Build a Franchise (Season 4) Draft edition. The Celtics have been SKIPPED. Houston is on the clock until 12AM

[mpharris36]

I don't have a pick but my feeling is this. If you miss your pick you should not be rewarded with paying a cheaper salary slot.

If you miss your pick you should be punished by still paying the higher salary slot despite missing out on a player.

The thinking should be to encourage people to pick in their original slot.

If not, some "people" could take this and run with it by intentionally letting themselves get skipped if they know they can land their guy at a later pick in an effort to save dollars on their cap hit.

100%

we don't even deal with real life players so I get bish point that players would get paid cheaper salaries but we aren't dealing with that dynamic.

The dynamic we are dealing with is that teams could abuse the system to get cheaper players for missing there pick. It could even screw over a team following the rules waiting for there time slot to pick and doing everything right and then after the draft they could be screwed by now being forced to make moves to clear salary when there were just following the rules and picking in there correct time slot.

The other thing is no pick is official until bish announces so there could be a 2-3 pick lag technically which could get ridiculous. If you miss your pick when you make it you go back into that spot with the salary originally pegged for it.

No reward should be allowed to a team "missing' there pick. And no one should get penalized for properly picking in there allotted time slot.

[Manhattan Project]

The moment any GM "misses" a pick for salary manipulation this thread will go up in flames.

[bishnykfan]

I don't like that rule at all bish That gives an advantage if a team doesn't want to pick. They don't get the benefit of getting a cheaper salary.

For example I planned my entire salary based off my slots. I now have to wait until the guy picks above me to pick even if he misses his pick to make sure I have enough salary?

Then run the risk of getting skipped as well because I have to wait before you announce to make sure he sent his pick in before me even during my time slot?

Especially with you not being able to always be around to make every selection in actual time you aren't superman and have a life (if we send picks ahead of time slotted I could be way over salary and have no clue just by making my picks in my correct time slot).

Don’t recall it ever happening in the NBA but teams have been skipped in the NFL draft and to the best of my knowledge, this is the way they have done it.

You can definitely argue that it gives an advantage to the team being skipped but it is also a disadvantage in the fact that they will have one less player to choose from. It can be a disadvantage to the team moving up because they have to pay the higher salary but it’s also an advantage because they get more choice in their selection.

Plus, no team will be forced to pick a player just because the team in front of you is skipped. You can wait your full allotment of time while you are now on the clock as well.

This is not to punish the team. It is done for the players benefit. Imagine the first couple picks being skipped and then the #1 overall player drafted getting paid with the third salary slot. The player should not be punished. This is the main reason the salary goes with the draft slot, not necessarily the team.

I understand what you’re saying, but this is the way our draft has always worked. People who are actively online can still make your choice in the proper slot. And if you can’t be here, PM me your top two choices.

But picks get announced in real time and you just can't be here all times of the day and I get that. I would never technically know when the guy in front of me picked even during my time slot seems way out of bounds.

I have no issues with sending 2 or even 3 selections to you (I will be here during my slots that isn't my concern). But if its during my timeslot I have to assume the team above me wasn't skipped he you just didn't announce it yet? What if I wait the entire 2 hours of my time slot you still haven't made an announcement. I'm would be literally just waiting and risk myself getting skipped as well just for salary purposes? Lets say I would have to wait even after my time slot just to make sure I can make the financial commitment work?

I would vote for an immediate rule to make this changed. If Hoffa is going to play games and what even if that person says "pick is in" and lie about it...and then I make a pick during my timeslot and then find out they actually didn't to get a lower salary because they know who I may pick and wanted to wait a pick to save money.

This has to be changed bish. And the fact is NBA teams can operate over the cap to both resign there own FA"s and sign future draft picks as they please over multiple years. Are rules are very damaging for teams being over the salary cap so teams should be able to operate knowing there pick salary as long as they make there picks in there right time slot.

Picks will get announced in real time as often as possible. There will obviously be a few hours here and there where I won’t be able to get to a computer. But just like the last couple of years, I will be sure to let the people know when that will be so they can plan accordingly. I have a couple of hours tomorrow where I will not be available. Most of the day Sunday and Monday I’ll be online waiting for picks to be sent in to me and most picks will be made in real time.

This has not been an issue in past drafts because most every GM makes their pick ahead of time. We are generally way ahead of the time slot schedule that is posted in the thread. If a GM does use the entire allotment of time or if it happens to be one of those times I’ve announced that I will be away from my computer, teams can PM me their two person list. If they care about the player, they can say they want the player in the PM regardless of salary. If the salary slot is more important, then it can be written up that way in the PM. Player A/Player B in the X slot.

No one will be forced to pick a player with a higher salary then you planned for. It is an option and a reward for the team that gets to have more options when they are on the clock. If you want to stay in your slot, you can still absolutely do that.

[Deeeez Knicks]

With the first pick in the NBA Draft the Miami Heat select Wild Turkey 101!!!

Def sounds more like it will be more of a Wild Turkey kinda draft

[mpharris36]

Don’t recall it ever happening in the NBA but teams have been skipped in the NFL draft and to the best of my knowledge, this is the way they have done it.

You can definitely argue that it gives an advantage to the team being skipped but it is also a disadvantage in the fact that they will have one less player to choose from. It can be a disadvantage to the team moving up because they have to pay the higher salary but it’s also an advantage because they get more choice in their selection.

Plus, no team will be forced to pick a player just because the team in front of you is skipped. You can wait your full allotment of time while you are now on the clock as well.

This is not to punish the team. It is done for the players benefit. Imagine the first couple picks being skipped and then the #1 overall player drafted getting paid with the third salary slot. The player should not be punished. This is the main reason the salary goes with the draft slot, not necessarily the team.

I understand what you’re saying, but this is the way our draft has always worked. People who are actively online can still make your choice in the proper slot. And if you can’t be here, PM me your top two choices.

But picks get announced in real time and you just can't be here all times of the day and I get that. I would never technically know when the guy in front of me picked even during my time slot seems way out of bounds.

I have no issues with sending 2 or even 3 selections to you (I will be here during my slots that isn't my concern). But if its during my timeslot I have to assume the team above me wasn't skipped he you just didn't announce it yet? What if I wait the entire 2 hours of my time slot you still haven't made an announcement. I'm would be literally just waiting and risk myself getting skipped as well just for salary purposes? Lets say I would have to wait even after my time slot just to make sure I can make the financial commitment work?

I would vote for an immediate rule to make this changed. If Hoffa is going to play games and what even if that person says "pick is in" and lie about it...and then I make a pick during my timeslot and then find out they actually didn't to get a lower salary because they know who I may pick and wanted to wait a pick to save money.

This has to be changed bish. And the fact is NBA teams can operate over the cap to both resign there own FA"s and sign future draft picks as they please over multiple years. Are rules are very damaging for teams being over the salary cap so teams should be able to operate knowing there pick salary as long as they make there picks in there right time slot.

Picks will get announced in real time as often as possible. There will obviously be a few hours here and there where I won’t be able to get to a computer. But just like the last couple of years, I will be sure to let the people know when that will be so they can plan accordingly. I have a couple of hours tomorrow where I will not be available. Most of the day Sunday and Monday I’ll be online waiting for picks to be sent in to me and most picks will be made in real time.

This has not been an issue in past drafts because most every GM makes their pick ahead of time. We are generally way ahead of the time slot schedule that is posted in the thread. If a GM does use the entire allotment of time or if it happens to be one of those times I’ve announced that I will be away from my computer, teams can PM me their two person list. If they care about the player, they can say they want the player in the PM regardless of salary. If the salary slot is more important, then it can be written up that way in the PM. Player A/Player B in the X slot.

No one will be forced to pick a player with a higher salary then you planned for. It is an option and a reward for the team that gets to have more options when they are on the clock. If you want to stay in your slot, you can still absolutely do that.

Can you describe a scenario where I can guarantee I pick in my slot without myself being skipped?

Lets say hoffa doesn't pick at #2. Lets say its my pick now. Are you saying I can't make my pick until someone picks ahead of me? SO would either need to have my pick skipped by Context at #4 to insure I pick #3? What if Context doesn't want to the #2 slot salary we now have to wait until Phish at #5 jumps both of us...who might be targeting the same player I am which hoffa and context weren't then I can pick but lets say Context sees you announce phish pick before me and time stamps his pick I can in theory be pick 4th or 5th if then hoffa decides to finally make his pick if I'm not on for like 6 straight hours refreshing every second?

Its all within the 3 pick rule...and I simply think that is complete manipulation of the draft. I think nearly 99% of the league (outside of maybe hoffa) wouldn't have an issue that your time slot and salary are fixed to your spot. And if you want to trade it thats fine but just sitting on the pick to get a better salary should not be allowed.

Its also not been an issue in a while since we haven't had a GM suggest he plans on manipulating the draft like Hoffa said he would.

[bringbackhoffa]

But picks get announced in real time and you just can't be here all times of the day and I get that. I would never technically know when the guy in front of me picked even during my time slot seems way out of bounds.

I have no issues with sending 2 or even 3 selections to you (I will be here during my slots that isn't my concern). But if its during my timeslot I have to assume the team above me wasn't skipped he you just didn't announce it yet? What if I wait the entire 2 hours of my time slot you still haven't made an announcement. I'm would be literally just waiting and risk myself getting skipped as well just for salary purposes? Lets say I would have to wait even after my time slot just to make sure I can make the financial commitment work?

I would vote for an immediate rule to make this changed. If Hoffa is going to play games and what even if that person says "pick is in" and lie about it...and then I make a pick during my timeslot and then find out they actually didn't to get a lower salary because they know who I may pick and wanted to wait a pick to save money.

This has to be changed bish. And the fact is NBA teams can operate over the cap to both resign there own FA"s and sign future draft picks as they please over multiple years. Are rules are very damaging for teams being over the salary cap so teams should be able to operate knowing there pick salary as long as they make there picks in there right time slot.

Picks will get announced in real time as often as possible. There will obviously be a few hours here and there where I won’t be able to get to a computer. But just like the last couple of years, I will be sure to let the people know when that will be so they can plan accordingly. I have a couple of hours tomorrow where I will not be available. Most of the day Sunday and Monday I’ll be online waiting for picks to be sent in to me and most picks will be made in real time.

This has not been an issue in past drafts because most every GM makes their pick ahead of time. We are generally way ahead of the time slot schedule that is posted in the thread. If a GM does use the entire allotment of time or if it happens to be one of those times I’ve announced that I will be away from my computer, teams can PM me their two person list. If they care about the player, they can say they want the player in the PM regardless of salary. If the salary slot is more important, then it can be written up that way in the PM. Player A/Player B in the X slot.

No one will be forced to pick a player with a higher salary then you planned for. It is an option and a reward for the team that gets to have more options when they are on the clock. If you want to stay in your slot, you can still absolutely do that.

Can you describe a scenario where I can guarantee I pick in my slot without myself being skipped?

Lets say hoffa doesn't pick at #2. Lets say its my pick now. Are you saying I can't make my pick until someone picks ahead of me? SO would either need to have my pick skipped by Context at #4 to insure I pick #3? What if Context doesn't want to the #2 slot salary we now have to wait until Phish at #5 jumps both of us...who might be targeting the same player I am which hoffa and context weren't then I can pick but lets say Context sees you announce phish pick before me and time stamps his pick I can in theory be pick 4th or 5th if then hoffa decides to finally make his pick if I'm not on for like 6 straight hours refreshing every second?

Its all within the 3 pick rule...and I simply think that is complete manipulation of the draft. I think nearly 99% of the league (outside of maybe hoffa) wouldn't have an issue that your time slot and salary are fixed to your spot. And if you want to trade it thats fine but just sitting on the pick to get a better salary should not be allowed.

Its also not been an issue in a while since we haven't had a GM suggest he plans on manipulating the draft like Hoffa said he would.

guys dont worry im not going to skip my pick, im reckless but not foolish

[bringbackhoffa]

also if you want to move up from 3 to 2 im open for business

[mpharris36]

Picks will get announced in real time as often as possible. There will obviously be a few hours here and there where I won’t be able to get to a computer. But just like the last couple of years, I will be sure to let the people know when that will be so they can plan accordingly. I have a couple of hours tomorrow where I will not be available. Most of the day Sunday and Monday I’ll be online waiting for picks to be sent in to me and most picks will be made in real time.

This has not been an issue in past drafts because most every GM makes their pick ahead of time. We are generally way ahead of the time slot schedule that is posted in the thread. If a GM does use the entire allotment of time or if it happens to be one of those times I’ve announced that I will be away from my computer, teams can PM me their two person list. If they care about the player, they can say they want the player in the PM regardless of salary. If the salary slot is more important, then it can be written up that way in the PM. Player A/Player B in the X slot.

No one will be forced to pick a player with a higher salary then you planned for. It is an option and a reward for the team that gets to have more options when they are on the clock. If you want to stay in your slot, you can still absolutely do that.

Can you describe a scenario where I can guarantee I pick in my slot without myself being skipped?

Lets say hoffa doesn't pick at #2. Lets say its my pick now. Are you saying I can't make my pick until someone picks ahead of me? SO would either need to have my pick skipped by Context at #4 to insure I pick #3? What if Context doesn't want to the #2 slot salary we now have to wait until Phish at #5 jumps both of us...who might be targeting the same player I am which hoffa and context weren't then I can pick but lets say Context sees you announce phish pick before me and time stamps his pick I can in theory be pick 4th or 5th if then hoffa decides to finally make his pick if I'm not on for like 6 straight hours refreshing every second?

Its all within the 3 pick rule...and I simply think that is complete manipulation of the draft. I think nearly 99% of the league (outside of maybe hoffa) wouldn't have an issue that your time slot and salary are fixed to your spot. And if you want to trade it thats fine but just sitting on the pick to get a better salary should not be allowed.

Its also not been an issue in a while since we haven't had a GM suggest he plans on manipulating the draft like Hoffa said he would.

guys dont worry im not going to skip my pick, im reckless but not foolish

thats fine and I hope you wouldn't but you did blatantly say you like a bunch of players and don't know so why not get them for cheaper? That seems like draft manipulation to me. I just want everything fair a square. Its not like in other drafts where there may be clear cut top guys so some might see value in getting there guys for less. I think you agree that seems like manipulation of the draft and I know you have had issues with bad faith stuff as well regarding throwing games. I would see this as no different.

[mpharris36]

also if you want to move up from 3 to 2 im open for business

I don't. I was offered #1...I don't have the salary

[3toheadmelo]

If Hoffa is gonna take advantage of the rule then I agree it should be changed. I wasn’t looking at it that way when I said the rule was fine.

[NewEra]

also if you want to move up from 3 to 2 im open for business

I don't. I was offered #1...I don't have the salary

Hoffa can always take Frank though

[bringbackhoffa]

1. The Hoffa Rule
2. Where Jimmy Rule

[bringbackhoffa]

also if you want to move up from 3 to 2 im open for business

I don't. I was offered #1...I don't have the salary

Hoffa can always take Frank though

or MPJr or another pick..

[mpharris36]

If Hoffa is gonna take advantage of the rule then I agree it should be changed. I wasn’t looking at it that way when I said the rule was fine.

thats what im saying. If someone is going to blatantly sit on there pick to get a cheaper salary that is bad faith.

I am all for allowing people to take there full time. I joked with hoffa taking his full 2 hours. He has every right to sit on that pick for 2 hours and look for trades or decide on what player to pick.

But if anyone purposively sits on a pick to get a cheaper salary. That is bad faith and ultimately screws the guy(s) behind him because they now have to wait to pick even during there own pick slot.

[3toheadmelo]

If Hoffa is gonna take advantage of the rule then I agree it should be changed. I wasn’t looking at it that way when I said the rule was fine.

thats what im saying. If someone is going to blatantly sit on there pick to get a cheaper salary that is bad faith.

I am all for allowing people to take there full time. I joked with hoffa taking his full 2 hours. He has every right to sit on that pick for 2 hours and look for trades or decide on what player to pick.

But if anyone purposively sits on a pick to get a cheaper salary. That is bad faith and ultimately screws the guy(s) behind him because they now have to wait to pick even during there own pick slot.

Yeah I feel you. Hoffa dumb to do that though cause he should just trade down and get assets for his pick.

[bishnykfan]

But picks get announced in real time and you just can't be here all times of the day and I get that. I would never technically know when the guy in front of me picked even during my time slot seems way out of bounds.

I have no issues with sending 2 or even 3 selections to you (I will be here during my slots that isn't my concern). But if its during my timeslot I have to assume the team above me wasn't skipped he you just didn't announce it yet? What if I wait the entire 2 hours of my time slot you still haven't made an announcement. I'm would be literally just waiting and risk myself getting skipped as well just for salary purposes? Lets say I would have to wait even after my time slot just to make sure I can make the financial commitment work?

I would vote for an immediate rule to make this changed. If Hoffa is going to play games and what even if that person says "pick is in" and lie about it...and then I make a pick during my timeslot and then find out they actually didn't to get a lower salary because they know who I may pick and wanted to wait a pick to save money.

This has to be changed bish. And the fact is NBA teams can operate over the cap to both resign there own FA"s and sign future draft picks as they please over multiple years. Are rules are very damaging for teams being over the salary cap so teams should be able to operate knowing there pick salary as long as they make there picks in there right time slot.

Picks will get announced in real time as often as possible. There will obviously be a few hours here and there where I won’t be able to get to a computer. But just like the last couple of years, I will be sure to let the people know when that will be so they can plan accordingly. I have a couple of hours tomorrow where I will not be available. Most of the day Sunday and Monday I’ll be online waiting for picks to be sent in to me and most picks will be made in real time.

This has not been an issue in past drafts because most every GM makes their pick ahead of time. We are generally way ahead of the time slot schedule that is posted in the thread. If a GM does use the entire allotment of time or if it happens to be one of those times I’ve announced that I will be away from my computer, teams can PM me their two person list. If they care about the player, they can say they want the player in the PM regardless of salary. If the salary slot is more important, then it can be written up that way in the PM. Player A/Player B in the X slot.

No one will be forced to pick a player with a higher salary then you planned for. It is an option and a reward for the team that gets to have more options when they are on the clock. If you want to stay in your slot, you can still absolutely do that.

Can you describe a scenario where I can guarantee I pick in my slot without myself being skipped?

Lets say hoffa doesn't pick at #2. Lets say its my pick now. Are you saying I can't make my pick until someone picks ahead of me? SO would either need to have my pick skipped by Context at #4 to insure I pick #3? What if Context doesn't want to the #2 slot salary we now have to wait until Phish at #5 jumps both of us...who might be targeting the same player I am which hoffa and context weren't then I can pick but lets say Context sees you announce phish pick before me and time stamps his pick I can in theory be pick 4th or 5th if then hoffa decides to finally make his pick if I'm not on for like 6 straight hours refreshing every second?

Its all within the 3 pick rule...and I simply think that is complete manipulation of the draft. I think nearly 99% of the league (outside of maybe hoffa) wouldn't have an issue that your time slot and salary are fixed to your spot. And if you want to trade it thats fine but just sitting on the pick to get a better salary should not be allowed.

Its also not been an issue in a while since we haven't had a GM suggest he plans on manipulating the draft like Hoffa said he would.

Trying to answer this but not easy on my phone at work...give me a couple hours until I’m home to respond to this.

[Manhattan Project]

Trying to answer this but not easy on my phone at work...give me a couple hours until I’m home to respond to this.

My two cents, just make it simple. You miss your pick, the penalty is missing out on the potential player you wanted. I think this is opening up a very small can of worms.

[bringbackhoffa]

relax.. i will make my pick in the allotted time should i still have said pick

[Capn'O]

It sounds to me like if a team doesn't make its pick, the teams behind them have the option to either move up to the higher pick (and salary) slot or wait it out and then pick when the original team's choice is made for them.

The teams behind the lagging team have the benefit of choice. That seems reasonable.

[Manhattan Project]

I mean... you knew what you did the moment you did it.