Did we give up on Cameron Payne too early?

Post #41 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:50 pm

Just seeing his name in a thread title on the Bulls page gives me anxiety.

Hold That · Post #42 » by **Hold That** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:06 am

No we did not. We never had the right coaches in place to develop him. And he likely mentally wasn’t in a place to perform at the level he’s playing.

When your career is in jeopardy it’s funny how some players can make that rapid change.

Onibuh · Post #43 » by **Onibuh** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:28 am

Payne? No.

erlim · Post #44 » by **erlim** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:49 am

Look, good on Campayne for keeping his NBA dream alive, but no. No we did not give up on him too early. He looked entirely horrible his whole time here. I don't know how much time you needed to give that bumbling idiot a chance.

kyrv · Post #45 » by **kyrv** » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:01 am

Wow. Thread titles I'd never thought I would see. Fans gave up on Payne, as a consensus, after about five minutes. If that's too soon, then yes we did.

FranchisePlayer · Post #46 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 7:29 pm

We gave up a HOFamer too soon...

Read on Twitter

kodo · Post #47 » by **kodo** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 7:37 pm

Is Cam Payne a HOFer and Ja Morant not? That's ironic.

Post #48 » by **Michael Jackson** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 12:05 am

kodo wrote:Is Cam Payne a HOFer and Ja Morant not? That's ironic.

Think there is a time period that has to pass for HOF

Clint Eastwood · Post #49 » by **Clint Eastwood** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 12:25 am

We did not give him up too early since we have the opportunity to draft his doppelgänger, Killian Hayes.

SfBull · Post #50 » by **SfBull** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 1:01 am

ArtMorte wrote:He got picked up the Suns and did a great job for them in the bubble both defensively and offensively.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/payneca01.html

While he's a flawed player, I'm not sure either of Arci or Dunn are better than him. Should we have kept him?

I can't even think about it.

SfBull · Post #51 » by **SfBull** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 1:04 am

Dominater wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Look, for the past years, we just don't know how to develop players, period. Markannen, Carter Jr, Payne, Dinwiddie, etc.
The problem is not time related, it's staff related.
We have a short and incompetent staff.

Thats why we need a guy like Atkinson at the helm. He gets more out of less. Even as much as we for some reason rag on Thibs, he always got more out of less too. Nate looked great with him, Augustin who was picked off the scrap heap, Bellinelli, hell he even made John Lucas the 3rd useful.

Our development has been piss poor, probably bottom of the league

Our FA probably bottom of the league.

SfBull · Post #52 » by **SfBull** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 1:08 am

Jeffster81 wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:I would take Dunn over Payne. But Payne is better than Sato.

Your hatred of Sato is clear and understood but Payne is not better than Sato.

Sato is better than Dunn.

Jeffster81 · Post #53 » by **Jeffster81** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 3:19 am

SfBull wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:I would take Dunn over Payne. But Payne is better than Sato.

Your hatred of Sato is clear and understood but Payne is not better than Sato.

Sato is better than Dunn.

Debating which average player is better is a futile conversation.

sco · Post #54 » by **sco** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 12:07 pm

SfBull wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:I would take Dunn over Payne. But Payne is better than Sato.

Your hatred of Sato is clear and understood but Payne is not better than Sato.

Sato is better than Dunn.

Arci > Sato > Dunn as a PG
Shaq > Dunn as a defensive specialist

SfBull · Post #55 » by **SfBull** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 12:24 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:
SfBull wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:
Your hatred of Sato is clear and understood but Payne is not better than Sato.

Sato is better than Dunn.

Debating which average player is better is a futile conversation.

Not futile.Payne isn't a NBA player and Sato is.

Post #56 » by **Ice Man** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 12:44 pm

I just looked up his 2020 stats. They looked really good, excellent shooting, he's rebounding more, decent turnover to assist ratio. I was like, "OK." Then I saw ... based on 8 games, 183 minutes.

Never mind.

Post #57 » by **Michael Jackson** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 2:10 am

We really don’t like it when picks bust out. Even when they turn serviceable, no one likes McDermit anyway because of what he was here. Cam Payne though was extra special. He was just not likable in anyway.

wonderboy2 · Post #58 » by **wonderboy2** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 6:28 am

SfBull wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:
SfBull wrote:Sato is better than Dunn.

Debating which average player is better is a futile conversation.

Not futile.Payne isn't a NBA player and Sato is.

Sato is an NBA player but not a very good one.

ChettheJet · Post #59 » by **ChettheJet** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:16 pm

You know what will happen? The Bulls will trade Tomas Satoransky (despite his thread being closed) and he'll light it up for his new team to open the season and there will be a new thread---Did we give up on Tomas Satoransky Too Soon?

ArtMorte · Post #60 » by **ArtMorte** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 10:28 am

Bump.

Wish we had kept him.