TGW wrote:Both teams suck. The fact that it's worth making a new thread about this tells you how much this franchise stinks.
Sorry...I'm drunk in Mexico. Excuse my poor attempt at a constructive post.
A very poor attempt
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TGW wrote:Both teams suck. The fact that it's worth making a new thread about this tells you how much this franchise stinks.
Sorry...I'm drunk in Mexico. Excuse my poor attempt at a constructive post.
nate33 wrote:TGW wrote:Both teams suck. The fact that it's worth making a new thread about this tells you how much this franchise stinks.
Sorry...I'm drunk in Mexico. Excuse my poor attempt at a constructive post.
A very poor attempt .
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
dckingsfan wrote:doclinkin wrote:dckingsfan wrote:⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ Well done...
My take is it is about the best three players. Wall < 2016; Beal > 2016; Anyone else < Porter.
Add to that the east is stronger and the league is better. So, I don't think we get the same win total.
One factor being overlooked:
Tommy >>> Ernie MF Grunfeld
So this... which means we could get someone good in the draft. And one thing I didn't say, one of the youngsters could bust out.
payitforward wrote:pcbothwel wrote:PIF.. Agreed on Otto, though you could combine Bonga + Bertans and get about the same Total minutes as Otto and have an interesting Comp due to Bonga's efficiency and defense....
I love Bonga. I liked him in the '18 draft, & I like him more now. I think he's going to be a really good player. But, no, man, no. We can't make some amalgam of Bertans & Bonga & make it look anything like Otto Porter's tip top best year.pcbothwel wrote:As for Rui (And Otto, Brown, Bryant), we can only go by what they did last year... But I think another year together in conjunction with their youth and better supporting cast lend me to believe we'll see quite an improvement.
How'd you get Otto back on the team!!
I'm very positive on Thomas Bryant & Troy Brown. Brown is a terrific prospect -- incredibly young & already significantly improved. I hope for him to become a truly outstanding NBA player in the next few years. As to Bryant, I think he's a tremendous prospect too. There's work to do, & maybe there are some defensive limitations that won't be overcome easily, but even with those I still think he's a great prospect: I wouldn't rule out an All Star game for Thomas Bryant.
Rui is just a big question mark. So far, he hasn't been good. Period. He hasn't looked like bust who can't play in the league -- not saying that! But, he hasn't looked good. I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a better 2d year better than his rookie year. Disappointed too.
But, being "better" is not the same as being "good." As soon as he's actually good, then continuing improvement will begin to mean more. If it happens.
But, none of this -- even with the most optimistic results -- amounts to saying we'll be a good team in the coming season. It would require a miracle -- more than one! -- for that to become true.
Right now, we have 6 players who really matter to the Wizards: Wall, Beal, Bryant, Brown, Bonga & Rui. We also have an interesting question mark in Garrison Mathews. 4 other guys (Wagner, Robinson, Schofield & Pasecniks) haven't shown they can play in the slightest. I'd trade Wagner for any R2 pick in this draft. I'd let Pasecniks option go without a second thought. I'd be shocked if we could get anything at all for Robinson. I'd waive Schofield & eat his salary so that he can get on with his life, because NBA player is not something he is going to be.
6 guys. That's it. Maybe 7 if we are lucky in Mathews. & we have a solid chance to re-sign Bertans. If so, 8. We also have a veteran journeyman in Ish Smith. He's not core to the team, but he'll be there this year. Plus, we have 2 draft picks. If they're both players, & if Mathews is a hit, & if we re-sign Bertans -- that's 10 guys plus Ish for a year.
I'd call that a rebuilding team.
nate33 wrote:Prompted by a post by NatP4 on Eastern Conference thread, I thought it might be worth it to bump this thread.
How do the 2021 Wizards compare with the 2017 Wizards now that we have Westbrook?
I figure Westbrook isn't quite as good as 2017 Wall (2nd team All-NBA) but he might be pretty close. 2021 Beal is better than 2017 Beal. And the rest of the supporting cast is pretty comparable except that Bertans isn't as good as Porter and the current bench is much deeper than the 2017 team.
If the 2017 Wizards won 49 games, can't the current Wizards do about the same? Or maybe even a bit better? Why are we talking about the 7th or 8th seed and not the 4th or 5th seed?
payitforward wrote:If John comes back strong & stays healthy for the season, then obviously we will win more games than this year! If he is back to his old self, his presence could easily make an 8-10 game difference.
NatP4 wrote:Wall Burke/Jennings
Beal Satoransky/Thornton
Porter Bogdanovic/Oubre
Morris Smith
Gortat Mahinmi
Westbrook Smith/Neto
Beal Brown Jr
Bonga Avdija
Hachimura Bertans
Bryant Lopez/Wagner
nate33 wrote:NatP4 wrote:Wall Burke/Jennings
Beal Satoransky/Thornton
Porter Bogdanovic/Oubre
Morris Smith
Gortat Mahinmi
Westbrook Smith/Neto
Beal Brown Jr
Bonga Avdija
Hachimura Bertans
Bryant Lopez/Wagner
I think the head-to-head player comps should go like this:
Westbrook < Wall
Beal 2021 > Beal 2017
Bertans < Porter
Hachimura = Morris
Bryant = Gortat
Ish > Burke/Jennings
Brown > Satoransky
Avdija << Bogdanovic
Bonga > Oubre
Lopez > Mahinmi/Smith
Basically, our starting lineup is a bit worse because Porter is better than Bertans, and our benches are about the same because Bogdanovic's significant superiority over Avidja probably offsets the 2021 team advantage at every other bench position.
deneem4 wrote:Ish might get 6th man if the year if Bertans comes off the bench
Not going to go into the other aspects of the team... but ish is a very underrated bucket who should do well coming behind Westbrook and beal