2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

[robillionaire]

Remember 10 days ago when Trump supporters were saying that the notion of Democrats possibly adding justices to the Supreme Court would pretty much turn the country against them and end Biden's candidacy?

What happened to that?

It went the same way of Biden has dementia, Biden’s hiding in his basement and all the other right wing bull. It’s like a pyramid scheme of lies and misinformation

Well, it’s not like Joe hasn’t had his moments where you just had to cringe. But he’s been much better lately. No more challenging voter to push up contests or calling them horse-faced or whatever Joe called that woman.

Let’s not dwell on the past

I don’t think anybody really cares what he says and does at this point other than increasingly desperate trump supporters trying to peddle scandals. He did his part of not being a disaster and despite his gaffes and stumbles he looks like a functional enough human being, so now it looks like we have a trump referendum which imo was the goal of the campaign and they succeeded making it that. now let’s see how it turns out.

[BallSacBounce]

As I understand it, Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans in total across the country. The electoral college,gerrymandering and voter suppression is what has saved them.

The last Gallup poll had it 28%/27% people who identify as Republicans/Democrats. First time we have led since 2004. You guys are in for a really rude awakening.

Just so you know, it's a higher chance of registered Republicans that would vote against the resident vs. registered Democrats who would vote against Biden in this election. So I would hold on to that statement for now.

Just so you know, you're absolutely wrong.

[BallSacBounce]

As I understand it, Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans in total across the country. The electoral college,gerrymandering and voter suppression is what has saved them.

The last Gallup poll had it 28%/27% people who identify as Republicans/Democrats. First time we have led since 2004. You guys are in for a really rude awakening.

And 42% Independents! Go figure.

People are fed up with party bull.

They are desperate for some good governance and they don't see it happening.

[BallSacBounce]

The last Gallup poll had it 28%/27% people who identify as Republicans/Democrats. First time we have led since 2004. You guys are in for a really rude awakening.

And 42% Independents! Go figure.

My comment wasn't completely clear:

Early voting across America is heavily Democrating over Republican.

You must mean VBM.

In Early Voting Trump is ahead. Hell he's even as of yesterday 1,100 votes ahead in Miami-Dade!

Altogether, still way behind. Then again that's expected every election it doesn't mean it ends that way. 2016 Trump in North Carolina was down by 7% going into election day and won by 3%.

[BallSacBounce]

Jamie Harrison is up 2 points on Lindsey Graham.

Great. I'll gladly give you Lindsey if we can get John James in.

[robillionaire]

It’s been an hour and half, no end in sight

[Pointgod]

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[Clyde_Style]

Remember 10 days ago when Trump supporters were saying that the notion of Democrats possibly adding justices to the Supreme Court would pretty much turn the country against them and end Biden's candidacy?

What happened to that?

They’ve gone on to “emails” and “fracking” and “chumps” I guess in the hope that something sticks lol


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Yup they’re like monkeys throwing feces and hoping something sticks. But as usual facts don’t care about right wing feelings.

Read on Twitter

It's like that every time BallSacBounce shows up. You know they're going to post nothing but lies and BS. Plus boasts of imminent doom for Biden. These people are ridiculous

Oh, and sometimes, like yesterday where they admitted they don't give a chit about the dead so far, they slip and show their full unmitigated true self which is truly ugly and mendacious. In their heart of hearts, we are all just collateral in their war. They don't care if any of us live or die as long as they get to have Trump in office

[omerome]

The last Gallup poll had it 28%/27% people who identify as Republicans/Democrats. First time we have led since 2004. You guys are in for a really rude awakening.

Just so you know, it's a higher chance of registered Republicans that would vote against the resident vs. registered Democrats who would vote against Biden in this election. So I would hold on to that statement for now.

Just so you know, you're absolutely wrong.

How am I wrong? Can you provide any evidence to back up your claim?

There's a reason why a high voter turnout is something the Republican party doesn't want. More people voting usually means they will lose. It's why that if they can't outright use voter suppression tactics like limiting polling places for minorities or limiting only one place to drop off an absentee ballot, they will instead depress voters to keep them from voting altogether.

Here's a snippet from a Mother Jones article about Mitch McConnell's opposition to something like making Election Day a holiday so more people are able to vote:

Democrats have long accused Republicans of restricting access to the ballot because Republicans are likelier to win when fewer people vote. On Wednesday, the GOP leader in the Senate appeared to admit that they’re right.

On the Senate floor, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced his opposition to a relatively uncontroversial measure that would make Election Day a federal holiday in order to make it easier for people to get to the polls. He called it a “power grab” that would help Democrats win elections.

“Just what America needs, another paid holiday and a bunch of government workers being paid to go out and work for, I assume, our folks—our colleagues on the other side, on their campaigns,” McConnell said. “This is the Democrat plan to restore democracy? A brand-new week of paid vacation for every federal employee who would like to hover around while you cast your ballot?”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/01/mitch-mcconnell-admits-that-republicans-lose-when-more-people-vote/

Another aspect is more simple. The pandemic we're all facing. It is not just affecting Democrats. It is affecting Repulicans, Independants and the non-voters as well. This virus doesn't care what your politican afflication is and if you are registered as a Republican and someone close to you died orsaw how the current administration handled the pandemic, it is likely you are going to be pissed off and might not vote for the resident in the White House.


Here's a transcript from NPR stating why many white voters, who in many cases were life-long Republicans that will not vote Republican now.

HENKEL: One guy said he's been voting Republican for over 40 years, but he doesn't think he could go back to being a Republican because of the way they're thinking and the way they're supporting Trump.

CORNISH: Pan Henkel spoke to NPR's Sam Gringlas. He's been talking to white voters in battleground states who aren't voting for Trump this year.

Hey there, Sam.

SAM GRINGLAS, BYLINE: Hey, Audie.

CORNISH: So we've just hit Wisconsin. What's next?

GRINGLAS: OK. So let's hop across the lake to suburban Michigan now because don't forget; when we talk about white voters, we're not just talking about blue-collar voters. We're talking about wealthier suburban voters too, like Nancy Strohl (ph).

NANCY STROHL: I voted for Barry Goldwater, so I've been around a long time.

GRINGLAS: She lives in this exurban part of Oakland County. And it's a place that used to be pretty Republican, think Mitt Romney-type Republican. But it's been getting a lot bluer over the last few years. Strohl had voted Republican for a really long time.

STROHL: I could not bring myself to vote for Trump. I just couldn't.

GRINGLAS: In 2018, she actually started volunteering for the Democratic candidate for Congress who ended up flipping the seat blue. And when Strohl went door-knocking that year, it was often women who would step outside, shut the door a little bit and say they were going to support the Democrat.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/22/926809331/why-more-white-voters-may-not-support-trump-in-2020

Here's a list of prominent Republicans who have publically stated they will not vote for the resident in the White House. Do you really think this will not have any effect on people to second guess their vote? Many of these people are respected in the party and again, going back to the pandemic, it is clear this country is being led by incompetence.

Not voting for Trump:

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker: "The governor cannot support Donald Trump for president and is focused on seeing Massachusetts through the pandemic. He’ll leave the election analysis to the pundits," a spokesperson said.

Vermont Gov. Phil Scott: He has been a vocal critic of the president, supporting House Democrats' impeachment inquiry and saying earlier this year Trump “shouldn’t be in office." He reaffirmed this summer that he will not support Trump in November.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan: The frequent Trump critic said that he cast a write-in vote for former President Ronald Reagan because he "thought it was important to just cast a vote that showed the kind of person I’d like to see in office."

Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah): The party's 2012 presidential nominee said in February that he will not support Trump shortly after he voted to convict the president on one count in his impeachment trial.

John Bolton: Trump's former national security adviser said he will not vote for Biden or Trump and hopes that history remembers Trump "as a one-term president."

William H. McRaven: McRaven, who led the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, has publicly criticized the president. He told The New York Times, "This fall, it's time for a new leadership in this country — Republican, Democrat or independent."

Voting for Biden:

Colin Powell: The former secretary of state under George W. Bush and retired four-star general said that he will support Biden because he believes that Trump has "drifted away" from the Constitution.

Carly Fiorina: The 2016 presidential candidate said she will support Biden because she believes he is "a person of humility and empathy and character," per The Atlantic.

John Kasich: The former Ohio governor and 2016 presidential candidate is not only endorsing Biden, but also speaking at the DNC to support the former vice president.

Rick Snyder: The former Michigan governor said he will vote for Biden because "Trump lacks a moral compass" and "ignores the truth."

Jeff Flake: The former Arizona senator said in April he would vote for Biden instead of Trump, per CNN.

Miles Taylor: The former Department of Homeland Security chief of staff officially endorsed Biden saying, "Even though I'm not a Democrat, even though I disagree on key issues, I'm confident that Joe Biden will protect the country."

Tom Ridge: The former Pennsylvania governor said he would be voting for Biden, writing in the Philadelphia Inquirer, "I believe the responsible vote is for Joe Biden...It’s time to put country over party. It’s time to dismiss Donald Trump."

Cindy McCain: The widow of the late Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) lent her voice to a video about her husband's friendship with Biden that aired during the Democratic National Convention and formally endorsed the former vice president in September, calling him the "candidate in this race who stands up for our values as a nation."

Marc Racicot: The former Montana governor and former chair of the Republican National Committee announced that he would vote for Biden, citing his character and noting that it was "more important than any other issue."

Michael Steele: The former chair of the Republican National Committee wrote for NBC News that he was supporting Biden because the 2020 election is "about the course of a nation and the character of her people reflected in the leader they choose."

On the fence:

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska): Murkowski, one of Trump's consistent foils in the Senate, said that she was "struggling" to support the president's re-election after James Mattis, the former defense secretary, issued a public rebuke.
Undecided publicly, but skeptical, via a New York Times report:

George W. Bush: The former president has reportedly decided not to support Trump's re-election, though he's made no public statements to that end.

Jeb Bush: The former Florida governor and 2016 presidential candidate is so far reportedly undecided.

https://www.axios.com/republicans-not-voting-for-trump-in-2020-9e2f02fa-0f36-418d-bedd-ed53181dd99c.html

Bottom line is, there are a lot of upset people out there and the resident is acting like this isn't his responsibility. He's pretending like he's still the outsider he claimed to be back in 2015 when he has been the president for the past four years. This is his mess and an unfortunate fact many voters, both Democrat and Republican are fully aware of.

[BKlutch]

Yesterday, I wrote how many people were voting early in NYC. Today, Sunday morning at 8:30 am, I was there again hoping to catch a bus. At first, I was shocked by what I thought was an unbelievably long line for the bus...

Until I saw that these were voting lines over 3 blocks long for the 10 am start to early voting! 90 minutes early, so the lines by 10 am will problably be blocks longer.

BlueVoting is catching on like wildfire!

I've never seen such energy and enthusiasm. Voting has never been taken so seriously and been such a personal issue as it is now. 93,000 people voted early yesterday, on only the first day of early voting.

I don't believe any of the polls have captured this enthusiasm. People thought there wouldn't be any enthusiasm for Biden, right? Well, guess again, folks. People do care about taking America back.

BlueVoting Wildfire!

Unfortunately, these votes in California or NY don't count as much as those in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan

This is a complete waste of my time, let’s be honest. At least as it pertains to electoral college. But I think it’s important to cast a vote against fascism even if it’s just to show how deeply unpopular this regime is here.

The more we vote the more others will be inspired in other states to vote. The larger the popular vote, the more secure the results will be!

[Pointgod]

They’ve gone on to “emails” and “fracking” and “chumps” I guess in the hope that something sticks lol


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Yup they’re like monkeys throwing feces and hoping something sticks. But as usual facts don’t care about right wing feelings.

Read on Twitter

It's like that every time BallSacBounce shows up. You know they're going to post nothing but lies and BS. Plus boasts of imminent doom for Biden. These people are ridiculous

Oh, and sometimes, like yesterday where they admitted they don't give a chit about the dead so far, they slip and show their full unmitigated true self which is truly ugly and mendacious. In their heart of hearts, we are all just collateral in their war. They don't care if any of us live or die as long as they get to have Trump in office

If you follow right wing twitter you’d understand why people like BallSacBounce exist. They’re steadily fed with a tornado of misinformation and bull ****. In their world literally everything Trump does is great, there’s going to be some great Trump turnout the last day of the election, covid doesn’t exist etc. They’ll never acknowledge that the entire right wing media is all a grift to get money and politically protect Republican donors. It’s scary the propaganda that comes not only from disreputable sources, but official GOP sources.

[Phish Tank]

Yup they’re like monkeys throwing feces and hoping something sticks. But as usual facts don’t care about right wing feelings.

Read on Twitter

It's like that every time BallSacBounce shows up. You know they're going to post nothing but lies and BS. Plus boasts of imminent doom for Biden. These people are ridiculous

Oh, and sometimes, like yesterday where they admitted they don't give a chit about the dead so far, they slip and show their full unmitigated true self which is truly ugly and mendacious. In their heart of hearts, we are all just collateral in their war. They don't care if any of us live or die as long as they get to have Trump in office

If you follow right wing twitter you’d understand why people like BallSacBounce exist. They’re steadily fed with a tornado of misinformation and bull ****. In their world literally everything Trump does is great, there’s going to be some great Trump turnout the last day of the election, covid doesn’t exist etc. They’ll never acknowledge that the entire right wing media is all a grift to get money and politically protect Republican donors. It’s scary the propaganda that comes not only from disreputable sources, but official GOP sources.

right wing twitter = pro-genocide, pro-dictatorship twitter

[Clyde_Style]

Yup they’re like monkeys throwing feces and hoping something sticks. But as usual facts don’t care about right wing feelings.

Read on Twitter

It's like that every time BallSacBounce shows up. You know they're going to post nothing but lies and BS. Plus boasts of imminent doom for Biden. These people are ridiculous

Oh, and sometimes, like yesterday where they admitted they don't give a chit about the dead so far, they slip and show their full unmitigated true self which is truly ugly and mendacious. In their heart of hearts, we are all just collateral in their war. They don't care if any of us live or die as long as they get to have Trump in office

If you follow right wing twitter you’d understand why people like BallSacBounce exist. They’re steadily fed with a tornado of misinformation and bull ****. In their world literally everything Trump does is great, there’s going to be some great Trump turnout the last day of the election, covid doesn’t exist etc. They’ll never acknowledge that the entire right wing media is all a grift to get money and politically protect Republican donors. It’s scary the propaganda that comes not only from disreputable sources, but official GOP sources.

And the irony is these are the people, Qidiots and internal GOP lunatics alike, who are killing the GOP.

We're seeing that a significant number of lifelong Republicans are not on board with this derp state fantasy world and they are abandoning the party this election.

So all of these loons who chirp whatever absurb trash they are fed are accelerating the demise of the party they ostensibly belong to. They are the fungus eating the centipede and pretty soon they may be inhabiting the lifeless husk of a political party they consumed from within and find out they are not only very much a minority, but also increasingly seen by other Americans as a national embarrassment.

Since these people are at this point basically psychotic and devoid of the emotion of shame, I expect the most rabid ones to be incapable of the introspection to understand what they did to themselves. And what that means is a faction of Americans will internalize their loss and marginalization as PROOF they were right, that they and Trump are the victims of the derp state and they will radicalize further. But at that point they will increasingly lack political representation and will implode into actual insanity or terrorism.

But this Trump era will not reflect well on any of them and if the GOP caters to this lunatic element past this election it will usher in the actual collapse of the whole Republican party. If there is a distancing within the GOP from these Trump extremists they may survive as a party. We'll have to see how they play it after this November, but clearly they are losing bigly this time based on hitching their fortunes to the biggest piece of human trash America has ever elected to high office.

[Clyde_Style]

Read on Twitter

Reason # 1,327 why if you vote for Trump you will never be my friend

[omerome]

It's like that every time BallSacBounce shows up. You know they're going to post nothing but lies and BS. Plus boasts of imminent doom for Biden. These people are ridiculous

Oh, and sometimes, like yesterday where they admitted they don't give a chit about the dead so far, they slip and show their full unmitigated true self which is truly ugly and mendacious. In their heart of hearts, we are all just collateral in their war. They don't care if any of us live or die as long as they get to have Trump in office

If you follow right wing twitter you’d understand why people like BallSacBounce exist. They’re steadily fed with a tornado of misinformation and bull ****. In their world literally everything Trump does is great, there’s going to be some great Trump turnout the last day of the election, covid doesn’t exist etc. They’ll never acknowledge that the entire right wing media is all a grift to get money and politically protect Republican donors. It’s scary the propaganda that comes not only from disreputable sources, but official GOP sources.

And the irony is these are the people, Qidiots and internal GOP lunatics alike, who are killing the GOP.

We're seeing that a significant number of lifelong Republicans are not on board with this derp state fantasy world and they are abandoning the party this election.

So all of these loons who chirp whatever absurb trash they are fed are accelerating the demise of the party they ostensibly belong to. They are the fungus eating the centipede and pretty soon they may be inhabiting the lifeless husk of a political party they consumed from within and find out they are not only very much a minority, but also increasingly seen by other Americans as a national embarrassment.

Since these people are at this point basically psychotic and devoid of the emotion of shame, I expect the most rabid ones to be incapable of the introspection to understand what they did to themselves. And what that means is a faction of Americans will internalize their loss and marginalization as PROOF they were right, that they and Trump are the victims of the derp state and they will radicalize further. But at that point they will increasingly lack political representation and will implode into actual insanity or terrorism.

But this Trump era will not reflect well on any of them and if the GOP caters to this lunatic element past this election it will usher in the actual collapse of the whole Republican party. If there is a distancing within the GOP from these Trump extremists they may survive as a party. We'll have to see how they play it after this November, but clearly they are losing bigly this time based on hitching their fortunes to the biggest piece of human trash America has ever elected to high office.

If Biden wins and the Republicans lose big, you will be seeing a lot of people suddenly have amnesia about voting for Trump. Not only will I be keeping names, but I will be throwing it back in their faces if they decide to claim this mess was never theirs (or his) and it was always the Democrats.

It really is a stupid annoying cycle. Republicans create many policies that destroy the economy or the environment and then the Democrats try to create policies to try to clean things up. But they (Democrats) don't have enough time for many of those policies to fully implement and people cry and complain that we need change and around and around we go. It's just ridiculous.

[Pointgod]

Unfortunately, these votes in California or NY don't count as much as those in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan

This is a complete waste of my time, let’s be honest. At least as it pertains to electoral college. But I think it’s important to cast a vote against fascism even if it’s just to show how deeply unpopular this regime is here.

The more we vote the more others will be inspired in other states to vote. The larger the popular vote, the more secure the results will be!

The only reason Republicans win is that people don’t vote. And this can be applied to some of the purple and red states. Voting is never a waste of time and this election is the perfect storm of circumstances where enough disaffected Republicans, high Democratic voter turnout and Independents swinging to Biden in large numbers could show some surprising Democratic wins in Red States. But if you stay at home then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

[robillionaire]

2.5 hours in, no end of the line in sight

For reference, in 2016 when I voted on Election Day in NYC there was no line and it took 5 minutes tops

[omerome]

2.5 hours in, no end of the line in sight

For reference, in 2016 when I voted on Election Day in NYC there was no line and it took 5 minutes tops

Hang in there and thank you for voting.

[Clyde_Style]

If you follow right wing twitter you’d understand why people like BallSacBounce exist. They’re steadily fed with a tornado of misinformation and bull ****. In their world literally everything Trump does is great, there’s going to be some great Trump turnout the last day of the election, covid doesn’t exist etc. They’ll never acknowledge that the entire right wing media is all a grift to get money and politically protect Republican donors. It’s scary the propaganda that comes not only from disreputable sources, but official GOP sources.

And the irony is these are the people, Qidiots and internal GOP lunatics alike, who are killing the GOP.

We're seeing that a significant number of lifelong Republicans are not on board with this derp state fantasy world and they are abandoning the party this election.

So all of these loons who chirp whatever absurb trash they are fed are accelerating the demise of the party they ostensibly belong to. They are the fungus eating the centipede and pretty soon they may be inhabiting the lifeless husk of a political party they consumed from within and find out they are not only very much a minority, but also increasingly seen by other Americans as a national embarrassment.

Since these people are at this point basically psychotic and devoid of the emotion of shame, I expect the most rabid ones to be incapable of the introspection to understand what they did to themselves. And what that means is a faction of Americans will internalize their loss and marginalization as PROOF they were right, that they and Trump are the victims of the derp state and they will radicalize further. But at that point they will increasingly lack political representation and will implode into actual insanity or terrorism.

But this Trump era will not reflect well on any of them and if the GOP caters to this lunatic element past this election it will usher in the actual collapse of the whole Republican party. If there is a distancing within the GOP from these Trump extremists they may survive as a party. We'll have to see how they play it after this November, but clearly they are losing bigly this time based on hitching their fortunes to the biggest piece of human trash America has ever elected to high office.

If Biden wins and the Republicans lose big, you will be seeing a lot of people suddenly have amnesia about voting for Trump. Not only will I be keeping names, but I will be throwing it back in their faces if they decide to claim this mess was never theirs (or his) and it was always the Democrats.

It really is a stupid annoying cycle. Republicans create many policies that destroy the economy or the environment and then the Democrats try to create policies to try to clean things up. But they (Democrats) don't have enough time for many of those policies to fully implement and people cry and complain that we need change and around and around we go. It's just ridiculous.

If America is going to survive this, if democracy is going to continue in any functional form, then we'll have to knock off this complacency and show up to vote for the rest of our lives. This all happened because people stayed home thinking Hillary had it in the bag. I don't care if you liked Clinton or want Biden, the reality is the Democrats can't represent any of us and enact legislation and make it stick if we just roll over and let the GOP savage us in alternating election cycles. They are people with no scruples or fcks left to give and the next time they take power, if that happens again, if we let them, will be the end of the line.

This is our last chance to get it right and that means making the Democratic Party in our image, which is a melting pot, a coalition and a consensus of differing political orientations. That means centrists and leftists all need to push fascism so far off the menu that the Democrats can actually begin to represent us and ensure the longevity of a democratic system. If we fall back into petty factionalism again, the Nazis will take advantage of it.

We need to learn our lesson and stay vigilant and stop pretending this is the one time you'll vote for a Democrat with your fingers over your nose. We need to work together for more than one election cycle to get momentum in the right direction and to crush the fascists forever. Not once, but repeatedly.

[Clyde_Style]

2.5 hours in, no end of the line in sight

For reference, in 2016 when I voted on Election Day in NYC there was no line and it took 5 minutes tops

Like all of us who have or are voting early, we're doing our part to make sure the obstructionists won't be able to sabotage the vote on election day. The lines are long now so that they won't be long on November 3rd. And that is a blow against the cheaters so it is worth it.