Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[blazza18]

If you're talking yourself into Middleton for a Paul deal, you're lost, and you're completely missing the point.

"I'd take Paul for two years over Midds for four!"

Yeah, well, unless he takes a dip, Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, and he's staring down the barrel of unrestricted free agency and you're sitting there with an empty cupboard. You see Giannis, moving forward we can offer Donte Divincenzo as a running mate.

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The cupboard's empty anyway. In your version we'd have 3 years left of max contract Middleton remaining. Oh joy!

[skones]

If you're talking yourself into Middleton for a Paul deal, you're lost, and you're completely missing the point.

"I'd take Paul for two years over Midds for four!"

Yeah, well, unless he takes a dip, Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, and he's staring down the barrel of unrestricted free agency and you're sitting there with an empty cupboard. You see Giannis, moving forward we can offer Donte Divincenzo as a running mate.

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The cupboard's empty anyway. In your version we'd have 3 years left of max contract Middleton remaining. Oh joy!

Well, no it's not, because you have an all-star so...... You should have been able to recognize how bad the argument you're making was when you're comparing Middleton to Donte Divincenzo as it pertains to bare cupboards.

[Ruzious]

Bogdan is the guy to target from SAC, much more diverse offensive potential and will be competitive defensively here.

I've layed it out before. Bogdan is too hard to get. Not happening.

Let me dream

He would be a great get.

[DingleJerry]

Does Bledsoe, DDV, Ersan for Beal even get the convo going? Salary works, then obviously you add in 1sts/swaps to it until they say yes? It's purely to cut money, legit tank for them and get future picks. They can try to move Bledsoe elsewhere too for another pick. Then they straight up tank for the 1st pick.

[Ruzious]

Does Bledsoe, DDV, Ersan for Beal even get the convo going? Salary works, then obviously you add in 1sts/swaps to it until they say yes? It's purely to cut money, legit tank for them and get future picks. They can try to move Bledsoe elsewhere too for another pick. Then they straight up tank for the 1st pick.

Nah, Washington could a lot more for Beal.

[DingleJerry]

Does Bledsoe, DDV, Ersan for Beal even get the convo going? Salary works, then obviously you add in 1sts/swaps to it until they say yes? It's purely to cut money, legit tank for them and get future picks. They can try to move Bledsoe elsewhere too for another pick. Then they straight up tank for the 1st pick.

Nah, Washington could a lot more for Beal.

Yea it kills we don't' have any young pieces besides DDV. Thing is if they got better players back to play games right now it hurts the full tank for the 1st pick next year. Of course know WAS they'd rather get back ok guys and chase the 8.

But yea they should be trying to find a young player with star potential, think Ingram when he got traded. DDV while solid doesn't have that kind of ceiling. So for us it would be forking all 1sts we can. We'd probably need Beal to force his way here to have a chance. What legit contending teams have such a player though? Maybe Miami with Herro/Bam. MIA can't risk the cap space for Giannis though. Denver and MPJ? Is Beal really gonna make a trade happen and end up in the same blah level of team he's been?

One that would make a lot of sense is Simmons for Beal.

[skones]

Does Bledsoe, DDV, Ersan for Beal even get the convo going? Salary works, then obviously you add in 1sts/swaps to it until they say yes? It's purely to cut money, legit tank for them and get future picks. They can try to move Bledsoe elsewhere too for another pick. Then they straight up tank for the 1st pick.

We love DDV. We're high on DDV. Other teams like him, but he doesn't carry the value that many of us would address to him as he stands on our team.

[Fotis St]

So just read that Dallas although they have cap space, they aren't signing anyone cause they want to keep their cap space clear for Giannis in summer. So they are keeping cap space and waiting for a true superstar to come . We didn't do that , although we should. Or at least trade for one even if it means to overpay.

[blazza18]

If you're talking yourself into Middleton for a Paul deal, you're lost, and you're completely missing the point.

"I'd take Paul for two years over Midds for four!"

Yeah, well, unless he takes a dip, Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, and he's staring down the barrel of unrestricted free agency and you're sitting there with an empty cupboard. You see Giannis, moving forward we can offer Donte Divincenzo as a running mate.

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The cupboard's empty anyway. In your version we'd have 3 years left of max contract Middleton remaining. Oh joy!

Well, no it's not, because you have an all-star so...... You should have been able to recognize how bad the argument you're making was when you're comparing Middleton to Donte Divincenzo as it pertains to bare cupboards.

So in your totally good argument Paul takes a dip and Middleton remains an all star. Got it!

[giannis and 1]

Getting rid of Middleton in a CP3 deal seems like sideways move. The point is to get a 3rd star.

Gotta get a 2nd one first.

Umm CP3 is the 2nd star, which would move Middleton to the 3rd star.

[giannis and 1]

Feel like there could be better reasons to not trade Middleton for Paul than because he’s short.

There only needs to be one reason, and it's because we can get Paul without trading Middleton.

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

To significantly reduce salary expenditure.

[skones]

The cupboard's empty anyway. In your version we'd have 3 years left of max contract Middleton remaining. Oh joy!

Well, no it's not, because you have an all-star so...... You should have been able to recognize how bad the argument you're making was when you're comparing Middleton to Donte Divincenzo as it pertains to bare cupboards.

So in your totally good argument Paul takes a dip and Middleton remains an all star. Got it!

35 going on 36 and 29 years old are DEFINITELY similar!

What are you even on right now?

[drdrG]

The concerns about Paul are legitimate (age, injury history, contract) but we saw what happens when you consolidate really great players. The Lakers filled their roster with veteran fillers that were good enough because Lebron and AD were that good. I think Giannis, Middleton and CP3 accomplishes that. None of us should bat an eye about going from 60+ wins to 50 if CP3 needs time off. We just need him performing in the playoffs. I think it also gives us the chance to cycle through G-league and undrafted players until we hit on a Duncan Robinson, Terrence Davis, Kendrick Nunn, etc. that are valuable contributors. Depth helps in the regular season undoubtedly but we lacked enough top level playoff performers.

Still think all of this fails if Giannis doesn't improve as a post --> midrange scorer/creator and FT shooter but I've got faith

[theFireBlanket]

Well, no it's not, because you have an all-star so...... You should have been able to recognize how bad the argument you're making was when you're comparing Middleton to Donte Divincenzo as it pertains to bare cupboards.

So in your totally good argument Paul takes a dip and Middleton remains an all star. Got it!

35 going on 36 and 29 years old are DEFINITELY similar!

What are you even on right now?

Khris improved last year yet, given his style of play & commitment to being in shape it's bound to happen next year too. I'm not taking aging Chris Paul over him, definitely more likely to lose a step. Tends to happen whenever Milwaukee trades for a player comparable to him in their later years.

[blazza18]

Well, no it's not, because you have an all-star so...... You should have been able to recognize how bad the argument you're making was when you're comparing Middleton to Donte Divincenzo as it pertains to bare cupboards.

So in your totally good argument Paul takes a dip and Middleton remains an all star. Got it!

35 going on 36 and 29 years old are DEFINITELY similar!

What are you even on right now?

Is Khris Middleton at age 31/32 better than Chris Paul for the next two years? If you think yes then I understand not wanting to swap. If the answer is no then the 2 vs 4 value isn't crazy to me.

[midranger]

Just reminding people. Chris Paul was second team all nba last year. He may drop off, but he’d have to fall a LONG way to be the player some are imagining he’ll become starting next year for some reason.

[Rstuedes24]

I’m not sure how different things may be with the cap situation, but do you guys think anyone might be trying to sell off any 2nd rounders that we could pick up? Looks like some mock drafts have some decent players falling to the 2nd.


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[coolhandluke121]

The cupboard's empty anyway. In your version we'd have 3 years left of max contract Middleton remaining. Oh joy!

Well, no it's not, because you have an all-star so...... You should have been able to recognize how bad the argument you're making was when you're comparing Middleton to Donte Divincenzo as it pertains to bare cupboards.

So in your totally good argument Paul takes a dip and Middleton remains an all star. Got it!

Holy crap dude, is this real? You are becoming a caricature of yourself with the knee-jerk pessimism. I never even saw twirlie get this bad for this long on the Brewers board. It's probably time to meditate or something. A guy who just turned 29 and whose game is mostly based on good size at his position and shooting is more likely to decline than a 35-year-old who was recently healthy for the entire playoffs (one series) for maybe the third time in 6 seasons after missing at least 20 games in each of the three previous seasons?

If the cupboard is empty with Khris and Giannis, why are guys like Bledsoe, Lopez, and Hill so happy to be Bucks that they accepted fair market offers on the first day of free agency, if not before free agency even began? Why was Mirotic so happy that he talked Pau into joining as well? Why did Marvin join the Bucks when basically every single contender wanted to add him for the same price? Why did Wes and Korver join when so many contenders wanted them? Yeah, those guys aren't great, but the point is they could have joined lots of contenders and they chose the Bucks. It's a ridiculous argument.

[coolhandluke121]

Just reminding people. Chris Paul was second team all nba last year. He may drop off, but he’d have to fall a LONG way to be the player some are imagining he’ll become starting next year for some reason.

Or just be hurt in the playoffs, like he usually is.

Look at the injury history of Bledsoe, Brook, and Khris the last 3 years. The Bucks have a better chance of winning a title by standing pat and using the MLE than by trading for Paul for that reason alone.

[midranger]

Yup. Bledsoe being healthy for the playoffs has been amazing!