Wolves Interested In Trading Out Of First Overall Pick For Win-Now Player

[Lalouie]

this is the kind of perverse thinking reserved for teams/orgs like minnie.

"win now" players are for good teams that can never hurdle that bar or good teams getting old, both have a small window

teams that go 19wins and are at the bottom of the league and perennial lottery teams are supposed to know it takes more than one player, but leave it to minnie to pick the worst draft year in ages to try to pull a double whammy

That is very subjective opinion “this is the worse draft year in ages.” That will not be confirmed nor denied for about 3 years.

Too many around these parts are quick to equate hype for a draftee as equal to their NBA playing potential and actual basketball abilities.

Let’s say Covid didn’t hit. Does Edwards have the same hype as Morant with a complete tournament to showcase? We don’t know. But because he didn’t get that hype (like hype credibility currency in the bank), does it mean his actual NBA abilities are any different because he didn’t play in the tournament? Nope. I don’t think he jumps any less high or shoots much differently or runs slower.

How about Wiseman. Say he played and showcased his freak size and athleticism. Sports center and YouTube of Wiseman dunking on heads would be all the MSM rage. Does that hype make him a better NBA player or just a better hyped #1 draft pick? One that makes fans and NBA executives sleep better at night when making him the pick. Lack of hype doesn’t make him shorter or less freak in size to athleticism ratio.

If scouts actually think after whatever evaluation they can Covid do, think Edwards isn’t a NBA player worth top 3, or Wiseman isn’t a freak worth the gamble, or Ball isn’t more Doncic than Rubio, sure make it a weak draft. But it will be hard with such Covid limitations to truly make that NBA judgement. Including hyping a kid all over town.

We will all see in 3 short years.

"let's wait and see" is an easy out that avoids the question.

the point is since its regarded by ALL as the worst draft in years, and teams and gms are reacting to it. they are thinking of negotiating their drafts spots because of it. therefore it suddenly becomes NOT a normal draft with teams holding onto their normal patterns and thus all the picks become a shot in the dark.

in other words take this Minnie rumor. well if Minnie trades that pick and that pick becomes a great choice for whatever team, whether they draft lamelo or someone no one ever heard of before, well then minnie lost its pick all because they acted on the perception that this was a bad draft..

I mean the draft has always been a cr@p shoot anyway which is basically what you're saying, and I agree,,, but looking back never helps anyone....didn't help them who passed on doncic. all you can do is react to the present, and the present says "this draft sucks therefore we'll trade our pick away for a win now player", and I'm saying the rationale behind that decision, the "win now" reasoning, is flat out the wrong method for minnie

[Ilovethebay]

I guess a win now player could help them save face for trading GS their lotto pick next year. If GS ends up with the 4th or 5th pick next year Minn could end up with a lot of egg on their faces. To bad the player with the highest ceiling is a good year or 2 from making a significant impact (Wiseman).

[LakersSoul]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259879/Wolves-Interested-In-Trading-Out-Of-First-Overall-Pick-For-Win-Now-Player

There are a few teams that might jump on a rebuild.

Portland with the two guards.
Possibly OKC with Paul.
Oladipo in Indiana.
Phoenix stars.
Hield in SacTown
Washington’s Beal

There are a ton of potential.

[PhilBlackson]

The Hawks should try to flip Capella for #2 + Wiggins then draft Edwards and Okongwu but GSW is likely looking for someone who get a few buckets too that just plays more defense than Wiggins.

[DaPessimist]

The Wolves are in win-now mode?

[johanliebert]

As long as they have towns it won’t matter

[Mylie10]

I read Pop may want to move up to grab Wiseman.

If that were true I think either Derozen or Aldridge would be on the table.

[LakersSoul]

The Hawks should try to flip Capella for #2 + Wiggins then draft Edwards and Okongwu but GSW is likely looking for someone who get a few buckets too that just plays more defense than Wiggins.

I don’t know if GW will trade Wiggins for Capella straight up let alone add the #2.

[Bornstellar]

I read Pop may want to move up to grab Wiseman.

If that were true I think either Derozen or Aldridge would be on the table.

I would hope. But I think either of them would help bolster GS roster more than Minny.

There's no one they can trade the #1 pick for to be a win now team because none of those guys would be on the block. Their only hope would be for mid tier stars like LMA or Derozan, CP3, Westbrook, etc.

[LakersSoul]

I read Pop may want to move up to grab Wiseman.

If that were true I think either Derozen or Aldridge would be on the table.

Pop trying to sucker GSW to trade for DeRozen or Aldridge and get the #2 pick. Classic.

[ILOVEIT]

Honestly....Wolves...win now? I just don't see that unless they add Booker or Beal....other than that win down might be 42 wins?

They are more than one piece away...they need two or three solid to good pieces and a complete attitude change on defense.

[Wolveswin]

this is the kind of perverse thinking reserved for teams/orgs like minnie.

"win now" players are for good teams that can never hurdle that bar or good teams getting old, both have a small window

teams that go 19wins and are at the bottom of the league and perennial lottery teams are supposed to know it takes more than one player, but leave it to minnie to pick the worst draft year in ages to try to pull a double whammy

That is very subjective opinion “this is the worse draft year in ages.” That will not be confirmed nor denied for about 3 years.

Too many around these parts are quick to equate hype for a draftee as equal to their NBA playing potential and actual basketball abilities.

Let’s say Covid didn’t hit. Does Edwards have the same hype as Morant with a complete tournament to showcase? We don’t know. But because he didn’t get that hype (like hype credibility currency in the bank), does it mean his actual NBA abilities are any different because he didn’t play in the tournament? Nope. I don’t think he jumps any less high or shoots much differently or runs slower.

How about Wiseman. Say he played and showcased his freak size and athleticism. Sports center and YouTube of Wiseman dunking on heads would be all the MSM rage. Does that hype make him a better NBA player or just a better hyped #1 draft pick? One that makes fans and NBA executives sleep better at night when making him the pick. Lack of hype doesn’t make him shorter or less freak in size to athleticism ratio.

If scouts actually think after whatever evaluation they can Covid do, think Edwards isn’t a NBA player worth top 3, or Wiseman isn’t a freak worth the gamble, or Ball isn’t more Doncic than Rubio, sure make it a weak draft. But it will be hard with such Covid limitations to truly make that NBA judgement. Including hyping a kid all over town.

We will all see in 3 short years.

"let's wait and see" is an easy out that avoids the question.

the point is since its regarded by ALL as the worst draft in years, and teams and gms are reacting to it. they are thinking of negotiating their drafts spots because of it. therefore it suddenly becomes NOT a normal draft with teams holding onto their normal patterns and thus all the picks become a shot in the dark.

in other words take this Minnie rumor. well if Minnie trades that pick and that pick becomes a great choice for whatever team, whether they draft lamelo or someone no one ever heard of before, well then minnie lost its pick all because they acted on the perception that this was a bad draft..

I mean the draft has always been a cr@p shoot anyway which is basically what you're saying, and I agree,,, but looking back never helps anyone....didn't help them who passed on doncic. all you can do is react to the present, and the present says "this draft sucks therefore we'll trade our pick away for a win now player", and I'm saying the rationale behind that decision, the "win now" reasoning, is flat out the wrong method for minnie

I think you are combining two different things. When you say the draft sucks, that refers to the level of talent available or lack there of. I think that too many interchange hype and skill re: this draft. With the considerable lack of hype for the top prospects, easy to be lead astray that the talent sucks.

What does suck, is GMs who are asked to read tea leaves and predict how good 19/20yo kids will be against men in the NBA, now have to make career killers/makers based on even less input. And I don't mean just less data, less scouting, video, eye test, etc. So if that results in less GMs willing to stake their career on a draft pick and more willing to trade the pick, shouldn't speak to the level of talent or lack there of in this draft class.

And that is the other point, trading picks in this draft is more difficult. Because the usual percentages of more talent being found at top of draft (more of a crap shoot the further removed from top 3) has all been thrown out the window. A GM might feel they have the same odds drafting a contributor anywhere in the draft. Because of the uncertainty and circumstances that surround this draft.

Personally I think the Wolves are doing their due diligence. Float idea they are willing to trade the 1st, see if a crazy offer surfaces, if not, select who they had in mind all along. They will trade #17 + other players/assets for their win-now player. Go into next season with #1 overall plus their win-now player paid for with much less volatile asset than #1 overall.

[FinnTheHuman]

Wolves just gotta draft Edwards. He’s simply BPA. You don’t trade the number 1 pick for a star vet unless you become a contender, and Wolves are not becoming contenders. Draft Edwards, just draft the goddamn Edwards.

[NY 567]

You can't make a win now team out of KAT and D'Angelo. WNBA teams could run the pick and roll and score on those two jabronis.

[sikma42]

They would hate Westbrook. Westbrook is intense and a great competitor. Towns seems like the opposite and this is going to be a weird time for him after his mother passed..RIP

Russell Westbrook would fit nicely with KAT and D'Lo

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[pr0wler]

I think teams are starting to wise up to the fact that outside of maybe 10-15 players each decade, the draft is a crapshoot.

[tarantism]

The Wolves look capped out at a glance. Are they looking to unload salary in the process? How do they plan on absorbing a mid to major salary in exchange for the 1st pick? James Johnson??

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[_AIJ_]

The Wolves are in win-now mode?

What's so funny about them trying to win now? Can they not try? dont be a bitch

[Mylie10]

I read Pop may want to move up to grab Wiseman.

If that were true I think either Derozen or Aldridge would be on the table.

Pop trying to sucker GSW to trade for DeRozen or Aldridge and get the #2 pick. Classic.

I’ve been on the Wiseman train since August 2019 so I’m with Pop on this one.

[NoZoLakers]

Danny Green says hello with 3x rings n best +/- off all the lakers in playoffs