Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[JLop]

If we assume the cap will be $115MM in 2021/22, these are our options.

A 30% deal for Giannis Antetokounmpo would start at $34.5MM

Miami Heat 2021-22 Salary Cap Table:

Jimmy Butler $36,016,200
Tyler Herro $4,004,280
Edrice Adebayo (Cap Hold) $12,788,730
Duncan Robinson (Cap Hold) $2,122,822
Ryan Anderson (Dead Cap) $5,214,584
KZ Okpala $1,782,621

Kendrick Nunn (Cap Hold) $2,122,822

Andre Iguodala (Team Option) $15,000,000
Chris Silva (Team Option) $1,782,621
Kelly Olynyk (FA) (Cap Hold) $18,285,000

If we keep Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, KZ Okpala and add the salaries of Jimmy Butler and Adebayo, we have a total of $61,929,237. Now, adding Antetokounmpo's $34,500,000 we have a total of $96,429,237. In the end, we have $18,570,763 for any other free agent. However, we could get rid of KZ Okpala, which increases that amount to $20,353,384. If we bring in a player whose salary or cap hold exceeds that amount, he has to sign a year for $20,353,384 (if acquired on a trade), or he has to sign a two-year contract with a salary of $20,353,384 in his first year. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. This also applies to any free agent and will keep Miami flexible to sign Giannis Antetokounmpo in free agency. If Anthony Davis wants to sign with Miami this season, we have enough money and it opens the door to a trade with Milwaukee focused on Adebayo to acquire Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Our options are many and we have a good owner in Micky Arison who is always willing to pay for a good team. We are building a dynasty. The question boils down to, how much is Micky Arison willing to spend?

[DayofMourning]

Trading Bam for Giannis would actually be the most aesthetically pleasing final result for the Heat moving forward. Not saying that's the route I'd go because I'd rather see Bam grow here regardless of his ceiling. However, you've upgraded to a 2 time MVP...

[RonaldSeikaly]

I think a lot of people are trying to add depth, and personally I would rather go the other direction and add 1 quality piece.

I don't want to add 39 YO Milsap + 48 YO Aldridge + 35 YO Wesley Matthews.

I rather have 1 Gallinari.
Or 1 Christian Wood.

We still have KZ to insert into the rotation, maybe Vincent too, and whoever we can get for the Vet Min to fill in holes.

But if we can just salary dump Kelly (personally I like him, But Spo lost faith for some reason) and add either Gallinari Or Christian Wood for a big 1 year deal and keep Dragic, I'd try to do that.

Gallo or Wood next to Bam can take this team to another level. Huge upgrades compared to Crowder.

If the plan is to go for it next year, but without touching 2021-2022 cap space (Which should be the plan IMO) - That's the move - Add a guy that can just blow up in our system in our weakest position (Second Big next to Bam).

Man If Wood keeps playing like he did to end the season, him and Bam front court will DESTROY.
If Gallo plays like he did last couple of seasons, we'll be a top 2 offense no sweat.

Those old guys come cheap, and we’ve had a lot of luck squeezing vets for a couple of productive years. So it’s not exciting, but it’s probably the better play.

We will need some fresh legs though, either vets that largely missed the playoffs or young guys. Our team was beat by exhaustion, and Jimmy will need to heavily load managed, while Goran isn’t likely to be ready at the start of camp. The regular season will be a grind, and we need home court advantage given the likelihood that there isn’t a bubble by that point.

On a side note.w/r to Gallo. I don’t think we would want to play significant minutes with 3 weak defenders. So (if I’m right) Herro, Robinson, Nunn, Goran, and Gallo would be splitting each other’s minutes. So while he is supposedly on the radar, I’m not particularly interested in him unless we end up trading/losing some of our other weak defenders.


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[RexBoyWonder]

I think a lot of people are trying to add depth, and personally I would rather go the other direction and add 1 quality piece.

I don't want to add 39 YO Milsap + 48 YO Aldridge + 35 YO Wesley Matthews.

I rather have 1 Gallinari.
Or 1 Christian Wood.

We still have KZ to insert into the rotation, maybe Vincent too, and whoever we can get for the Vet Min to fill in holes.

But if we can just salary dump Kelly (personally I like him, But Spo lost faith for some reason) and add either Gallinari Or Christian Wood for a big 1 year deal and keep Dragic, I'd try to do that.

Gallo or Wood next to Bam can take this team to another level. Huge upgrades compared to Crowder.

If the plan is to go for it next year, but without touching 2021-2022 cap space (Which should be the plan IMO) - That's the move - Add a guy that can just blow up in our system in our weakest position (Second Big next to Bam).

Man If Wood keeps playing like he did to end the season, him and Bam front court will DESTROY.
If Gallo plays like he did last couple of seasons, we'll be a top 2 offense no sweat.

Those old guys come cheap, and we’ve had a lot of luck squeezing vets for a couple of productive years. So it’s not exciting, but it’s probably the better play.

We will need some fresh legs though, either vets that largely missed the playoffs or young guys. Our team was beat by exhaustion, and Jimmy will need to heavily load managed, while Goran isn’t likely to be ready at the start of camp. The regular season will be a grind, and we need home court advantage given the likelihood that there isn’t a bubble by that point.

On a side note.w/r to Gallo. I don’t think we would want to play significant minutes with 3 weak defenders. So (if I’m right) Herro, Robinson, Nunn, Goran, and Gallo would be splitting each other’s minutes. So while he is supposedly on the radar, I’m not particularly interested in him unless we end up trading/losing some of our other weak defenders.


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I trust this team to find cheap depth without overspending on over the hill vets, you can find bargains to play the 7th-10th rotation player role (Vet minimums, rookies, undrafted, Gleague) but you can't find a better then average starter without spending.

If I just thought about pure basketball upside for next year I would -

1. Let Crowder Walk
2. Trade Kelly + small sweetener (future SRP) for cap space

Sign Christian Wood and Dragic with cap space. (big 1 years deals)

It's a gamble, but I Rather gamble on 1 young big that fits and showed Allstar potential then on multiple old way-past-their-prime vets.

[Seabass777]

What do you guys think about adding Tristan Thompson? How does he fit with us, and how much money do you think he'll command in free agency? 8-10mil a year?

[DayofMourning]

What do you guys think about adding Tristan Thompson? How does he fit with us, and how much money do you think he'll command in free agency? 8-10mil a year?

I'd really rather just add draft picks. We've seen some phenomenal development from our rooks over the past few years. Despite our historical aversion to the draft, we have pretty darn good results developing the young guys. Cost controlled trade assets at minimum.

[Wiltside]

What do you guys think about adding Tristan Thompson? How does he fit with us, and how much money do you think he'll command in free agency? 8-10mil a year?

I'd be fine with TT. He provides some additional size and rebounding, which can be sorely needed. He can't really play with Bam unless the 3pt stroke he is attempting to add is legit. Post-deadline he started shooting the 3 and didn't look too bad, surprisingly.

I'd like him best as a bench big that can come in and play 20-25 minutes a night, but he'd be a solid option for the MLE for mine.

Still want Boogie though. Upside if it worked out too high to ignore.

[Beenie]

Wouldn't mind Jeff Green on the super cheap.

Maybe Mason Plumlee also on the cheap.

[DayofMourning]

Wouldn't mind Jeff Green on the super cheap.

Maybe Mason Plumlee also on the cheap.

After watching more of Mason this year I've come to the conclusion that he's a turd. No thanks. Rather have Meyers.

[Kobewade11]

What do you guys think about adding Tristan Thompson? How does he fit with us, and how much money do you think he'll command in free agency? 8-10mil a year?

I wanted him a couple of years ago but I think Chris Silva is a forgotten guy around here. I think he was injured most of the bubble but he's a high energy big that can rebound, defend the front court and finish at the rim.

[AirP.]

What do you guys think about adding Tristan Thompson? How does he fit with us, and how much money do you think he'll command in free agency? 8-10mil a year?

I wanted him a couple of years ago but I think Chris Silva is a forgotten guy around here. I think he was injured most of the bubble but he's a high energy big that can rebound, defend the front court and finish at the rim.

Chris Silva can't play under control. His personal fouls per 36 minutes is 8.8 which is the highest in the league for players who played for 20+ minutes for the season. He's fine at the end of the bench with the purpose of development but Miami is a team who needs stable players for their rotation to make another run this next season.

[RonaldSeikaly]

What do you guys think about adding Tristan Thompson? How does he fit with us, and how much money do you think he'll command in free agency? 8-10mil a year?

I wanted him a couple of years ago but I think Chris Silva is a forgotten guy around here. I think he was injured most of the bubble but he's a high energy big that can rebound, defend the front court and finish at the rim.

Chris Silva can't play under control. His personal fouls per 36 minutes is 8.8 which is the highest in the league for players who played for 20+ minutes for the season. He's fine at the end of the bench with the purpose of development but Miami is a team who needs stable players for their rotation to make another run this next season.

I’m more optimistic about Kyle Alexander than i am about silva. But assuming KO is ready, and that we’ll sign 1-2 veteran big men...i imagine there is really only space for one of the two.


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[Kobewade11]

Chris Silva can't play under control. His personal fouls per 36 minutes is 8.8 which is the highest in the league for players who played for 20+ minutes for the season. He's fine at the end of the bench with the purpose of development but Miami is a team who needs stable players for their rotation to make another run this next season.

Yea, i dont really care about a bench big picking up fouls

[AirP.]

Chris Silva can't play under control. His personal fouls per 36 minutes is 8.8 which is the highest in the league for players who played for 20+ minutes for the season. He's fine at the end of the bench with the purpose of development but Miami is a team who needs stable players for their rotation to make another run this next season.

Yea, i dont really care about a bench big picking up fouls

But that basically means a team that's wanting to go deep can't use him. Miami has to find their rotation players, maybe a back up or 2 and the rest can be development players. Would have been a possible finals changer having a vet defensive big on the roster.

[Wiltside]

Chris Silva can't play under control. His personal fouls per 36 minutes is 8.8 which is the highest in the league for players who played for 20+ minutes for the season. He's fine at the end of the bench with the purpose of development but Miami is a team who needs stable players for their rotation to make another run this next season.

Yea, i dont really care about a bench big picking up fouls

But that basically means a team that's wanting to go deep can't use him. Miami has to find their rotation players, maybe a back up or 2 and the rest can be development players. Would have been a possible finals changer having a vet defensive big on the roster.

I'm not that high on Silva. He had flashes this year, in the early part of it anyway before he got guaranteed, but feel like he got found out pretty quickly after that. Fouled a ton, is a bit undersized, and had Joel Anthony hands.

I dunno - just not a big fan. Dime a dozen big man IMO.

[twix2500]

Yea, i dont really care about a bench big picking up fouls

But that basically means a team that's wanting to go deep can't use him. Miami has to find their rotation players, maybe a back up or 2 and the rest can be development players. Would have been a possible finals changer having a vet defensive big on the roster.

I'm not that high on Silva. He had flashes this year, in the early part of it anyway before he got guaranteed, but feel like he got found out pretty quickly after that. Fouled a ton, is a bit undersized, and had Joel Anthony hands.

I dunno - just not a big fan. Dime a dozen big man IMO.

I think Silva is a quality role player but the Heat do not need his role. He would be good playing next to a star stretch center like Anthony Towns

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[radikalBaller]

Reinforcement comming without affecting 2021 flexibility:

Noel, Oladipo, Bane or Reed, Mathews...

Dragic - Oladipo
Butler - Herro
Robinson - Mathews
Crowder - Iggie -Bane or Reed
Bam - Noel - Meyers

What do you think of this roster ?

[greg4012]

Trading Bam for Giannis would actually be the most aesthetically pleasing final result for the Heat moving forward. Not saying that's the route I'd go because I'd rather see Bam grow here regardless of his ceiling. However, you've upgraded to a 2 time MVP...

I'd be pretty damn aesthetically pleased watching the best and most versatile defense in the NBA with Bam and Giannis paired up together. I'd also be very pleased watching teams try to stop a Giannis-Bam pick and roll.

I'm fairly confident that Spo and the Heat org can further develop an offense and skillsets of guys like Bam, Giannis, and Jimmy to structure an extremely potent half-court offense to go along with the built-in elite transition offense that comes with having Giannis. Basically, just get each of them shooting corner 3s at a league average rate while further building on what they do well and it works beautifully.

[RexBoyWonder]

Reinforcement comming without affecting 2021 flexibility:

Noel, Oladipo, Bane or Reed, Mathews...

Dragic - Oladipo
Butler - Herro
Robinson - Mathews
Crowder - Iggie -Bane or Reed
Bam - Noel - Meyers

What do you think of this roster ?

Who did you trade for Dipo?

He's not coming off the bench regardless.

I don't really like the balance of this roster, super loaded in the guard/wing rotation and really weak and shallow in the power/bigs rotation.

Butler, Herro, Dipo, Duncan should all average 30+ minutes a game, when does Dragic and Mathews play?

Then you have a really weak PF spot with inconsistent Crowder, Old Iggie, and Bane who is a C,
Noel and Bam can't paly togther either,

And above all - no way we can add and pay all these guys - Bane, Crowder, Dragic, Mathews, Dipo, Myeyers...

[RonaldSeikaly]

This is what I’m imagining based off the latest rumors

SG Herro/Nunn/(defensive guard with whatever money is left)

PG Butler/Dragic/Vincent

SF Robinson/Matthews/Hill (@vet min)

PF Crowder/Okapala/(Likely Milsap if he is willing to sign at .5MLE as rumored)

C Adebayo/Aldridge/2-way (Alexander)

So significant upgrades to our bench, but our starting units will largely be the same other than the continued development of Herro Bam and Robinson.


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