2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[Floody100]

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YES!!!!!!!!!

Has great value at 26, too. Heck, even 14. He's my this draft's Clarke/Claxton obsession. Just get him and don't try to be cute about where.

A 6'9" defender type who can put the ball on the floor and pull up from 3! The man can't even miss!

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Did they name the school after him??

He moves so smoothly with the ball which is a big surprise considering his age & size. He’s got to fix that jump shot but he could end up being the future power forward we’re looking for.

[captain green]

I was going to post my top 30 bigboard pre combine but decided it's much to long to type for 5 likes lol. I'll wait for the combine to post but I got alot info and I'll say this. Not much separates the difference between: oturu, Williams, Reed,Smith Stewart,mamadite diakite, Perry and McDaniels

[djFan71]

Reed’s jumper looks like Amir Johnson’s on fast forward.
Or like it’s the first time he’s shot a basketball, every time. But he’s got some touch and there’s a lot to work with there.

I love it. An extremely crappy Chris Webber with a fast forward Amir Johnson jumper. Can't miss!

[BostonCouchGM]

I want to preface that this is early and my opinions have changed quite a bit from earlier as I've researched more and realized I was fighting a losing battle with how I projected players playing in the NBA pre 2010 when defense was allowed, carries, travels, push offs and moving screens were illegal and called (for the most part) and coaches didn't allow terrible defenders who were inefficient chuckers and turnover prone, to lead their teams in usage and shots...and how I need to project them now.

This is based on who I think these players will be 4-5 years from now when they're almost fully developed.

Anthony Edwards
LaMelo Ball
Tyrese Haliburton
Robert Woodard II
Precious Achiuwa
James Wiseman
Killian Hayes
Karim Mane
Josh Hall
Devin Vassell
Onyeka Okongwu
Kira Lewis
Tyler Bey
Josh Green
Deni Avdija
Saddiq Bey
Aleksej Pokusevski
Zeke Nnaji
Aaron Nesmith
Paul Reed
Jaden McDaniels
Payton Pritchard
RJ Hampton
Obi Toppin
Borisa Simanic
Isaac Okoro
Vernon Carey, Jr.
Steven Enoch
Jalen Smith
Patrick Williams

[winsomme2]

I think what we're seeing with the Cs being linked to so many different players is that as much as this draft is lacking at the top of the draft in terms of talent it is LOADED mid to late first round. And many of the prospects are very difficult to separate.

I think what this could mean for us is that the opportunity to package picks and move up is real.

Teams are going to look at many of these prospects as an opportunity to get a valuable piece to their roster and at an cost controlled price.

Think about prospects like Reed, Tyler Bey, Isaiah Stewart, Jalen Smith, Josh Green, Nico Mannion, Tre Jones, Desmond Bane, Elijah Hughes,...the list goes on...

These are all solid prospects that could easily contribute to a team in year one.

I think we have a real opportunity to take a big step forward in this off season. I hope Danny makes good use of our assets because I think they are actually substantial and come at just the right time.

[31to6]

Reed’s jumper looks like Amir Johnson’s on fast forward.
Or like it’s the first time he’s shot a basketball, every time. But he’s got some touch and there’s a lot to work with there.

I love it. An extremely crappy Chris Webber with a fast forward Amir Johnson jumper. Can't miss!

That player doesn’t come around every day.

[100proof]

I love draft time.

So many players I have become enamoured with. I wish we had 6 picks and 6 roster spots to use them on. lol.

However In my order by position (not that anyone cares I assume):
PGs:

1) Haliburton: A very Malcom Brogdon type of Player. Can play either position, smart, no real weaknesses, not the most athletically gifted but great IQ, a bit thin

2) Hayes: A lot of the same qualities as Haliburton, not as good a shooter, bit better playmaker. Not overly athletic, good size

3) Hampton: Great athlete. Tough defender, improving shot, one of the best break down abilities in the draft. Poor mans Westbrook potential with better shooting percentages and far better mentality.

4) Ball: Meh

5) Lewis Jr: Super fast, good range on shot, good defender. Might be the fastest player in the draft. A bit like Fox

Darkhorse: Maledon

SG:

1) Edwards: Enough said

2) Ramsey: Hyper competitive, Can defend, can score at all three levels. NBA size. Marcus smart with better offense at lesser defense.

3) Vassell: Elite Size, great athleticsm, Excellent shooter and excellent defender A bit like Michael Redd? maybe a mike miller with better defense.

4) Green: Elite defender who can also shoot the 3. Great NBA size. A bit like a Josh Richardson

5) Maxey: Good scorer, undersized. A bit like Lou WIlliams

Darkhours: Riller, Joe

SF:

1) Deni: Might be best player in the draft. Defender, playmaker, gaining more and more offensive abilities. Think Hedu with very good defense.

2) Okoro: Elite defender, great playmaker, excellent athleticism, learning to shoot. A bit like Justice Winslow Could see him being a trade up target of Danny's if he is looking to move Hayward. Would fit great with the Jays.

3) S. Bey: Prototypical 3D player. A bit like a poor mans Middleton maybe?

4) T. Bey: Alot to explain, but will sum it up with Shawn Marion

5) Nesmith: Excellent shooter, can really light it up from deep. Long, very smart, very good size. Can see him topping out like a Robert Covington type of player. A rich mans tony snell

Darkhorse: Bane, Scrubb, Bolmaro

PF:

1) Pat Williams: Elite athleticism, bit of a tweener. Great defender, learning to offense. Smart and an NBA body. Maybe a bit like OG onanuby. Could be a steal.

2) Jalen Smith: Blocks shots, Rebounds, Runs the floor, defends well. A bit of a Myles Turner type of a player if he puts on more weight

3) Reed: Defensive specialist. Thin, needs to put on weight. Good height and wingspan. Very efficient offensively. Maybe a combo of Siakam and Draymond for his Comp.

4) Precious: Great size, plays hard, terrible shooter. Not great at offense but potential is there. Think someone like Kenneth Faried at this point.

5) Toppin: Athletic, Good on offense. Doesnt like defense. Amare type of player imo Am not sold on him as an nba player.

Darkhorse: Poku, Tillie

C:

1) Wiseman: Cannot teach size and athleticism. Kid is a potential franchise changer. Has Embiid size with Howard athleticism.

2) Okongwu: strong, good size, athletic, can pass, can dribble, can do a bit of everything but shoot 3s. A bit like Bam

3) Nnaji: Mobile, good hands, good motor, excellent work ethic. PLays within himself, extending range to 3pt line. a bit like a young Taj Gibson.

4) Stewart: Great size and strength. Good defender of the paint. Not an explosive athlete. Apparently extending range out to the 3pt line. A bit like Antonio Davis.

5) Oturu: Defends the paint. Alters shots, Good size, bad at offense but sets good screens and rolls to the rim good. A poors man Clint Capela

Top 15 picks:
1) Deni Avdija
2) Wiseman
3) Edwards
4) Okongwu
5) Haliburton
6) Okoro
7) Haywes
8) Ball
9) Williams
10) Vassell
11) Jalen Smith
12) S. Bey
13) Nesmith
14) Green
15) Toppin


I have become completely "Binkied" with Deni, Okongwu, Okoro, Haliburton and ramsey. I really wish there was a way to grab any of those players.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Deni is going to bust hard. Who drafts a wing that cant shoot?

[Half-Full]

I think what we're seeing with the Cs being linked to so many different players is that as much as this draft is lacking at the top of the draft in terms of talent it is LOADED mid to late first round. And many of the prospects are very difficult to separate.

I think what this could mean for us is that the opportunity to package picks and move up is real.

Teams are going to look at many of these prospects as an opportunity to get a valuable piece to their roster and at an cost controlled price.

Think about prospects like Reed, Tyler Bey, Isaiah Stewart, Jalen Smith, Josh Green, Nico Mannion, Tre Jones, Desmond Bane, Elijah Hughes,...the list goes on...

These are all solid prospects that could easily contribute to a team in year one.

I think we have a real opportunity to take a big step forward in this off season. I hope Danny makes good use of our assets because I think they are actually substantial and come at just the right time.

I agree with this assessment. Maybe we can package picks and move up, but if not, there are many players that should be available at 14, 26, and 30 that are very intriguing. At this point, my biggest worry is that we end up drafting only one player, trading the rest of the picks or going the draft and stash route. Yes, I realize that accommodating 3 or 4 players on our roster would be difficult, perhaps not doable. What it means is that many of us will likely end up seeing some other team end up with the player/players we have been eyeing. Binkies snatched away from us, dreams of selecting a home run pick gone out the window. Instead, the possibility that a missed binkie steps up to the plate for another team and hits that home run.

[100proof]

Deni is going to bust hard. Who drafts a wing that cant shoot?

He has excellent form. Not a real concern.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Deni is going to bust hard. Who drafts a wing that cant shoot?

He has excellent form. Not a real concern.

Id say a 3pt% in the 20’s coupled with a FT% in the 50’s is a pretty big concern.

[JHTruth]

Deni is going to bust hard. Who drafts a wing that cant shoot?

I agree. Deni is the next massive Eurobust. Absolutely terrible player. He's simply riding high on the Luka wave. Some comps to other Euros performing at similar or better competition at a similar age. Mario Hezonja is his comp..

Year # Player Age PER
2001 2 Pau Gasol 20.5 29.4
2008 6 Danilo Gallinari 19.4 19.3
2009 5 Ricky Rubio 18.2 18.6
2011 5 Jonas Valanciunas 18.7 25.2
2015 4 Kristaps Porzingis 19.4 23
2018 3 Luka Doncic 18.8 22.9
2020 ? Deni Avdija 19 10.5

[100proof]

Deni is going to bust hard. Who drafts a wing that cant shoot?

He has excellent form. Not a real concern.

Id say a 3pt% in the 20’s coupled with a FT% in the 50’s is a pretty big concern.

His 3pt percentage was 50% the season prior, so I dont put alot of stock into that.

His form is excellent,

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Up until early January across 28 games in the Israeli league and EuroLeague combined, Avdija had only made more than one three-pointer in a game once, and that was in the second game of the season. Overall he shot 12-46, just 26% on just 1.6 attempts per game.

Since January 9th across 24 games, Avdija has made more than one three in 13 games, including in all 5 games since the Israeli league has returned. In total, across that span, Avdija has made 42-102 threes, a shade over 41%. That’s a very respectable mark on 4.25 attempts per game.

That is a big enough sample size to see the improvement in Avdija’s game. The free throw shooting is still a worry, especially given that is often viewed as a reliable precursor to shooting percentages in the NBA. But for a young player to show this level of improvement across the season while playing in a professional setting against grown men, including in the world’s second-best club competition, is encouraging.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2020/07/07/deni-avdijas-improved-shooting-could-land-him-on-the-golden-state-warriors/#4443b9243d7c

https://i.imgur.com/nd2uk5Y.mp4

[JHTruth]

He has excellent form. Not a real concern.

Id say a 3pt% in the 20’s coupled with a FT% in the 50’s is a pretty big concern.

His 3pt percentage was 50% the season prior, so I dont put alot of stock into that.

His form is excellent,

Watch on YouTube

Up until early January across 28 games in the Israeli league and EuroLeague combined, Avdija had only made more than one three-pointer in a game once, and that was in the second game of the season. Overall he shot 12-46, just 26% on just 1.6 attempts per game.

Since January 9th across 24 games, Avdija has made more than one three in 13 games, including in all 5 games since the Israeli league has returned. In total, across that span, Avdija has made 42-102 threes, a shade over 41%. That’s a very respectable mark on 4.25 attempts per game.

That is a big enough sample size to see the improvement in Avdija’s game. The free throw shooting is still a worry, especially given that is often viewed as a reliable precursor to shooting percentages in the NBA. But for a young player to show this level of improvement across the season while playing in a professional setting against grown men, including in the world’s second-best club competition, is encouraging.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2020/07/07/deni-avdijas-improved-shooting-could-land-him-on-the-golden-state-warriors/#4443b9243d7c

https://i.imgur.com/nd2uk5Y.mp4

Pretty good evaluation by a man who had Luka pegged early...

https://deanondraft.com/2020/09/28/how-good-is-deni-avdija/

[SmartWentCrazy]

He has excellent form. Not a real concern.

Id say a 3pt% in the 20’s coupled with a FT% in the 50’s is a pretty big concern.

His 3pt percentage was 50% the season prior, so I dont put alot of stock into that.

His form is excellent,

Watch on YouTube

Up until early January across 28 games in the Israeli league and EuroLeague combined, Avdija had only made more than one three-pointer in a game once, and that was in the second game of the season. Overall he shot 12-46, just 26% on just 1.6 attempts per game.

Since January 9th across 24 games, Avdija has made more than one three in 13 games, including in all 5 games since the Israeli league has returned. In total, across that span, Avdija has made 42-102 threes, a shade over 41%. That’s a very respectable mark on 4.25 attempts per game.

That is a big enough sample size to see the improvement in Avdija’s game. The free throw shooting is still a worry, especially given that is often viewed as a reliable precursor to shooting percentages in the NBA. But for a young player to show this level of improvement across the season while playing in a professional setting against grown men, including in the world’s second-best club competition, is encouraging.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2020/07/07/deni-avdijas-improved-shooting-could-land-him-on-the-golden-state-warriors/#4443b9243d7c

https://i.imgur.com/nd2uk5Y.mp4

Lol he went 5-10 in 8 games— use the larger samples.

He’s 97-313 [31.0%] from 3 in professional games the last 2 years. He’s 109-196 [55.6%] from the line. Thats ROUGH for a starting wing.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Deni-Avdija/Summary/116938

[100proof]

Deni is going to bust hard. Who drafts a wing that cant shoot?

I agree. Deni is the next massive Eurobust. Absolutely terrible player. He's simply riding high on the Luka wave. Some comps to other Euros performing at similar or better competition at a similar age..

Year # Player Age PER
2001 2 Pau Gasol 20.5 29.4
2008 6 Danilo Gallinari 19.4 19.3
2009 5 Ricky Rubio 18.2 18.6
2011 5 Jonas Valanciunas 18.7 25.2
2015 4 Kristaps Porzingis 19.4 23
2018 3 Luka Doncic 18.8 22.9
2020 ? Deni Avdija 19 10.5

per is not a great comparison imo.

Deni is not going to be a luka, he is more in lines with Hedu (less shooting more defense) Kukoc (less shooting better defense). I would say he should play alot like Winslow. Be a defender on day 1, and also be able to playmake from the wing.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Would you draft Winslow in the lottery today? I sure as **** wouldnt.

[100proof]

Id say a 3pt% in the 20’s coupled with a FT% in the 50’s is a pretty big concern.

His 3pt percentage was 50% the season prior, so I dont put alot of stock into that.

His form is excellent,

Watch on YouTube

Up until early January across 28 games in the Israeli league and EuroLeague combined, Avdija had only made more than one three-pointer in a game once, and that was in the second game of the season. Overall he shot 12-46, just 26% on just 1.6 attempts per game.

Since January 9th across 24 games, Avdija has made more than one three in 13 games, including in all 5 games since the Israeli league has returned. In total, across that span, Avdija has made 42-102 threes, a shade over 41%. That’s a very respectable mark on 4.25 attempts per game.

That is a big enough sample size to see the improvement in Avdija’s game. The free throw shooting is still a worry, especially given that is often viewed as a reliable precursor to shooting percentages in the NBA. But for a young player to show this level of improvement across the season while playing in a professional setting against grown men, including in the world’s second-best club competition, is encouraging.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2020/07/07/deni-avdijas-improved-shooting-could-land-him-on-the-golden-state-warriors/#4443b9243d7c

https://i.imgur.com/nd2uk5Y.mp4

Lol he went 5-10 in 8 games— use the larger samples.

He’s 97-313 [31.0%] from 3 in professional games the last 2 years. He’s 109-196 [55.6%] from the line. Thats ROUGH for a starting wing.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Deni-Avdija/Summary/116938

13-47 in Euro league, but then he improved during the break and in the isreali league went 48-136 for 35%

FTs suck.

But the form is there, it will come with more repetition.

[100proof]

Would you draft Winslow in the lottery today? I sure as **** wouldnt.

A healthy Winslow is a very good player, a very unique player. In this draft, sure. he went 10th in a better draft.

Last year when he was healthy he was giving
12.5ppg
5.5rpg
4.5apg
1spg
43% and 37%

in 30 minutes a game

It is a very good compliment type of piece with the Jays. Not an allstar, but a great plug and play piece, And I see Deni has having alot of potential in comparison. In fact,. moreso than Justice had coming into the league.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Bro, youre cherry picking the **** outta your stats lol. Winsow aint that player and Avdija isnt a good shooter.