2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[Dogen]

What's Robert Swift doing these days?

He is the lsu college basketball Mascot or in jail

Someday they will finish digging through that mountain of pizza boxes in a suburban Seattle home and all will be revealed about ol’ Bob Swift.

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My man!
I want to keep my ticket on the Paul Reed bandwagon though too

IRL it’s a smokescreen to trade up (with all three picks) and take Cole Anthony at 7 with Okongwu on the board...

Gotta admit I’m a bit smitten with the idea of Hayward/picks for Holiday, then sign Baynes in an attempt to get vet help, but if Kong is a possibility I like him as the next add to the young Jay & Jay core.

Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum with OO pulling boards and trailing the break could be a total freight train.

[themoneyteam2]

Do people fall for this every draft? I don't get it. Has there ever, in the entire Ainge administration, once, ever, been a player that was rumored to the Celtics, that they eventually drafted, let alone traded up for? Maybe I'm just saying this because I'd puke if they traded everything for a big, but I can't recall any draft day rumors regarding Ainge as having ever been true.

Well last year the primary target if you believe the reports was Herro and Ainge got sniped by Riley and the heat. Perhaps they don’t want to risk that same scenario happening again this year with OO. Also remember we tried to trade up for Winslow as well. Ainge himself also said they made calls trying to trade up for Robert Williams and that they got lucky he fell in their laps at 27.

I wonder if Ainge is willing to overpay to get his final piece this time to go with Tatum and Brown

But when did those reports come out? Awfully convenient if they come out after the draft. He can say whatever he wants after the draft and there is no way to verify one way of the other.

The Herro rumors came out about 2 weeks before the draft, similar to where we are at right now. It wasn't at all revisionist history lol. Celtics were linked to Herro for awhile

[return2glory]

I’m in on moving up to trade for Onyeka. He has a chance to be really good and the type of player Boston needs. For the Robert Williams fans, Onyeka is on another level. Just look at his footwork. He is polished and talented.

[ddb]

Kira Lewis Jr is another target if Boston can move up. Kids going to be a stud in the league. Great siZe for a PG, lightning quick, good finisher. Shoots it pretty well. Can dish. When looking back at this draft class people are going to lose their minds at how teams passed on KLJ.

[ddb]

I’m in on moving up to trade for Onyeka. He has a chance to be really good and the type of player Boston needs. For the Robert Williams fans, Onyeka is on another level. Just look at his footwork. He is polished and talented.

Well that’s good because Ainge will probably need to include Robert Williams along with picks to have any shot at moving up high enough for Oneyeka.

[captain green]

Kira Lewis Jr is another target if Boston can move up. Kids going to be a stud in the league. Great siZe for a PG, lightning quick, good finisher. Shoots it pretty well. Can dish. When looking back at this draft class people are going to lose their minds at how teams passed on KLJ.

Please no I'll be shocked and appalled

[Jammer]

The Herro rumors came out about 2 weeks before the draft, similar to where we are at right now. It wasn't at all revisionist history lol. Celtics were linked to Herro for awhile

Damn, then Ainge really blew it not moving up last year. About half a second after the Celtics lost the coin flip with Miami for the 13 pick vs. 14 pick, I realized if there were any plans to draft a Kentucky player, that the Riley link to Kentucky would have Miami zeroing in on the same player if that was the direction that the Celtics wanted to go.

I also figured that Erik Spoelstra was sophisticated enough to keep their interest down if they were targeting a Kentucky player, since Miami knew in 2019 that the Celtics had the draft capital to jump to the 11 or 12 spot; and showing interest would make it easier for Ainge to sell management on giving up the 2020 Celtic and Milwaukee picks (along with the 2019 #14) to move up to 2019 #11 or #12.

Romeo Langford is the same height as Tyler Herro, but with a broken shot. Tyler Herro is not only the best free throw shooter in the history of Kentucky basketball, and an excellent 3 point shooter while at Kentucky, but he also had an extremely good weaker hand. Could make shots with either hand. And he's high IQ and boxes out. It's not even close comparing Langford to Herro. It's slam dunk for Herro. And saying Langford was injured his last year of college didn't offset the fact that his shot is broken.

Now Ainge is trying to save face by trying to move up this year, when he clearly should have done it a year ago. That not only would have gotten the Celtics into the Finals, but they might have even won a Championship this year.

Don't expect much success moving up unless they offload someone like Gordon Hayward or Kemba Walker for a pick in the 4 thru 8 range.

[chrisab123]

Celtics need veterans not more picks. If they move up by dealing all of their picks and then rounding out the roster with vets thats one thing. But I would prefer just trading the picks for an established rotation player. Way too many youngsters on this team.

Wiseman is the only one worth a damn to move up for IMO. Highest possibility of impact for a team that desperately needs something different.

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[CelticsLV]

Ainge took into account my opinion that Haliburton and Okongwu are the 2 guys I'm intrigued the most for a possible trade up. When I'm getting that assistant GM offer?

But I doubt any team will trade out of top 10. At least not for our 3 picks. Eventually all these teams fall in love with their potential pick and it becomes hard to part them. They would probably ask for Smart at the very least. Langford, Rob hardly holds any significant value.

[Homerclease]

Ainge took into account my opinion that Haliburton and Okongwu are the 2 guys I'm intrigued the most for a possible trade up. When I'm getting that assistant GM offer?

But I doubt any team will trade out of top 10. At least not for our 3 picks. Eventually all these teams fall in love with their potential pick and it becomes hard to part them. They would probably ask for Smart at the very least. Langford, Rob hardly holds any significant value.

I think the Knicks may be the one team that’s willing to bite, they have holes up and down that roster and need all the picks they can get. This may be their last bite at the apple for awhile in the draft so Ainge might have to overpay to move up if he really wants his guy. Haliburton, OO or Vassell would all be fine choices if we do go that route IMO

[ConstableGeneva]

From Zach Lowe's offseason preview:

"Reports that Boston has explored trading its three first-round picks -- Nos. 14, 26, and 30 -- to move up are accurate, sources say, but not surprising. Teams with that many picks explore everything; Boston has also sniffed around using picks to acquire a solid veteran, sources say. There are few such veterans available in future-for-present deLals with almost the whole league trying to win."

List of teams that may not want to win next season (+ their vets):
• CLE - Love (no thanks), Nance
• DET - Griffin (no thanks), Rose
• NYK - Gibson, Ellington
• ORL - Vucevic, Ross, Fournier, Aminu
• CHA - Batum (no thanks), Zeller

All the teams out West are competitive enough that they might chase for the 7th and 8th seeds via play-in tournament.

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[JHTruth]

I’m in on moving up to trade for Onyeka. He has a chance to be really good and the type of player Boston needs. For the Robert Williams fans, Onyeka is on another level. Just look at his footwork. He is polished and talented.

I like OO, just don't think he's enough of an upgrade over Rob who's already a couple years into his NBA development to trade up for. Bigs always take time. OO will be no different.

[yeleven11]

Kira Lewis Jr is another target if Boston can move up. Kids going to be a stud in the league. Great siZe for a PG, lightning quick, good finisher. Shoots it pretty well. Can dish. When looking back at this draft class people are going to lose their minds at how teams passed on KLJ.

Is this sourced or just your opinion?

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[playa-hater]

I’m in on moving up to trade for Onyeka. He has a chance to be really good and the type of player Boston needs. For the Robert Williams fans, Onyeka is on another level. Just look at his footwork. He is polished and talented.

I like OO, just don't think he's enough of an upgrade over Rob who's already a couple years into his NBA development to trade up for. Bigs always take time. OO will be no different.

THIS ^ is exactly how I feel. again I will repeat my other post. 3 1st RD talents + R Williams for perhaps a major upgrade at center, but more than likely a minor upgrade short term and maybe even long-term.

Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Bam Adebayo, Jokic, Gobert, Siamkim, OG Anoby, etc, etc etc.. so many good/great players/talents can be found mid/late 1st 2nd rd. If it wasn't for Ainge's poor draft history, this wouldn't even be debated.

But before someone can use his track record against my argument, I will state that I will give Ainge ONE MORE CHANCE, before I totally lose faith in him.

4 potential talents > 1

[playa-hater]

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Wow, so many thoughts on this.

Here goes. I am/was a shooter. I also teach/train it. Some things I have learned is that some players are great practice/rhythm shooters but drop off in game situations (me included) due to game/inner confidence/ hand in face etc.. SO beware of fools gold.

BUT for players to at least show that they might be good, getting rhythm at practice at least opens up the possibility of their in game shooting being good.

*If a player has a good sample size in games (at college) and no funky mechanics. Combined with good drill %, chances are he will relay over well into the NBA.

[playa-hater]

so for above, I have liked Woodard before this post, but was concerned about his sample size. This at least tells me he has the potential of developing at a Pro level. His defense is already there.