside Smart.

[ddb]

Hayward to Indy via trade with Boston has legs. Hayward/Theis. or Hayward/Kanter/Picks for Turner/Warren

[GoCeltics123]

Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Turner is barely an upgrade over Theis, if at all. He shot 45% from the field this year as a big, that's just awful.

Getting him isn't worth it. He's just not that good.

[TheMartian]

Hayward to Indy via trade with Boston has legs. Hayward/Theis. or Hayward/Kanter/Picks for Turner/Warren

Intriguing. Do you think Indy will let go of Warren?

[BK_2020]

Agreed on Turner, he's mediocre and makes three times the salary Theis makes. There's no center upgrades over Theis and Timelord that's worth the salary or assets.
What BOS need more than anything is a playmaker who can recognize defenses, call out plays, organize guys, and make sure Smart doesn't do anything dumb. They need CP3.

[AgentGreen]

Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Turner is barely an upgrade over Theis, if at all. He shot 45% from the field this year as a big, that's just awful.

Getting him isn't worth it. He's just not that good.

He's a better defender than Theiss and Brad will make him look even better. Plus Warren in that deal is a big bonus, but the way he played in the bubble, i dont see the Pacers putting him in that deal as well.

[GoCeltics123]

Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Turner is barely an upgrade over Theis, if at all. He shot 45% from the field this year as a big, that's just awful.

Getting him isn't worth it. He's just not that good.

He's a better defender than Theiss and Brad will make him look even better. Plus Warren in that deal is a big bonus, but the way he played in the bubble, i dont see the Pacers putting him in that deal as well.

Is he though? He's probably better against Bam because of his size, but Embiid has lit him up consistently, and to be honest, he's not a very good offensive player. He can shoot, yes, but not that well. He's basically Horford without the playmaking ability and is a worse shooter.

Warren is a pretty good player, good scorer, but I don't like his fit with Brown/Tatum at all. He's not a very good defender and can only score, he's not a playmaker at all.

[MagicBagley18]

I just don’t see the Hayward to Indy thing.....Turner is a sexy name but he has never improved to the level many thought he would. I guess a new system and Brad is the sell on this? I guess people are connecting the dots bc Hayward’s connection to the state and our rumored interest in turner a year ago.....