Trade Ideas Thread

Disinformation · Post #1821 » by **Disinformation** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:13 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
Disinformation wrote:

Yeah yeah, this draft sucks...just like every draft does. And yet every year, GMs hold on to these picks as they approach the draft like they're hording gold.

Who was the last player traded (with or without a draft pick added) prior to or on draft night for a pick anywhere near as high as #4?

Because draft picks are really valuable until a player is picked using them.

Ray Allen comes to mind. He was about to turn 32 years old, and recuperating from surgery on both ankles. The pick was in a weak draft; the only two future all-stars available at #5 were Joakim Noah and Marc Gasol. (That said, the top two picks were locked in stone as Oden/Durant in some order, and #3/4 turned out to be Al Horford and Mike Conley.)

That's not a bad one. 12 years ago, but it still very similar. I'll admit that I was surprised Ray went for #5 at the time. Maybe I'll be surprised that Hayward gets us to #4...but I doubt it.

Anyway, I've said my piece on the matter. I hope I'm wrong and we get lots if he's traded. But I can already see the thread where people complain about how little Danny got for him.

big-shot-ROB · Post #1822 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:18 pm

This might be a crazy trade but is:

GSW out: #2
GSW in: Smart, #14, #30 and other picks.

OKC in: Kemba, #2
OKC out: Chris Paul

BOS out: Kemba, Smart, #14, #30
BOS in: Chris Paul

really far fetched? Should we try add a little value somewhere? Does GSW like that? Are we adding too much picks and value for just Paul and his horrible contract?

Fencer reregistered · Post #1823 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:24 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:This might be a crazy trade but is:

GSW out: #2
GSW in: Smart, #14, #30 and other picks.

OKC in: Kemba, #2
OKC out: Chris Paul

BOS out: Kemba, Smart, #14, #30
BOS in: Chris Paul

really far fetched? Should we try add a little value somewhere? Does GSW like that? Are we adding too much picks and value for just Paul and his horrible contract?

Horrific deal for us, IMO.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1824 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:25 pm

Disinformation wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
Because draft picks are really valuable until a player is picked using them.

Ray Allen comes to mind. He was about to turn 32 years old, and recuperating from surgery on both ankles. The pick was in a weak draft; the only two future all-stars available at #5 were Joakim Noah and Marc Gasol. (That said, the top two picks were locked in stone as Oden/Durant in some order, and #3/4 turned out to be Al Horford and Mike Conley.)

That's not a bad one. 12 years ago, but it still very similar. I'll admit that I was surprised Ray went for #5 at the time. Maybe I'll be surprised that Hayward gets us to #4...but I doubt it.

Anyway, I've said my piece on the matter. I hope I'm wrong and we get lots if he's traded. But I can already see the thread where people complain about how little Danny got for him.

In fairness, it was the cost of getting KG to agree to re-sign after we traded for him. So it was a bit like the Clippers' acquisition of Paul George. The overpay was less dramatic, but we were also trading a lot of assets for Garnett rather than getting him for free as a FA.

100proof · Post #1825 » by **100proof** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:26 pm

Disinformation wrote:
100proof wrote:
Disinformation wrote:
None of that addresses the fact that Hayward doesn't have the trade value to move up from 14 to 4.

really?

you value the difference in #14 and #4 in this draft being worth MORE than swapping out Sato (9 and 5 on poor percentages), Young (32year old 5th big) and Felicio(Pure garbage) for an allstar calibre player?

big-shot-ROB wrote:This draft sucks. Hayward comitting to a team after next year even exceeds the value between 4 and 14, specially for teams such as Minnesota, GSW, Chicago, etc.

Yeah yeah, this draft sucks...just like every draft does. And yet every year, GMs hold on to these picks as they approach the draft like they're hording gold.

Who was the last player traded (with or without a draft pick added) prior to or on draft night for a pick anywhere near as high as #4?

Off the top of my head
Ray Allen
Antonio McDyess
Kevin Mchale (#3) for Parish and #13

big-shot-ROB · Post #1826 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:28 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:This might be a crazy trade but is:

GSW out: #2
GSW in: Smart, #14, #30 and other picks.

OKC in: Kemba, #2
OKC out: Chris Paul

BOS out: Kemba, Smart, #14, #30
BOS in: Chris Paul

really far fetched? Should we try add a little value somewhere? Does GSW like that? Are we adding too much picks and value for just Paul and his horrible contract?

Horrific deal for us, IMO.

Yeah, that might have been crazy. I'm just looking for ways to swap Kemba for Chris Paul.

100proof · Post #1827 » by **100proof** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:31 pm

Disinformation wrote:
Bleeding Green wrote:Kevin Love was traded for the #1 pick. AD was traded for the #4 pick last year. That the trade happened after the draft doesn't really seem to matter. Ray Allen for #5. Jimmy Butler for #7.

Good answers. I hadn't thought about the AD trade because it involved so much. But the Butler trade is a great comparison because it's very similar to what's being talked about with Hayward and the 14th. But let me ask you this:

Do you really think a 30 year old, post-significant injury, coming off another injury Hayward has the same value as 2017 28-year old Jimmy Butler coming off 3 straight All-Star Games and a 3rd Team All-Pro nod?

Thre was more to that trade than just Butler for #7.

It was Butler and #16 for Zach Lavine, Kris Dunn and #7.

So While butler carried more value, he also returned Dunn (#5 pick 1 year prior) and Lavine who was at the time super prospect who at the age of 20 was putting up 18, 4 and 4 per 100 possessions.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1828 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:43 pm

Nothing to do with us...

Read on Twitter

Curmudgeon · Post #1829 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:46 pm

Jrue is a nice player, but if you really want to win now, get Lowry instead.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1830 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:59 pm

DEN gets Jrue Holiday
NOP gets Gordon Hayward, Michael Porter, Jr.
BOS gets Will Barton, JJ Redick

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Curmudgeon · Post #1831 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:13 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:DEN gets Jrue Holiday
NOP gets Gordon Hayward, Michael Porter, Jr.
BOS gets Will Barton, JJ Redick

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't think Michael Porter Jr. is going anywhere. If he is, I'll take Porter and Redick and NO can have Barton.

100proof · Post #1832 » by **100proof** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:19 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Nothing to do with us...

Read on Twitter

Personally, I think that Hayward would be really good for the Pelicans as well.

Just sayin.

Hayward +? to Pelicans

Jrue to Denver

Harris and MPJ to Boston

Festurs · Post #1833 » by **Festurs** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:19 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:This might be a crazy trade but is:

GSW out: #2
GSW in: Smart, #14, #30 and other picks.

OKC in: Kemba, #2
OKC out: Chris Paul

BOS out: Kemba, Smart, #14, #30
BOS in: Chris Paul

really far fetched? Should we try add a little value somewhere? Does GSW like that? Are we adding too much picks and value for just Paul and his horrible contract?

Kemba walker is better than Chris Paul.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1834 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:21 pm

100proof wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Nothing to do with us...

Read on Twitter

Personally, I think that Hayward would be really good for the Pelicans as well.

Just sayin.

Hayward +? to Pelicans

Jrue to Denver

Harris and MPJ to Boston

MPJ would be the prize here and the main reason why Pelicans would give up Jrue.

100proof · Post #1835 » by **100proof** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:23 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
100proof wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Nothing to do with us...

Read on Twitter

Personally, I think that Hayward would be really good for the Pelicans as well.

Just sayin.

Hayward +? to Pelicans

Jrue to Denver

Harris and MPJ to Boston

MPJ would be the prize here and the main reason why Pelicans would give up Jrue.

Maybe...

That why I think we would have to give up more. Honestly not sure even if MPJ fits on this team.

Ernest · Post #1836 » by **Ernest** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:53 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:This might be a crazy trade but is:

GSW out: #2
GSW in: Smart, #14, #30 and other picks.

OKC in: Kemba, #2
OKC out: Chris Paul

BOS out: Kemba, Smart, #14, #30
BOS in: Chris Paul

really far fetched? Should we try add a little value somewhere? Does GSW like that? Are we adding too much picks and value for just Paul and his horrible contract?

In al seriousness check your house for a gas leak.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1837 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:37 pm

100proof wrote:Kevin Mchale (#3) for Parish and #13

That's not at all how that trade went.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1838 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:41 pm

And of course, the haul Paul George pulled in was so massive it would be valued like a super-high pick or more.

That's less true in the case of Pierce/Garnett, notwithstanding how the deal actually turned out.

playa-hater · Post #1839 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 9:35 pm

Gordon hayward is NOT GOING any where.. for a few reasons, but ONE reason not mentioned at all is, Ainge may want to keep him for one more year, then his 34 million dollar salary comes off the books for a BIG FA class in 2021, leading with Giannis. Not saying Giannis will be the main and only target, but damn good start IMO. meanwhile any trade of GH for a player with more years on contract eliminates us from the FA frenzy of 2021.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1840 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Oct 2, 2020 9:45 pm

playa-hater wrote:Gordon hayward is NOT GOING any where.. for a few reasons, but ONE reason not mentioned at all is, Ainge may want to keep him for one more year, then his 34 million dollar salary comes off the books for a BIG FA class in 2021, leading with Giannis. Not saying Giannis will be the main and only target, but damn good start IMO. meanwhile any trade of GH for a player with more years on contract eliminates us from the FA frenzy of 2021.

It doesn't work that way. Even with Hayward off the books, we'd still be over the cap. Between our top 4 guys alone, we'd have $108M in salary.

We're not expected to have cap space for the foreseeable future. Earliest could be 2023 if none of Hayward, Kemba, and Smart are re-signed.