Clippers roster, what's next?

[esqtvd]

You could of played Green with Noah and even Green struggled with Jokic because he was trying to check him when Trez couldn’t and still the bench flopped

The entire point of playing Green and having him body Jokic, is to downsize and stretch him and the rest of the Nuggets defense out to the perimeter. Dropping Noah into that group doesnt make much sense. Even if you think he can defend Jokic, why not just play Zu, whom actually proved he could make a defensive impact, more?

zu needed to rest here and there and perhaps had foul trouble( I can’t remember now)

We didn't lose Game 7 at the 5. Jokic only scored 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13 shooting. Trezz scored 20 on 7-10 in 26 minutes. Green played 24 minutes [11 points], Zubac 14 [6].


The reason we lost was because Kawhi and PG were 10-38 [22%]. We lost because Kawhi scored 0 points in the 4th quarter. Because PG scored 0 points in the 4th quarter, a combined 0-10.

This is what posterity needs to remember. In fact we've already forgot. There is NO example in NBA history to match this.


https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401242800

[Roscoe Sheed]

The entire point of playing Green and having him body Jokic, is to downsize and stretch him and the rest of the Nuggets defense out to the perimeter. Dropping Noah into that group doesnt make much sense. Even if you think he can defend Jokic, why not just play Zu, whom actually proved he could make a defensive impact, more?

zu needed to rest here and there and perhaps had foul trouble( I can’t remember now)

We didn't lose Game 7 at the 5. Jokic only scored 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13 shooting. Trezz scored 20 on 7-10 in 26 minutes. Green played 24 minutes [11 points], Zubac 14 [6].


The reason we lost was because Kawhi and PG were 10-38 [22%]. We lost because Kawhi scored 0 points in the 4th quarter. Because PG scored 0 points in the 4th quarter, a combined 0-10.

This is what posterity needs to remember. In fact we've already forgot. There is NO example in NBA history to match this.


https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401242800

True for game 7 but they also blew games 5 and 6.

Murray played well toward the end of the series, but we all know Jokic gave the clippers a lot of problems and compromised their defense consistently

[esqtvd]

zu needed to rest here and there and perhaps had foul trouble( I can’t remember now)

We didn't lose Game 7 at the 5. Jokic only scored 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13 shooting. Trezz scored 20 on 7-10 in 26 minutes. Green played 24 minutes [11 points], Zubac 14 [6].


The reason we lost was because Kawhi and PG were 10-38 [22%]. We lost because Kawhi scored 0 points in the 4th quarter. Because PG scored 0 points in the 4th quarter, a combined 0-10.

This is what posterity needs to remember. In fact we've already forgot. There is NO example in NBA history to match this.


https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401242800

True for game 7 but they also blew games 5 and 6.

Murray played well toward the end of the series, but we all know Jokic gave the clippers a lot of problems and compromised their defense consistently

Acknowledged, but it's not worth dissecting Games 5 and 6. Zubac played 30 minutes in each. Trezz played around 15. The narrative is garbage.


Game 7 is winning time. Championship time. Many champions have been taken to a Game 7.


There are excuses and then there are reasons. Games 5 and 6 are excuses.

We didn't lose Game 7 at the 5. Jokic only scored 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13 shooting. Trezz scored 20 on 7-10 in 26 minutes. Green played 24 minutes [11 points], Zubac 14 [6].

The reason we lost was because Kawhi and PG were 10-38 [22%]. We lost because Kawhi scored 0 points in the 4th quarter. Because PG scored 0 points in the 4th quarter, a combined 0-10.

...

There is NO example in NBA history to match this.

No team ever survived such a gutless collapse by its two main players in NBA history. It's time to face the fact.

[jengmann3]

I agree that PG and Kawhi had a terrible Game 7. You have to hope that motivates them, and they learn that you simply can't perform like that in a series clinching game as the team's best players. Its fair criticism and I agree with the point 100%. I just think in Game 7's anything can happen. It's like the 2016 Warriors. People did kill Steph for his performance in Game 7, but it was fair to acknowledge that Draymond's suspension and Bogut's injury were key contributors to them losing as well. Similarly, 2016 Thunder, I blamed KD for the loss, but he actually played fine in Game 7. I blame him for playing horribly in Game 6 at home, which he shot like 10-30something and legit just looked off. 2019,

And I agree that offensively the Clips were bad in the second half of Games 5-7 but I do think it was in part because of foul trouble and taking the ball out because of their terrible defense.

I guess when I think about what's next with this team, I just hope that they will live up to the defensive identity/vision people had when they put them together. I thought they struggled in the playoffs defending not only point guards (Murray, Luka) and centers (KP, Jokic), but also those small/quick guards (Trey burke, Seth Curry, Monte Morris). Granted Patrick Beverly was not 100 % but he struggled even in the minutes that he played. I know Kawhi is in a lot of elite conversations, but I don't love asking him to facilitate, be the best scorer, and primary defender on every elite player (dude was guarding Jokic a lot in game 7). I'm interested in seeing the direction the team goes in the offseason at PF and point guard, because both positions will be key in trying to fine tune their defense.

[TheNewEra]

We didn't lose Game 7 at the 5. Jokic only scored 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13 shooting. Trezz scored 20 on 7-10 in 26 minutes. Green played 24 minutes [11 points], Zubac 14 [6].


The reason we lost was because Kawhi and PG were 10-38 [22%]. We lost because Kawhi scored 0 points in the 4th quarter. Because PG scored 0 points in the 4th quarter, a combined 0-10.

This is what posterity needs to remember. In fact we've already forgot. There is NO example in NBA history to match this.


https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401242800

True for game 7 but they also blew games 5 and 6.

Murray played well toward the end of the series, but we all know Jokic gave the clippers a lot of problems and compromised their defense consistently

Acknowledged, but it's not worth dissecting Games 5 and 6. Zubac played 30 minutes in each. Trezz played around 15. The narrative is garbage.


Game 7 is winning time. Championship time. Many champions have been taken to a Game 7.


There are excuses and then there are reasons. Games 5 and 6 are excuses.

We didn't lose Game 7 at the 5. Jokic only scored 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13 shooting. Trezz scored 20 on 7-10 in 26 minutes. Green played 24 minutes [11 points], Zubac 14 [6].

The reason we lost was because Kawhi and PG were 10-38 [22%]. We lost because Kawhi scored 0 points in the 4th quarter. Because PG scored 0 points in the 4th quarter, a combined 0-10.

...

There is NO example in NBA history to match this.

No team ever survived such a gutless collapse by its two main players in NBA history. It's time to face the fact.

Whenever Harrell touched the floor he was a net negative anchor that hurt the team and whether you want to admit it or not he cost us the series. We had a lead in game 7 and after some BS early points he came in the second quarter and killed momentum AGAIN. He should of never received minutes and Frank Vogel would of benched him for the betterment of the team

[esqtvd]

True for game 7 but they also blew games 5 and 6.

Murray played well toward the end of the series, but we all know Jokic gave the clippers a lot of problems and compromised their defense consistently

Acknowledged, but it's not worth dissecting Games 5 and 6. Zubac played 30 minutes in each. Trezz played around 15. The narrative is garbage.


Game 7 is winning time. Championship time. Many champions have been taken to a Game 7.


There are excuses and then there are reasons. Games 5 and 6 are excuses.

We didn't lose Game 7 at the 5. Jokic only scored 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13 shooting. Trezz scored 20 on 7-10 in 26 minutes. Green played 24 minutes [11 points], Zubac 14 [6].

The reason we lost was because Kawhi and PG were 10-38 [22%]. We lost because Kawhi scored 0 points in the 4th quarter. Because PG scored 0 points in the 4th quarter, a combined 0-10.

...

There is NO example in NBA history to match this.

No team ever survived such a gutless collapse by its two main players in NBA history. It's time to face the fact.

Whenever Harrell touched the floor he was a net negative anchor that hurt the team and whether you want to admit it or not he cost us the series. We had a lead in game 7 and after some BS early points he came in the second quarter and killed momentum AGAIN. He should of never received minutes and Frank Vogel would of benched him for the betterment of the team

OK let's review:


Trezz scored 20 points in 26 minutes in Game 7 on 7-10 shooting. Jokic was held to 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Not our 2 highest-paid superstars who scored 22 points COMBINED in 82 minutes and ZERO points in the 4th quarter COMBINED on 0-10 shooting with 3 turnovers. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Provably the most disgusting performance in a Game 7 by a superstar in NBA history---let alone TWO. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

[TheNewEra]

Acknowledged, but it's not worth dissecting Games 5 and 6. Zubac played 30 minutes in each. Trezz played around 15. The narrative is garbage.


Game 7 is winning time. Championship time. Many champions have been taken to a Game 7.


There are excuses and then there are reasons. Games 5 and 6 are excuses.






No team ever survived such a gutless collapse by its two main players in NBA history. It's time to face the fact.

Whenever Harrell touched the floor he was a net negative anchor that hurt the team and whether you want to admit it or not he cost us the series. We had a lead in game 7 and after some BS early points he came in the second quarter and killed momentum AGAIN. He should of never received minutes and Frank Vogel would of benched him for the betterment of the team

OK let's review:


Trezz scored 20 points in 26 minutes in Game 7 on 7-10 shooting. Jokic was held to 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Not our 2 highest-paid superstars who scored 22 points COMBINED in 82 minutes and ZERO points in the 4th quarter COMBINED on 0-10 shooting with 3 turnovers. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Provably the most disgusting performance in a Game 7 by a superstar in NBA history---let alone TWO. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Game 7 / 2nd quarter 4:12 left in the quarter
Clippers lead 51-41
Harrell checks in for Green we end the quarter up by 2.

I don’t care if Zubac and Green both got COVID you don’t play with fire with the minutes of Harrell. Those big negative swings with leads that demoralize the team and we can’t stop the bleeding no matter what because we don’t have the focus or leadership. Kawhi and PG could of been better but there is no was of getting around the deflated feeling of the late second quarter

I posted it on Twitter those early 12 points by Harrell in the first half.We fell into fools gold because Doc will lean in with heavy minutes and we are about to get waxed.

[NickP]

Whenever Harrell touched the floor he was a net negative anchor that hurt the team and whether you want to admit it or not he cost us the series. We had a lead in game 7 and after some BS early points he came in the second quarter and killed momentum AGAIN. He should of never received minutes and Frank Vogel would of benched him for the betterment of the team

OK let's review:


Trezz scored 20 points in 26 minutes in Game 7 on 7-10 shooting. Jokic was held to 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Not our 2 highest-paid superstars who scored 22 points COMBINED in 82 minutes and ZERO points in the 4th quarter COMBINED on 0-10 shooting with 3 turnovers. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Provably the most disgusting performance in a Game 7 by a superstar in NBA history---let alone TWO. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Game 7 / 2nd quarter 4:12 left in the quarter
Clippers lead 51-41
Harrell checks in for Green we end the quarter up by 2.

I don’t care if Zubac and Green both got COVID you don’t play with fire with the minutes of Harrell. Those big negative swings with leads that demoralize the team and we can’t stop the bleeding no matter what because we don’t have the focus or leadership. Kawhi and PG could of been better but there is no was of getting around the deflated feeling of the late second quarter

I posted it on Twitter those early 12 points by Harrell in the first half.We fell into fools gold because Doc will lean in with heavy minutes and we are about to get waxed.

Your post is right on the money but i fully expect the resident Doc apologist to come to Doc's rescue.

[esqtvd]

Whenever Harrell touched the floor he was a net negative anchor that hurt the team and whether you want to admit it or not he cost us the series. We had a lead in game 7 and after some BS early points he came in the second quarter and killed momentum AGAIN. He should of never received minutes and Frank Vogel would of benched him for the betterment of the team

OK let's review:


Trezz scored 20 points in 26 minutes in Game 7 on 7-10 shooting. Jokic was held to 16 points in 40 minutes on 5-13. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Not our 2 highest-paid superstars who scored 22 points COMBINED in 82 minutes and ZERO points in the 4th quarter COMBINED on 0-10 shooting with 3 turnovers. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Provably the most disgusting performance in a Game 7 by a superstar in NBA history---let alone TWO. But our 7th-highest paid player cost us the series.

Game 7 / 2nd quarter 4:12 left in the quarter
Clippers lead 51-41
Harrell checks in for Green we end the quarter up by 2.

I don’t care if Zubac and Green both got COVID you don’t play with fire with the minutes of Harrell. Those big negative swings with leads that demoralize the team and we can’t stop the bleeding no matter what because we don’t have the focus or leadership. Kawhi and PG could of been better but there is no was of getting around the deflated feeling of the late second quarter

I posted it on Twitter those early 12 points by Harrell in the first half.We fell into fools gold because Doc will lean in with heavy minutes and we are about to get waxed.

The narrative dies hard. The worst Game 7 performance in NBA HISTORY by TWO superstars and still harping on Trezz. You can cherry-pick that one stretch in the 2nd quarter but the scoreboard says Trezz was minus-8 in 26 minutes; Zubac was minus-10 in only 14.

But I do really appreciate you showing up with fresh facts and arguments in every post, instead of just trying to shout me down. That's how this is supposed to work.


Trezz showed up for Game 7. Kawhi and PG didn't. Everything else is excuses.

[KL2]

Trade season begins Monday noon eastern so maybe we’ll see if the Clippers have anything lined up yet.

[nickhx2]

i like that thus far rumors have been relatively quiet, aside from outlandish nonsense like westbrook coming to LA.

not that anyone knows for sure what's going to happen, but if the team was willing to excise doc, i expect they'll be jettisoning harrell as well. this offseason should be about taking out the trash.

[NickP]

i like that thus far rumors have been relatively quiet, aside from outlandish nonsense like westbrook coming to LA.

not that anyone knows for sure what's going to happen, but if the team was willing to excise doc, i expect they'll be jettisoning harrell as well. this offseason should be about taking out the trash.

Exactly. Time to clean up the trash. Let's start with Trez.

[KL2]

Unless OKC is rerouting Rubio to us he’s off the table now.

[nickhx2]

rubio was certainly one of my hopes, but seems like we'll have to be looking elsewhere for PG help.

[MartinToVaught]

OKC might end up flipping Rubio for more assets. On the other hand, I'd rather not see our front office get fleeced by Presti again, this time for a player who's realistically just okay.

[KL2]

Not sure how reliable Berman is but ...

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[MartinToVaught]

Meh. There's no way we could match how much the Suns gave up for him, and at the end of the day, he's an injury-prone 35-year-old with one of the worst contracts in the league and a weak playoff resume. I had seen more than enough of CP3 by the last season of Lob City and I'm totally fine with him not coming back.

I suspect the Suns will be joining the Clippers and Rockets in the "Fleeced by Presti" Club.

[Captain Ballmer]

Presti should resign and start new a career on finance, become a fund manager-professional trader.

[Wammy Giveaway]

With the Suns acquiring Paul instead, Pheonix has become relevant again. They're guaranteed a playoff spot. But it also provides the Clippers with a major test: defeating somebody they truly loved.

Also, note this: the Clipper's first ever 2nd round appearance had them losing to the Suns in 7 games. The year they had Brand-Cassell could be considered their best playoff performance ever, just because they man-handled the Nuggets in the 1st round needing only five games, whereas the new-look Clippers needed all seven games to win their 1st round series, and had frequent, if not uncharacteristic, meltdowns in the most inopportune of times. Maybe having to face their former true savior on the first 2nd round opponent they've ever lost to (not counting Buffalo Brave days) could be what motivates Clippers into finally caring about getting past the 2nd round.

I still think Clippers stick with roster they have, though I've read they made trade Lou Williams for a draft pick:

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[madmaxmedia]

Meh. There's no way we could match how much the Suns gave up for him, and at the end of the day, he's an injury-prone 35-year-old with one of the worst contracts in the league and a weak playoff resume. I had seen more than enough of CP3 by the last season of Lob City and I'm totally fine with him not coming back.

I suspect the Suns will be joining the Clippers and Rockets in the "Fleeced by Presti" Club.

I 100% agree we weren't getting him, but it's crazy if true that CP3's first choice was here.